User talk:24.107.182.16/Archive 1

Banner Policy
Hello.

1. I wasn't saying that WP:TPL trumps WP:TOPPOST, I was saying WP:TOPPOST simply doesn't apply here because WikiProject banners are unequivocally not topics. Topics are discussion threads.

So, in the absence of an official guideline on the positioning of banners, the next best guide is WP:TPL which, as described in the blurb at the top, describes a 'communal consensus'.

If you want evidence of this consensus in practice, take a look at any featured article's talk page and you will see the banners at the top; alternatively, ask any reasonably experienced Wikipedian and they will concur with me. '''Placing banners at the top of pages is a completely non-controversial practice. Honest.''' (I'm not shouting, just emphasising...)

2. Also - and this doesn't affect my above argument, but I thought now is a good a time as any to clear things up - you seem to be under some misapprehension regarding the function of WikiProject banners: their addition to a page means that relevant categories are added to the page (in this case, Stub-Class Death articles and Unknown-importance Death articles), which helps members of that WikiProject to find articles within their area of interest that they may be interested in editing/assessing, and also to keep track of them. Furthermore, it is a reminder to editors of the page that they can seek help from members of the WikiProject in question (a 'commercial' in some sense, but aimed at helping editors of the article, not at recruiting new project members).

I hope this explanation is satisfactory. Regards Hadrian89 (talk) 22:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * COURTESY UPDATE:


 * Your explanation is oblique (indirect), questionable, subjective, colored, without official (Guideline / Policy) support, and.....(to be continued). Therefore, our discussion hasn't reached a resolution. But, due to a personal situation I cannot prepare my rebuttal arguments at this time (projected completion is March 21, 2010). This Dispute Resolution case remains open to Editor discussion, possible resolution, and/or the mediation process (WP:DR).


 * Wiki Regards,
 * 24.107.182.16 (talk) 13:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 24.107.182.16 (talk) 13:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Let me try and save you the effort of preparing your rebuttal arguments. I'll repeat the essential part of my argument, which, with respect, I don't think you paid much attention to.


 * The overwhelming community consensus is that banners go at the top. This fact can be easily checked by asking ANY other vaguely experienced editor (try an admin), which I can see you haven't yet done from your user contributions. It can also be easily checked by looking at the talk page of ANY decent article (ALL Featured, A-class and Good articles, and the vast, vast majority of articles below those classes). That you haven't yet realised this fact is, I respectfully suggest, because you seem to be quite new here (very few edits, and distributed among just two articles).


 * So, you can pick over the language of WP:TPG with a fine toothcomb trying to find a part that backs up your theory, but that would be a very poor substitute for actually taking a look around Wikipedia to see how things are done in practice.


 * Regards Hadrian89 (talk) 14:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


 * DISPUTE RESOLVED:
 * With reservations I concede and withdraw from this dispute.


 * WikiPedia website designers (Wikipedia Foundation Inc.) failed to provide an Article Tab titled "Information Banners" as the placement area for editorial banners and general information banners. Thereby, forcing Wiki groups to use the Article Tab titled "Discussion" (Article Talk Page) for placement of banners.


 * This oversight by WikiPedia website designers has forced Wiki Editors to clutter the Article Talk Page (PRIMARY area for article improvement discussion) with unsightly banners of intrusive secondary information, irrelevant information, obsolete information, arbitrary information, etc. On some Article Talk Pages the banners are so cluttered and lengthy that there's even a link stating "Click here to skip to discussion". Oh my gosh!


 * And this is what our first-time visitors to WikiPedia are confronted with, a barage of banner adds when they click the "Discussion" tab. Oh my double-gosh!!!


 * The entire situation is similar to intrusive television commercials.


 * Shame on you Wiki website designers. Maybe one day you'll redeem yourselves and add the Article Tab titled "Information Banners" (commercials go here).


 * It's been interesting Hadrian89. "Thank You" for your WP:EQ.


 * Wiki Regards,
 * 24.107.182.16 (talk) 17:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)