User talk:21stCArtists

January 2020
When I started editing Wikipedia many years ago, I was quite surprised by some of Wikipedia's policies, which were not at all as I expected. Since then I have seen very large numbers of new editors acting in perfectly good faith, but falling foul of policies and guidelines which they did not know about. It looks to me as though you may be one of them, so I thought it might be helpful to warn you of a few things.

In the edit summary you gave when creating your sandbox page about Noé Badillo you wrote "He is sure to become one of the foremost artist's of this century I believe, if his work is given proper attention in the media". There are two points there relating to Wikipedia policies, which you need to be aware of. Firstly, the policy on notability requires the subject of an article to have already received substantial coverage in reliable published sources: we do not aim to have articles on the basis of speculation that a subject may receive such coverage in the future. This is further covered in the policy section Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Secondly, it occurred to me that when you wrote "if his work is given proper attention in the media" you may possibly have had in mind that writing about him on Wikipedia would be part of "proper attention in the media", so as to contribute to his becoming well known. If you did have that in mind, then it is imprtant for you to realise that editing with the purpose of publicising a subject and leading to its being well known is forbidden by Wikipedia's policy on promotion.

I have searched for information about Noé Badillo, in the hope of being able to provide sources which would justify having an article about him. Unfortunately, what I found made it look very clear to me that he does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines. That being so, any work put into trying to create an aricle about him is likely to be wasted, as any such article will almost certainly be deleted. If you are right in your belief that he will become recognised as "one of the foremost artists of this century", then an article about him will certainly be appropriate when that has come about, but it will be necessary to wait until then.

I hope some or all of this information may be helpful to you. I am sorry it is so negative in relation to what you have set out to do here, but I think letting you know from the start about probable problems is likely to be more helpful to you than saying nothing and letting you put in a lot of work which is likey to come to nothing. My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start. JBW (talk)

Using the sandbox
Hello, Thank you for your reply. I am not a promoter of this artist's work. I am an art history student that came across his work doing research at my university. I am not sure yet how Wikipedia works, or how to utilize the sandbox. However, I was thinking that there seems to be already in place a section for 21st century artists on a different subpage which already exists. Would that perhaps be a place to add information about this artist? If so, I was unsure as to how to do so from that page.

Also, once the article I submitted is entered, does the data go to other editors that may want to place information about that artist or other information I submit in other places/categories?

Thanks! ;) Bailey