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Asikni (goddess)
Hi mate, saw your work on this article and wanted to give a suggestion. Please avoid british colonial era sources. My advice would be to look for post-independence sources to be on the safe side. Time is precious for all of us and it is quite disheartening to see ones work gone to waste. Good luck. -  MRRaja001  (talk) 15:37, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, but I couldn't find other sources explaining the term Asikni. I will try to add new sources. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 18:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Bhima
Bro your edits are very very bad in the section of Karna kavacha kundala you have written that it can be destroyed with celestial wepaons and in Shiv kavacha which Arjuna had you have written it cannot be destroyed you mad? Karna's kavacha kundala cannot be destroyed and it makes him invincible while shiv kavacha which Arjuna had can be destroyed by celestial wepaons plus the bheem section is full of fake things bhima never defeated karna according to some versions and in some it is said only one time bheema defeated karna and karna also defeated karna 3 times in kurukshetra war. He had mace and a bow which both were destroyed by karna you can read the real Mahabharata.

Conclusion: Please don't change my edits or correct yours or else I will file an complaint against you online. THANKS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.73.32.159 (talk) 13:45, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Let me check. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 14:27, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Which version of mahabharata you read also there's no thing such as the real mahabharata version the real mahabharata written by Ganesh and Composed By Krishna dwaipayana was protected in 400 BCE afterwards there were several versions and sudarshana Chakra can easily break karna's Kavach as such Karna's Kavach is enpowered by Amrit and Lord Vishnu cutted Rahu/ketu's head when he had dranked the Amrit so yeah but this Wikipedia opinions doesn't really matter when editing an airtcle you need to use credible source to support your claim or the thing you think is factual 950CMR (talk) 14:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Bori's and kisari's versions are the only versions that Wikipedia relies on and in kisari's Version of mahabharata bhima defeated karna multiple times 950CMR (talk) 14:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I am not sure what you want to tell me.

I agree that there is no real Mahabharata, but if we take the most popular version, then that's KMG. Many scholars use it for reference. "Ganesha writing Mahabharata" was later addition to the epic. The closest version to the original is the BORI's critical edition. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 15:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Basically what i'm trying to tell is that even in bori's version bhima defeated karna 950CMR (talk) 16:31, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Also the omniverse thingy is added in the Vishvarupa page if you haven't noticed it 950CMR (talk) 16:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

ok, I thought you were the IP. If you have sources, then change. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 16:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Btw i want an anime version of mahabharata based on kmg and bori's version that would be pretty epic we can now see the amazing fights at their full potential 950CMR (talk) 16:34, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

The omniverse thing could be said True and false Vishvarupa is said to be the infinite universe without an end while omniverse is basically an Evolved form of an multiverse the false thing in the Mahabharata Vishvarupa is said to be universal form and omni form can be said to be the same omniversal thingy 950CMR (talk) 16:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I think the omni form should be changed to all form or multi form 950CMR (talk) 16:38, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Gg thanks for changing the omni form btw who added omni form and I'm not talking about the omniversal thing the omni form thing was likely there for years 950CMR (talk) 16:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't know, you can check the history of the page .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 16:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Anyways add the all form or cosmic form since it's all the cannon name for Vishvarupa as stated by arjuna that the Vishvarupa Has everything in him 950CMR (talk) 16:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh yeah also who is the True omnipotent being besides the Supreme Brahman aka parambrahma 950CMR (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hey dude...
Can i add this picture to agni purana page? https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Agni_Puran_-_Gita_Press_Gorakhpur_0000.jpg?markasread=29994772&markasreadwiki=commonswiki 950CMR (talk) 11:16, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Sure! but I would recommend it in the body, not the lead .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 11:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Add it please i have no idea how to add images from Wikipedia commons to Wikipedia 950CMR (talk) 11:19, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok, you can check this : Adding images improves the encyclopedia .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 11:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks 950CMR (talk) 11:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 11:25, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I added cover art image in the matsya Purana is it allowed? Tho because i want to add Garuda Purana's cover art in the Garuda page 950CMR (talk) 13:26, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you help me on this...
Hey man it seems that my cover arts for matsya Garuda and agni purana were deleted it doesn't technically violates the the copyright system since in vishnu purana page the cover art is there so yeah the gita press cover arts are for fair use 950CMR (talk) 15:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

The main problem was the copyright permission. You entered "own work" though it belongs to another company .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 15:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

