User talk:1boringoldman

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Regarding your move request for Allen Frances
Hello,

I was reading your request about replacing all the information from your version and making it the new version of Allen Frances. That would not necessarily be a true move, since you are proposing that the entire article be replaced with the article draft you have created. I would recommend going through the steps to propose a merge instead; information for this can be found at WP:MERGE. With a merge, the important information from both versions can both be placed on one article. Since doing major edits such as the one you are proposing require consensus to avoid being considered "controversial", that could be your best venue to get what you are requesting completed. Steel1943 (talk) 03:49, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your merge request for Allen Frances
Hello again 1boringoldman,

I must say, you did a pretty good job attempting to get those templates placed correctly on editors' talk page. However, the templates ran across an issue that I myself had to deal with once when trying to place the "merge" templates onto these pages. The easiest way I can put it is: if either one the pages you are merging to/from contains "User" or "Wikipedia" or "Help" ... basically, anything other than nothing, then the template doesn't work as it should.

Also, I was doing a bit of research into the popularity of Allen Frances (page view traffic), and I think I know what your best plan of action would be in this case: I would honestly recommend that you boldly merge User:1boringoldman/sandbox into Allen Frances. It seems like you would have a good feel about where the information you have in the draft you created would best go into the article that is already there. Also, this might be the better option since it might take a while before a verdict can be reached about consensus to have the articles merged together (with this article, I'm predicting that it could take a few months before there is a clear consensus to get enough users to vote.)

I will give you this piece of advice though: if you choose this option, keep in mind this Wikipedia policy: Neutral point of view. In a nutshell, your close affiliation to the subject might cause other users to question your neutrality when writing on this article; essentially, the article needs to be written encyclopedic, avoiding opinions or statements that might sound like an advertisement for the subject. If you can keep those points in mind, you should be okay. Another good reference for information about this is What Wikipedia is not; it also states these points.

If you can keep these points in mind while doing the merge, you should be okay. However, if there are issues, editors will revert any issues they find with the edits. However, I would take it as a learning experience to understand how to get that article written properly. Anyways, best of wishes!!

P.S. If you want to cancel the move or merge requests, you can let me know and I will "deactivate" those requests, if I am available. Steel1943 (talk) 05:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Response regarding Allen Frances
Glad to help! I went ahead and closed the merge proposal and move proposal. Hope all goes well with the article editing!

P.S. You might have seen that I already made one edit to it after the merge. Steel1943 (talk) 06:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Notice for March 31, 2013
Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits, such as the edit you made to Allen Frances, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. However, please know that editors do not own articles and should respect the work of their fellow contributors on Allen Frances. If you create or edit an article, know that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Sorry to have to place this notification on your talk page, given how much we have talked about this article in the past; however, this edit can be considered removal of content without explanation in the edit notice. I read what you stated on the Talk:Allen Frances; however, rather than removing these sections, any external links that are in the main body of the article should be removed instead, if there are truly redundant mentions. Steel1943 (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Problems with your changes to Allen Frances
You state that Allen Frances 'asked me to try to make it more "a statement of issue." ' That is what Biographies of living persons (a policy) says such biographies are not supposed to be. A biography should be accurate, reliably sources, balanced etc. The article as now written gives the impression that Frances has an agenda to push. It's not neutral. Star767 18:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


 * What the bio seems to be saying is that Frances is defined entirely by his opinions on the DSM. All the emphasis on DSM seem like what wikipedia calls WP:Coatrack.


 * Biographies of living persons gives some guidelines that apply to his biography. e.g. if he has an agenda, it needs to be identified (but not gone into detail), and any criticism also noted to avoid undue weight to one point of view.


 * Some examples to give you an idea of a biography in the field of psychology:


 * Elmer Ernest Southard
 * Norman E. Rosenthal
 * Irving Gottesman
 * Marian Breland Bailey


 * Best wishes, Star767 15:28, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hi,

I notice that you are a new editor working on issues that I think are important. Please do not hesitate to drop me a note if you have any questions. -- [ UseTheCommandLine  ~/ talk  ] # _  01:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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