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These are not "general discussions" but pointing out inaccuracies in the article. THe forgarty investigation occured BEFORE not after the public disclosure of the location of the Vincennes inside Iranian waters in 1992 on Nightline by Adm Crowe. This is simply a fact. Rogers was explicitly warned that the target was "possible comair" and raised his hand in acknowledgement -- that makes his action quite deliberate and intentional (his motivation is irrelevant). The ICAO report says the warnings sent to the airliner would not have been identifiable except for the last one wich was issued too late -- thus the claim that nobody knows why the Iran Air captain didn't respond to warnings, is not really the mystery it is made out to be. The entire wikipedia article is downplaying and sidelining the most pertinent fact in this entire event, the location of the vincennes inside Iranian waters, a fact that the US Navy LIED ABOUT for 4 years. Mischaracterizes and dismisses the Newsweek expose too. There is absolutely bias on display as well as factual inaccuracies.

Lets continue with the framing of the issue, which claims that hte US Navy was in the persian gulf to "defend shipping" etc -- when in fact they were helping the Kuwaits who were co-belligerents in the war. Furthermore, the USS Vincenens did not come to the defense of any tanker under attack as the Newseeek piece makes clear. AND, Iran would have been legally entitled to stop and search vessels https://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/21/opinion/l-on-iran-s-right-to-stop-and-search-us-ships-015425.html

AND, even if Iran was flying an F14 and even if it was aiming directly at the USS Vincennes, so what? Iran is entitled to fly jets in its own airspace, and is also entitled to attack foreign navy shisps that enter its waters illegally FOR EIGHT MILES and attack patrol craft that posed absolutely no danger to it.

I could go on

So yea, sorry, this is a biased wikipedia artcle and totally inaccurate