The Vishnu Purana was there as it was released by company under CCO, which is similar to Public Domain. You must check the copyright of the book from the source — it should be under CCO or Public Domain .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 15:25, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

OK can you re published since i got the permission from gita press gorkhpur? 950CMR (talk) 15:27, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

No use another permission by clicking on "This is not my own work". .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 15:28, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Oh ok but wdym mean by that no use? 950CMR (talk) 15:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant "now" .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 15:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

So it's tagged as a copyrighted image i see 950CMR (talk) 15:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Personal attack
Hi, I view the comment you have just made at Talk Sati Hindu goddess as a personal attack and ask you to remove it. You have accused me of being aggressive. I'm not being aggressive I'm asking you to consider WP:RS. There's no need to attack me.

As regards your edits to the article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sati_%28Hindu_goddess%29&type=revision&diff=999344414&oldid=981284984 I hope all of these are done in a neutral way in regard to WP:RS. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:07, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have checked various versions. Most sources are published by renowned mythologist. If you want to, then please help in copy editing. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 05:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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Do you think that ashwathama is still alive according to authentic versions of the Mahabharata he was only cursed to be alive till 3000 years but millions of people saw him and do you think he will teach me about the celestial weapons if he's still alive? 950CMR (talk) 20:44, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Annapurna
If you believe that this redirect should go to the goddess, that's the equivalent of saying that Annapurna (goddess) should be moved to Annapurna as the Primary topic, so you could make a formal Move Request for that change - but the discussion would also need to be announced at Talk:Annapurna Massif, to involve all interested parties. Alternatively you could argue that there is no primary topic and that Annapurna (disambiguation) should be moved to Annapurna, which again would need discussion. But please don't just go ahead and make a change which would break so many links, without discussion. Pam D  15:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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Ok. I think a discussion should be held soon. According to me, the primary topic of that word is the goddess, but alternatively, it could be redirected to Annapurna (disambiguation). Don't worry about the broken links, I will fix it. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 15:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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Ok, thanks .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 08:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

So...
OK so who might you think win this Vaishnava Astra Sudarshana Chakra the trishula of Mahadeva pashupata/roudra Astra Brahmastra Brahmashira Or Marah Astra? 950CMR (talk) 12:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Narayana Astra* not marah Astra 950CMR (talk) 12:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * For Vaishnavas, it's Narayanastra and for Shaivites, it's the weapon of Mahadeva. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 12:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Technically i'm discussing whom do you think is the strongest weapon according to Krishna in bori critical edition mahabharata it is said that Vaishnava Astra is basically a metapotent weapon that can kill even infinite dimensional beings including indra and other overpowered deities and indra has absolute immortality That means this Astra can even kill an absolute immortal being 950CMR (talk) 12:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I like how when asura gains absolute immortality from brahma or Mahesh That asura simply rekts indra or one shots him lol. 950CMR (talk) 12:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

When a asura * 950CMR (talk) 12:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Since, I am a Vaishnava, I believe in Krishna, but I my favourite is Brahmastra .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 12:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Gaining brahmastra isn't technically that hard but you will definitely need deep mediation to even invoke brahmastra and using gayatri mantra on it the user can reduce brahmastra's destructive capability at will at brahmastra is so powerful that it can even destroy or erase omniverse space time matter itself! But you know regardless of brahmastra's Strength there are more Astras/weapons more powerful than it 950CMR (talk) 12:30, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Btw how powerful is Indrajit and arjuna in power scaling their Strength must be infinite with the trimurti weapons 950CMR (talk) 12:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Also screw this kali yuga Frick you kali demon! 950CMR (talk) 12:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

OK this could be considered a off topic discussion but..
Who would win a battle between arjuna(bori critical edition version) vs Indrajit considering that they're one of the most powerful if not the most powerful warrior in their Era — Preceding unsigned comment added by 950CMR (talk • contribs) 22:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Jan 2021
Yo! Would you like to ever visit Kurkhestra btw and see the actual Battlefield the battlefield's probably radioactive because of using Astras such as brahmastra I saw the images on youtube and the whole Battlefield looks like a wasteland since ya know if Somone uses a brahmastra that place will be a wasteland for 12 years and a lot of brahmastra were used in the terrifying war 950CMR (talk) 19:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

