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Nonsensical theories
Stop posting your fanfiction about every god being Ninurta and every goddess being the same and also his wife in articles others - not just me, check the edit history - put tons of actual work into. Thanks in advance. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Not every god is Ninurta.
Ninurta was worshipped at some point as the main god of the pantheon. Later he was overshadowed by Amorite deities like Hadad and Babylonian ones such as Marduk. Ishtar is the main goddess of every pantheon that ended up overshadowing also Ninhursag. There are many different equivalents of them. Fanfiction or not I provide sources and provide explanation and connections - fanFICTION means writing things without ANY sort of source to back it up. That I don’t do. You also refused by paragraph on the Nergal page where I addressed how in the myth of Nergal and Ereshkigal Nergal is called “Nergal” and addressed as THEY, and when he goes into the Underworld THEY (Nergal) are called “the gods Erra” by Namtar. Egbert con Weiher wrote a book called “Der babylonische Gott Nergal” and he said that there were TWO gods called “Nergal”, one associated with Mars (which is the usual Nergal everyone knows) and one associated with Mercury who corresponds to Ninurta because in the MUL.APIN it’s read that: “Mercury whose is Ninurta, travels the (same) path the moon travels”. When Marduk became king of the gods in place of Enlil - the “Father-Son” relationship that existed between Enlil and Ninurta was replaced by Marduk and his son Nabu who thus became associated with Mercury. As a consequence since there are two Nergals (Lugal-irra and Meslamtaea) there are also two gods called “Erra”. Nougayrol published some extispicy omens where Lugal-irra is treated as analogous to Erragal. Erragal was a god of storm and flooding and Ninurta was a god of storm and flooding. Since Lugal-irra is Mercury as addressed by tablet K.42 the role of Erragal in the Epic of Gilgamesh also fits the one of Ninurta because Ninurta is a god of flooding and has storm-like attributes and Ninurta is Mercury (Lugal-irra). This is also why Zababa (another form of Ninurta) is called the “Nergal of Kish”, because Ninurta was the other “Nergal” although he wasn’t mainly addressed by that name and they only called him like that in small local cults (like the one of Zababa in Kish with him being called the “Nergal of Kish”). 93.35.64.39 (talk) 20:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Ninurta was never the main god, a wacky theory about Enlil being superimposed over him in Nippur, which most researchers do not support, notwithstanding. He always existed secondarily to his father or other deities, and his biggest boost in popularity happened relatively late in history. You should really look more at cultic reality and less at bold statements that god lists are the ultimate resource to understand everything.
 * Calling Hadad "Amorite" is incorrect. Adad/Hadad was introduced to Mesopotamia by speakers of Akkadian, not Amorite, and was already worshiped before Amorites even entered recorded history both in Mesopotamia and further west in Ebla (not Amorite) and Halab (also not Amorite in the third millennium yet as far as I am aware). Amorites adopted Hadad as their main god because he was already the main god of much of modern Syria, not because he was a uniquely Amorite god.
 * "Equivalent" is a very loose term. Shaushka or Pinikir developed completely separately and only came to be understood as analogous in some capacity with Ishtar (of Uruk) due to contact between Mesopotamians and, respectively, Hurrians or Elamites, but you need to study each deity on their own to understand them properly, this is the approach modern authors like Gary Beckman promote, not generalizations you seem to enjoy. The Ninhursag statement seems off to me. There was no single uniform pantheon in some primordial ur-time, the earliest sources show remarkable diversity already. Where was Ninhursag in, say, Sippar? How does your model explain sites where neither Ninhursag nor any Ishtar or analog was in a major position, like Eshnunna?
 * Zababa was not really a "form of Ninurta" outside of weird esoteric texts like the Mystic Heptads Archive and such. Ninurta has a Sumerian name, Zababa's name is impossible to explain in any known language and possibly comes from a substrate. Zababa had his own cult center, his own circle of deities, and could appear side by side with Ninurta with the two of them treated as separate deities. Even An = Anum has them in completely separate sections and does not equate them. Same goes for Urash, Lugal-Marada, Lugalbanda, let alone Ishtaran or entirely non-Mesopotamian gods. Their histories need to be studied individually.
 * There is only one Nergal in Nergal and Ereshkigal, sorry. Not sure why do you want there to be two. I would also recommend on reputable translations and not on random crap you took from disreputable websites.
 * Also, Erragal is too obscure to be certain about his character, other than the identity of his wife. You are relying too much on a single source - Simons' recent article - which is 90% pure speculation based on a god list which isn't even probably representative since many of the equations make 0 sense, see the discusion in Tugendhaft's article about the same text, Gods on Clay. Ancient Near Eastern Scholarly Practices and the History of Religions, or even in an early edition from Emmanuel Laroche,  La version hourrite de la liste AN de Meskene-Emar. Also, even Simons doesn't propose any relation between Ninurta and Erragal! And Ninurta using weather as a weapon in a myth does not really make him a weather god, same as in the case of Marduk or Tishpak. See Wiggermann's article on the Labbu myth for an explanation.
 * I on some level admire your persistence, but you seem to lack a solid methodology and use sources indiscriminately - books from 1800s inventing myths wholesale (the wacky Adonis vs. Moloch addition you made in the Hadad article), esoteric late commentaries which do not really reflect everyday religion, shoddy websites like gatestobabylon or w/e, vintage misreadings ("Ishnanna," "Adar" - nobody has used these since WWII, probably earlier!) are being mixed with most up to date monographs completely randomly in your additions. Enthusiasm is valuable but you cannot work with enthusiasm alone, you need to understand the standards of both the discipline and of wikipedia before making moves as bold as you constantly try to. HaniwaEnthusiast (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)