User talk:2601:245:8100:1B45:59A6:1E7C:371B:8AB4

February 2023
Hello, I'm Philipnelson99. I wanted to let you know that one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Northwestern Steel and Wire—has been undone because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thank you. Philipnelson99 (talk) 21:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Mr. Nelson, the article I wrote on Northwestern Steel and Wire was not promotional, since Northwestern Steel and Wire went out of business back in 2001. At the behest of the Dillon family, this article was written as a tribute to Northwestern Steel and to set the record straight. Other companies took credit for what Northwestern had already done years before they did. A former consultant to NSW, I helped to write the history of the Dillon Family and NSW. This is as close as we have been able to come to getting the history out there so that people know what NSW accomplished in the steel industry. For the sake of NSW's legacy, it would be very much appreciated if you would not keep revising our update.
 * Please advise. RD (Bob) Cecil 2601:245:8100:1B45:59A6:1E7C:371B:8AB4 (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia. — Manti  core  21:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Sir, the article I wrote on Northwestern Steel and Wire was not promotional, since Northwestern Steel and Wire went out of business back in 2001. At the behest of the Dillon family, this article was written as a tribute to Northwestern Steel and to set the record straight. Other companies took credit for what Northwestern had already done years before they did. A former consultant to NSW, I helped to write the history of the Dillon Family and NSW. This is as close as we have been able to come to getting the history out there so that people know what NSW accomplished in the steel industry. For the sake of NSW's legacy, it would be very much appreciated if you would not keep revising our update.Please advise. RD (Bob) Cecil 2601:245:8100:1B45:59A6:1E7C:371B:8AB4 (talk) 21:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC) 2601:245:8100:1B45:59A6:1E7C:371B:8AB4 (talk) 21:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

 Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks for edit warring. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * If this is a shared IP address and you are an uninvolved editor with a registered account, you may continue to edit by logging in.

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I am not happy with the way you have been treated. I think the editors who posted to you above should have made more of an effort to explain to you what the problems with your editing were thought to be. Throwing an accusation of vandalism, as did, was not helpful, because I see no reason at all to suppose you were doing anything other than acting in good faith, but without knowing enough about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Almost all of us, when we start editing, know little or nothing about those policies and guidelines, and nobody can be blamed for making mistakes at first. I also think that it was questionable to block you from editing for "edit warring", without first having made any attempt to explain what that means and asking you not to do so, as has done.

Here are some notes which I hope may help to clarify for you some matters relating to your editing. I hope they may be of some help to you. JBW (talk) 22:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) Since you have a personal connection to the subject, you should not be editing the article, for reasons explained at Conflict of interest.
 * 2) Editing "as a tribute to Northwestern Steel", for the purpose of "getting the history out there so that people know what NSW accomplished in the steel industry", i.e. to promote the public image of the company, is not permitted by Wikipedia's policy on promotional editing. Your comment about your post not being promotional "since Northwestern Steel and Wire went out of business back in 2001" suggests that you are making the mistake of assuming that Wikipedia's policy against promotional editing applies only to promotion for commercial purposes, but it applies to any kind of promotional editing
 * 3) The changes you have made to the article have resulted in its not being anywhere near in the style of a Wikipedia article.
 * 4) It has been suggested that much of what you have posted has been copied from another web site. I don't know whether that is true, but if it is then you should be aware of the following. It is almost never suitable to copy content from another web site to Wikipedia, for more than one reason, the most important being copyright. When you post anything to Wikipedia you release it for anyone in the world to reuse it, either unchanged or modified in any way whatever, subject to attribution to Wikipedia. It is very rare that the owner of a web site licenses content for such very free reuse, and in those few occasions when they do so, we require proof of the fact. We don't assume that content is freely licensed on the unsubstantiated say so of just anyone who comes along and creates a Wikipedia account.
 * 5) If you find yourself in disagreement with one or more other editors about the content of an article, don't just keep reverting to your preferred version, but instead be willing to discuss the issues involved, with a view to trying to reach agreement. If we allowed any editor to just keep on restoring their preferred version of an article indefinitely, the result would be that the most stubborn editor would always eventually eventually get their way, which would not be a good way of resolving disagreements.
 * 6) Your statement "it would be very much appreciated if you would not keep revising our update" suggests that you have not understood the nature of Wikipedia. Anything that you post you donate t Wikipedia, and it is liable to change or removal by other editors, and nobody has a right to have their personally preferred version of an article protected or maintained, as though they owned it.
 * Thank you very much,.
 * JBW is correct, this was suboptimal. For me personally, it was an easy way to stop the disruptive editing while leaving any explanations to those who reverted the edits and objected to them. If the issues described above are understood and there's no reason to believe further edit warring will occur, there will also be no reason to keep up the block.
 * Best regards, ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)