The reason people think that mahabharata is mythology because they have weapons that can destroy infinite number of universes with an blink of an eye and they got ridiculous haxs and abilities you will have to understand that people in Dwapara yuga had divine powers that is way beyond our current modern science to explain claiming that science is absolute knowledge is completely baseless 950CMR (talk) 19:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Dwapara Yuga technology>Current Kali Yuga Technology 950CMR (talk) 19:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

According to me, Kurukshetra War was real, but with time, people added more glorifications. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 05:57, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

If it wasn't real then why tf there would be so much Archeological evidences? It's like saying the moon does not exist the earth is flat and science is fake 950CMR (talk) 10:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Serious discussion.. For once
Hey dude i cannot find anything in the critical edition of the Mahabharata that suggests karna had rudra/roudra Astra in the armour section in the Hindu mythological objects there are seems to have some interpolations can you remove it? 950CMR (talk) 12:57, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Karna fanboys karna fanboys everywhere 950CMR (talk) 13:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

They need to read the most authentic version of the Mahabharata by bori instead of reading jaya and watching suryaputra karn 950CMR (talk) 13:05, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

And also arjuna broke Duryodhana's kavacha which was way more powerful than Surya deva's kavacha Duryodhana's kavacha is the one Lord Vishnu Lord Shiva And indradev wears 950CMR (talk) 13:08, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Most of the airtcles about on mahabharata are on pretty poor shape not gonna lie since people can't provide that much source since bori critical edition is not free and google books doesn't gives you that much of a preview 950CMR (talk) 13:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Some dude is about to say YoUR SO callEd borI doEsnt HaVe Special Privileges in Wikipedia 950CMR (talk) 13:13, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Who tf says that you need special privileges to become a reliable source like that is way beyond the concept of stupidity 950CMR (talk) 13:15, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't care KMG or BORI, the most popular version used by scholars is most preferred (So yes, KMG is more used here, but there is no problem adding BORI veiws). If you look at the Karna article, it's main source is The Sanskrit Hero: Karṇa by Kevin McGrath. It provides various versions and veiws on Karna. You can check about the Rudra bow there. If you can see Satyavati, which is a WP:good article. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 13:55, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Direct translations are discouraged and WP:secondary sources (or Scholarly piece on a topic) is most preferred. You may find various translation as the ref because there is a lack of secondary sources on Mbh character. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 13:57, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


 * You can also contact a Wikipedian named User:Ms Sarah Welch. She has significantly contributed to the Karna article, you can ask her about Rudrastra. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 14:05, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

What about gita press oh wait it's a hindi translation 950CMR (talk) 14:26, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Also isn't pashupata and roudra Astra are the same thing according to bori critical edition? 950CMR (talk) 15:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

245CMR what does the scouter say about Arjuna's power level? 950CMR (talk) 15:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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Krishna
i think the info box title like avatar_birth and avatar_end are more true, suitable and 'neutral for main deities in hinduism' like rama and Krishna instead of born and died which are used for mortals. as this article central focus is Krishna as a deity instead of krishna as a historical person. i want use proper in the line where its mentioned that ramdev is pir is an incarnation of krishna to something 'like there are lot of personalties throughout history who are considered by their followers to be an incarnation of divine such as ramdev pir.' as its sourced from news article. needs consensus as my edits are getting reverted.

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Come to the talk page of Krishna .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 16:48, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

that person has got me blocked indefinitely. disappointed! it's, he only who is doing vandalism by squarely reverting edits to have his version and is continuously reverting even if given unanimous evidence from primary sources and secondary sources. Dm51c (talk) 08:53, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I did not get you blocked, your own actions did. I warned you several times before this was done, also on your talk page. JRDkg (talk) 12:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

are you not able to edit the talk page? .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 09:12, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Welp to be honest Krishna didn't died and died at the same bruh I can't really die since my soul will never die and i will die since my body will die nearly every avatar had to die like a human expect for parshurama Narasimha matsya vamana varhara 950CMR (talk) 17:42, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't give a shizz about your opinions they only care about reliable sources 950CMR (talk) 17:43, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Just read the authentic sources instead of relying on Wikipedia tend to give the knowledge that is needed for the user that is seeing for the first time for advanced knowledge you will have to check authentic books like critical edition by bori English translation by kisari Mohan Ganguli Hindi translation by Gita Press Gorakhpur etc. 950CMR (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

