User talk:2.98.36.86

November 2020
Hello, I'm Scorpions13256. Your recent edit(s) to the page ITunes appear to have added incorrect information, so they have been removed for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
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If you hover over tune is literally the archetypal word used. What's more the source cited uses the transcription for tune. 2.98.36.86 (talk) 19:59, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Got your message
I got your message. I reverted your edit because the pronunciation did not make any sense to me. If you read Wikipedia's IPA guide carefully, you will see that only applies to dialects that do not have yod-dropping. British dialects contain yod-dropping, but American dialects do not. Because ITunes is an American thing, it logically follows that we should use the American pronunciation IMO. I'm also pretty sure that's what Wikipedia's Manual of Style says we should do. Plenty of other sources agree with me. Thank you for taking the time to write on my talk page though. I appreciate it. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:42, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I understand your point - and the distribution of yod-dropping in varieties of English - but iTunes, even though it is a piece of software developed by an American company, is used all over the world. The pronunciation given is not noted as being a specifically American one and I don't think it need be: surely the point of using the diaphonemic or archetype-style pronunciation guide with hover-over words is to make the transcription as maximally accessible. Users of the software will pronounce the word's second syllable in the same way as they do the usual word tunes. When looking at the transcription I had change it to an American - or other speaker of English with yod-dropping - will read the hover-over tip as [tuːn] rather than [tjuːn] or [tʃuːn] but somebody without yod-dropping or even yod-coalescence will read it differently. If the specifically American pronunciation is going to be used because this is an American piece of software surely it should be marked explicitly as such. 2.98.36.86 (talk) 20:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Also, a small correction: The transcription /tuːn/ shows yod-dropping whereas /tjuːn/ does not. When you said "British dialects contain yod-dropping, but American dialects do not" I think you must've misspoken because most (if not all) American varieties actually do have yod-dropping (hence no /j/) whereas as most (though not all) British ones do exhibit it. 2.98.36.86 (talk) 21:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops. I did misspeak. I meant to say that American dialects contain yod-dropping. I'll respond to the rest of your reply in a few minutes. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I have been looking at Wikipedia's manual of style for pronunciation, and I have not been able to find any relevant policies or guidelines that could definitively resolve this issue. I am on a pretty nasty medication, so I could have overlooked it. I actually have very little experience in this part of Wikipedia, so I am unsure of how to proceed. If I were you, I'd recommend discussing your concerns on the article's talk page. ITunes is a popular page, so I am sure that someone will respond to you. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think there are only two options. Either list both pronunciations or only include the American version—the article uses American English and MOS:ENGVAR says that the variety of English should be consistent within an article, even though it doesn't say anything about pronunciation ("When an English variety's consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary").—J. M. (talk) 22:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)