User talk:2600:1700:4790:C890:E1E1:1E7B:C525:260A

June 2023
Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Tina Knowles. name changes need references, particularly changes that conflict with existing ones supporting the current name Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)


 * This was not a controversial change. Excluding the linked ghostarchive Instagram post by Mrs. Lawson, Beyincé/Beyince was said to be her maternal family’s maiden name in several videos and interviews by Beyoncé. Changing Mrs. Lawson’s maiden name back to Beyonce supports the clerical error made on her birth certificate. While legally accurate, it was still an error made by the clerks at that time. I would suggest protecting Mrs. Lawson’s page to avoid further edits by others, as there is an online history of Beyincé and Beyince being credited as her maiden name. Furthermore, citing the Texas law for accents would call into question the removal of Beyoncé’s accent on her Wikipedia page. While it is removed from her born and early life sections, other sections would need to exclude the accent unless a citation for a legal name change was appropriately linked - the current one is broken. NorthernWiki (talk) 17:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * We are taking her own words as referenced in the article as being authoritative. It is controversial as people don't accept what she says and keep trying to "correct" it in the article basically saying that she herself is wrong about her own name. It started as a clerical error but was accepted by her and her family and became her name. Also name on birth certificate can be overridden by common usage by the person involved and common usage as stated by an article subject is what Wikipedia generally uses for names per WP:COMMONNAME. They added the accent back but didn't otherwise change the spelling from the birth certificate. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:08, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also see existing discussion on article talk page. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand that, however, Mrs. Lawson and Beyoncé cited her maiden name as Beyince dating back to the early 2000s at minimum. While it is her personal choice to list it as Beyonce, it can be interpreted as a change made by someone in bad faith, especially since the page is unprotected. Again, I would suggest either protecting the page if you have the authority or inserting a second line stating “formerly known as Beyince.” Something to that effect would let casual readers know that this was a prior named used, particularly those who have heard it as such.
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/fashion/tina-knowles-lawson-beyonce-solange-matriarch.html NorthernWiki (talk) 00:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * According to Lawson, her maiden name was always spelled the way she stated in her instagram message. Confusion is both ways sound exactly the same when pronounced. She is basically saying all the past info is wrong. Some people incorrectly knew her by her parents last name, but she herself never did. This is covered in the article. She never had a former name spelled Beyincė, according to her, so that does not go in the intro as it would be wrong. The article doesn't need to be protected. This shows up periodically but not often enough for a protect. Most people who want to make the change read the article where this is explained and understand why it is spelled the way it is in the lead and infobox. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2023 (UTC)