^^i have read tons of authentic sources like Gita,many bhasyas, Mahabharata, Bhagavatam and research article and sources. i have already provided one evidence that not only on all Vaishnavism but also advaita and other traditions have a different opinion of what is avatar birth or death and normal human. Shankara bhasya on Bhagavata gita is ten times more representative than historical bori in terms of what is official Hinduism belief. bori tries to remove supernatural elements from Mahabharata, it may be more historical textual analysis, but its not a de facto belief of what is considered of Hinduism. bori also removes gita on the claim that its later added. i am not arguing against the research claim of bori, but clearly, thats not what official Hinduism belief, official is what is the average of all important sunsects/traditions have to say on this opinion and my proposed changed is more matching with that i belief, i have also added many secondary sources, to substantiate what primary sources Gita and all sects of Hinduism say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dm51c (talk • contribs) 18:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Welp let me tell ya Wikipedia doesn't that kind of source Wikipedia is more of a bori source Krishna Himself Says That he is unborn infinite omnipotent immortal Boundless above death life idea science logic idea any material and spiritual things 950CMR (talk) 18:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu#:~:text=Vishnu%20is%20one%20of%20the%20members%20in%20the%20trimurti%20in,Kali%20Yuga%20to%20destroy%20evil. If you want to add these kinds of things then go to simple Wikipedia and quora is way better than Wikipedia btw so would reccomend to help quora more than Wikipedia 950CMR (talk) 18:52, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

i didn't get what you said. as for official consensus, just read the commenatry of gita from 4.4 to 4.9, from any sects of hinduism. in advaita, from shankracharya, ramanuja, madwa, gaudia, Madhusudan, Sridhara, abhinav-gupta, ramakrishna mission. so saying that a major deity is born and died is denigrating and misrepresenting of what is official belief of Hinduism. as i haved added one source which says related to that that avtarar is diifernt from human, this is a near-unanimous hindu position.just like in advaita article world is mentioned as an illusion which is incoorect buts its mithya, both have important difference and correct terms should be used when presenting terms. bori also claims that gita is later added, should i removed it also,arya samaj says that krisha is maha-purush, jain sources says that vasudeva is one of the tirthankar, but clearly this would be unsuitable for it as the central thrust is of a deity of a hinduism. when all other things are mentioned, why on changing this someone have a problem, when its cleary given evidence is beyond me. btw what is the Vishnu artice. is its some new wikedpedia? Dm51c (talk) 19:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

No see here Simple Wikipedia 950CMR (talk) 19:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Also when you search vishnu in Google simple Wikipedia comes first so I didn't expected you to be not knowing that 950CMR (talk) 19:32, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Krishna article consensus
Hi, you are requested to give your view on the discussion opened by Dm51c because the user seems adamant about removing Krishna's birth and death parameters with "avatar_start and avatar_end". I would appreciate if you try to give your view on the talk page because the user is continuously removing credible sources to prove his point. Thank you. JRDkg (talk) 17:49, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Suru but I will add my views tomorrow .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 18:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)


 * @245CMR Sure, whenever you get time. JRDkg (talk) 18:18, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Please try to give your views. JRDkg (talk) 11:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Done ✅ .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 11:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help Greatly appreciated! JRDkg (talk) 12:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

A another off topic discussion....
Which version is more viewed this Wikipedia's version of Vishnu or simple's Wikipedia's since when you search vishnu in Wikipedia according to my Google the first result comes from the simple Wikipedia just wanted to ask this because of my curiosity 950CMR (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Google * 950CMR (talk) 17:51, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia = est. 86 thousand
 * Simple Wikipedia = est. 3 thousand .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 03:24, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

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Pictures for infobox on Hinduism article
Can you please replace Trimurti image with a more good quality image of any deity or any other topic which you find better captures essence of Hinduism? Thanks. JRDkg (talk) 17:04, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm finding one, will change soon .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 17:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Great! JRDkg (talk) 17:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You!
Thank you very much, this made my day :). .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 14:50, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

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Regarding Hanuman page
Hi 245CMR, Why don't you discuss before removing sourced content. Add another point of view to the existing points of view to make the article more balanced rather than removing like this. This is not a good gesture. -  MRRaja001  (talk) 13:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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Vishvakarman
May I rely upon your opinion on the wholesale removal of large portions of this article by user Chariotrider555? The following link will take you to the the relevant discussion. 48Pills (talk) 19:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello 245CMR
Hello 245CMR,

We are from Archeology department working on many hindu texts. I am a free lancer writer and alos a yajurveda brahmin. Before making our edits undo. please make sure you wait for adding references. its becoming too harsh and sorry to say this, "You are behaving extremely". You are the not the sole owner of the hindusim on wikipedia, take some break bro and have some ethics before you undo the changes, seems you only respect north indian believes, wikipedia is all about collection of truths and some mythological myths. please not be too harsh while removing content. We get content through many universities. So please stay calm. As the painting is not free, it's under the government. Please let us know how can you use the painting further?.

As per Wikipedia policies, there is no need to mention whether you are from gov or not. Please add the sources but please stay away from blogs or non reliable websites, see WP:RS, please try to find the sources soon or any other Wiki administrator will revert your edits on the basis of WP: Vandalism. Third you need the source confirming that the image of the goddess is not in copyright. See, WP: copyright. .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 13:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

You are risking a block, due to Ganga in Hinduism
Hello 245CMR. Please see the complaint about you at WP:AN3. Since both you and the other party have reverted way past WP:3RR it seems likely that both of you will be blocked for edit warring. This is regrettable since it seems you have experience here and have made many contributions. There may still be time for you to respond at WP:AN3 and promise to make no more edits at Ganga in Hinduism unless you get a prior consensus on the talk page. This might be enough to avoid a block. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 03:35, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

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What happened?
Huh what happened? It seems you're going through a controversy over ganga on Hinduism I would like suggest you to join quora instead of Wikipedia 950CMR (talk) 14:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit warring at Ganga in Hinduism
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I accept my mistakes, but I want to tell the other user is claiming that the current image of Ganga in Hinduism is owned by Bengal government. However according PD India or PD Old, it is in public domain as it was created in 19th century (ie 1800s).

The other user has also used non English non reliable sources.

I am very sorry, Regards, .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 17:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Please convey this message so that he is not in confusion .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 17:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

And also I have added nothing unsourced in the article Vishvakarman, opposite to what he claims .💠 245CMR 💠. •👥📜 17:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I had proposed a move request at talk:Mahadeva, before the discussion is closed in haste, can I inform other users to share their opinions there on the article.(by pinging them on this user talk page)
 * No, you should only be using your talk page for unblock requests until the block expires. EdJohnston (talk) 19:19, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

AAQ
Hii 245CMR, I need a small help as I went through your user page and really like your way of representation of Service Award section. However, When I created the same on my user page I couldn't kept Service Award section apart from other bits like Autoconfirmed rights status, cricket fan hobbies etc and it all merge in 1 long section. Can you please make a template for me in which i can keep a seprarte box for service awards (with Pink Colour) & other box for other things (like Account status,edit count,cricket fan etc). Will be thankful, If you provide a written template in these dicussion.Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 16:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure! I will inform you when I am free. Right now, I am having dinner. . 245CMR . •👥📜 17:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Please do it soon. Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 18:02, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Please see these points: Use two userboxtop and userboxend. Eg '''

Hello .......

Service awards

''' This would look like this:

Hello .......

Service awards

. 245CMR . •👥📜 15:15, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Just one last question, How to put Novice Editor and Burba tag horizontally right now it is arranged vertically my user page. Please fix this on my user page.Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 16:11, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much...I did that using table, they are bit complicated to understand. . 245CMR . •👥📜 16:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Done ✅, you can further explore more using more templates, especially  . 245CMR . •👥📜 16:26, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Indeed these templates are very tricky to use peculiarly for new editors. Anyway, Thanks a lot again.Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 16:30, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Welcome :) . 245CMR . •👥📜 17:43, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Jagannath
Hi, I saw you edit in that page so. It is regarding this edit, which looks heavily POV pushed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it got taken care of. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:48, 7 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for your concern . 245CMR . •👥📜 12:19, 7 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome, perhaps we should keep an eye. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks, same to you . 245CMR . •👥📜 09:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

A Question about Mahbharat
Hii 245CMR, Since you are fond of Mahbharata a lot i just want to ask you a question about Karna and Duryodhan friendship although almost source indicates that they were very good freinds. However some modern TV Shows most recent being Star plus Mahbharat shows their relation in a bad taste where Duryodhan cursed Karna for betraying him though its not in any text further more authentic BR Chopra Mahbharat too didn't mention that. Was their friendship true ??? And more importantly can we start a new section about inaccuracies in 2013 Mahbharat since it was full of Lies and Over the Top Glorification of Karna ??? Please answer.Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 16:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * All secondary media are not accurate, even the BR Chopra one. As per Karna Parva Ch 92 to 94, Duryodhana was so grief-stricken that he couldn't speak more than Karna (Yes they were very good friends). I think that section is not required as there would be lack of sources.  . 245CMR . •👥📜 15:03, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello - Need to discuss
Hi,

I needed to discuss a few things with you. First, it is regarding the Swayamvar part of Draupadi and Karna wiki pages, and then the Panchakanya part to be added to the former which you had requested long back. My apologies...I was completely off Wiki for the past couple of months and hence couldn't contribute much.

1. Some months back, somebody added this line to the marriage part of Draupadi wiki page - "Yet other versions state that he managed to string the bow but one side of the bow hit the side of his head. Injured and humiliated, he was forced to forfeit."

I checked the Sanskrit sources...this statement is not true as this incident does not occur in the Sanskrit canon Mahabharata. Maybe some later retelling by later author has this, but not Vyasa's Mahabharata. Sanskrit Mbh has only 2 variants. Hence we need to remove this line.

Additionally, I saw that a user has modified the Swayamvar section of Karna wiki page and copied the part from Draupadi wiki page. We need to remove this line from there as well.

2. I am glad that the Swayamvar section of Karna wiki page has been made more neutral with both variants mentioned since there have been fights about it. In fact I was thinking of making similar changes there too but didnt have access.

However, the note from Kevin Mcgrath's book should be retained in my opinion as it provides a critical information which is not known to the wider audience. We can invite the editor in this discussion, and if needed, you may provide him the link to our previous Swayamvar related discussion in your talk page we had before for more clarity.

Once we address this, we can talk about adding Panchakanya in Draupadi's talk page.

Thanks (Panchalidraupadi (talk) 18:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC))

Hi, I agree with your concerns regarding this articles although let me clear you some key points here that I didn't copied that content on Karna article from Draupadi page its very obvious that there are clear contradictions about the event so to maintain a neutral point of view I added all versions about the event. I agree with you that last version doesn't seems that much convincing to me either, Please give your inputs soon, with a discussion We can remove that bit in both articles.


 * I quoted scholar Alf Hiltebeitel in Karn article unlike Draupadi one that too however mentioned only two possible versions.


 * What you need to know is that Orginal Vyasa Mbh no longer exists, Do you really think so that something written centuries ago still exist ??? Never.....With so many Islamic Invasions nearly all versions of old epics have been destroyed. We no longer have original Mbh composed by sage Vyasa. The earliest available copy of Mbh is of BORI version which was composed in 17th century way after the event.


 * Many Mahbharata related articles need a look like article of Bhima which consists of puffery, one-sided wording, wrong informations and omits key points like his defeat by Karna during battle and many other.


 * I removed footnotes in the article of Karn because the content which was in footnotes earlier has already been added to main article, Mostly readers ignores footnotes too, as we already mentioned all possible versions don't think footnotes are required for the same. If you feels so strongly about footnotes feels free to add them back. Best. Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 02:46, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello,

Thanks for responding...I am glad you joined in, as I was about to include you in the discussion. :)

Yes, I am aware of BORI. BORI and Swayamvar have been my topic of research for years now. In fact, the footnotes are from notes of Vishnu Sukthankar who was the General Editor of BORI. Few points: 1. I support your views on neutrality, and agree that both variants should be included. Only the extra line needs to be removed from both Draupadi and Karna.

2. The part you added about two variants is not written in Alf Hiltebetel's book. Actually, I wrote those lines on Draupadi's page a few years back after reading up on this topic. Not sure how Hiltebetel's name got attached to it. They are from Prolegomena by Vishnu Sukthankar and "Interpolations in the Mahabharata" by M.A. Mehendale. :)

3. I would personally prefer the footnote as it speaks of a critical info not known to wider audience. In fact, I wish to add that in Draupadi page too.

Currently, I am travelling...so will connect with you in the evening. Just a few changes will do...otherwise you are doing a good job! Keep it up!

(Panchalidraupadi (talk) 02:59, 18 April 2021 (UTC))


 * If you feels so strongly about adding footnotes, I don't see an issue in doing so.
 * I too supports removing the extra line.Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 03:32, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. :) I have read two books of Hilbetel on Draupadi, and he never speaks of Swayamavar. His area of research is primarily folk culture around Mahabharata...but I will check if he has any mention of Swayamvar in any other books or not.

1. I dont have access to edit Karna page. So I would request you to add back the footnote.

2. Please remove this line from both Karna and Draupadi page. As reason you can cite that the Sanskrit Mahabharata including critical edition do not mention this. "Yet other versions state that he managed to string the bow but one side of the bow hit the side of his head. Injured and humiliated, he was forced to forfeit."

Thanks again! (Panchalidraupadi (talk) 03:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC))

Please check above. Panchalidraupadi (talk) 03:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Panchalidraupadi (talk) 03:42, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I readded footnotes in Karna article and removed that last lines which does not seems correct to me either.
 * Should We do same to Draupadi article??Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 03:59, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Please remove that extra line from Draupadi page. Panchalidraupadi (talk) 04:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I did it at Draupadi page too although the article is semi-protected you can edit that yourself unlike Karna article where only Extended-confirmed users can edit due to persistent vandalism. You are only 100 odd edits away from becoming Extended-confirmed user also.
 * Anyway as you know more about BORI edition, What is a consensus among them in this regard ? Did Karn failed or the account of being rejected as suta is correct ???
 * Also, Isn't Karn's character is way too glorified in popular culture especially the recent one in Star Plus Mahbharat ??? Although BR Chopra Mbh didn't glorified him that much, Please answer both. Best.Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 04:13, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Karna is exceedingly glorified in popular culture bcoz in medieval period, various later authors wrote literature on the epic glorifying and sympathizing with him bcoz of the caste angle.

BORI's consensus is Karna failed. It is a long topic, but to tell you in short, of the huge number of manuscripts gathered by BORI to create the critical edition, all mention failure. Only few mention rejection and these few manuscripts are much newer in origin.

Interesting thing is, the ones which mention rejection (like the K.M. Ganguli translation) also mention Karna's name in the list of warriors who failed in the subsequent passages. Which goes to show that the rejection sequence was added later by recent editors who forgot to delete Karna's name in the later passages. Hence BORI scholars conclusively said that in older and max. versions, Karna failed.

There are many arguments on this issue. Naturally, Karna's admirers refuse to agree with this, and choose to stick to the version show by TV serials. They come up with weird reasoning which I find laughable to be honest as their lack of knowledge in Sanskrit and Textual Criticism is evident. Even some scholars who dismiss BORI clearly have not understood the entire process of the making of the critical edition.

Hope that helps. :) Panchalidraupadi (talk) 04:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you as far as I read is indeed the same about his failure in event.

As far as depiction In popular culture is concerned, I feels that his depiction in B.R Chopra Mahabharata is still better than many of recent depictions of him especially Star Plus Mahabharata, Isn't it ??

The Series also ruined his friendship with Duryodhana where it presents that Duryodhan cursed him When he died, In reality Duryodhana broke down badly at time Karn's demise. Doesn't he ? Holy Contributor 92 (talk) 06:23, 18 April 2021 (UTC)



BR Chopra based their depiction of Karna on Mrityunjay by Shivaji Sawant, so there too glorification had happened. But yes, it was still more nuanced than Star Plus' Karna.

Duryodhana never cursed Karna. Such scenes were added to make Karna look more sympathetic. Duryodhana for all his flaws, was a great friend and had broken down after Karna's death. Panchalidraupadi (talk) 07:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry Panchalidraupadi, I was ill and couldn't logged in. It's great that Holy Contributor 92 has already solved the problem. I am once again very impressed by your knowledge of Mbh. From which source did you get this? Regards, . 245CMR . •👥📜 16:11, 22 April 2021 (UTC) Stay safe!


 * No issues, take care of your health. :)


 * I got this info from a series of books, mainly "Critical Studies in the Mahabharata" by V.S. Sukthankar.

(Panchalidraupadi (talk) 17:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC))

Thanks and stay safe . 245CMR . •👥📜 07:44, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

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Hello Bro...Thank you for contributing to wikipedia but bro may I ask you why you removed by edits on Ganapathi's page bro...may I know? Captain Ben01 (talk) 03:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * One name is preferred on top of infobox, you may add Ganapati in the other name section. Also most sources use "V" instead of "W". . 245CMR . •👥📜 03:40, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Revert my edits
I have used most authentic sources in my edit on hinduism please dont remove it RamTripathi33 (talk) 14:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Also people dont generally go to those articles to know hinduism briefly. So it is better fot the readers to get it here. RamTripathi33 (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

See my message at Talk:Hinduism . 245CMR . •👥📜 15:00, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

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