User talk:2601:246:5581:8D00:7164:5410:E68:7FC7

January 2022
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Please note that the YouTube interview you love referring to has multiple issues. First, it consists of a 90-year-old stating that his parents were from Bulgaria, not that they were Bulgarian. This man is unaware of the village from which they emigrated and does not even know his mother's maiden name. But above all we do not consider this a reliable source. Other sources describe the brothers who invented Cincinnati Chili as Macedonian, removing this content is considered vandalism. -- Local hero talk 04:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

1. This is a primary source. 2. Provide me a source in which other family members claim they are Macedonian. 3. How do we know whoever wrote the other sources has correct information? 4. This 90 year old just debunked your Macedonian theory. 5. If he said he is Macedonian would you consider him as a source? 6. Family comes from the region of Macedonia and not from the Kingdom of Bulgaria, yet, their ethnic Bulgarian identity is so strong that when the interviewer tries to steer Joe towards Macedonia he quickly cut that off.


 * Please see WP:PRIMARY and WP:RSPYT. We do not need sources about family members claiming ethnic identity, we use reliable sources. And yes, even if the old man said they were Macedonian, this would still not be considered a usable source. -- Local hero talk 04:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

So, the son of the man who created the dish is not a reliable source, but some article written by someone who most likely never met then and only knew that they are from the geographical region of Macedonia and that is why incorrectly calling them Macedonians is a reliable source?

So, it does not matter how the family identifies ethnically. What matters is how others identify them?


 * Please see WP:3RR; you have made multiple reverts within a 24-hour period and could be blocked from editing if you continue to do so. Yes, the video is not a usable source. And again, since you seem to think it supports your viewpoint, the man in the video states that they were from Bulgaria (factually incorrect) but does not state they were Bulgarian. Further, he cannot name their village of origin nor his mother's maiden name. Even if this video could be used, one would have to question how much this man knew of his roots.
 * To your last question, if we had some sort of text written by the creators in which they self-identify, I'm sure that would be taken into account. -- Local hero talk 05:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Then update the article to indicate that they are Macedonians from Bulgaria. I’ll live with that. :)

For you it would be best if he had died quietly. Unfortunately for you, he is a US veteran and that is the sole reason for the interview. This man was born 90 years ago in the United States of America. I do not know how offer their village was discussed at home. By the interview it appears he was raised all American without constant reminiscent of the old county. His mind was sharp as he did recall details of his time in the army. Time he actually lived in over half a century ago.


 * Please stop with the nonsense insinuation that I would want him to "die quietly" just to prevent a Wikipedia edit conflict. As an American myself I can only be grateful for his service and I hope he's still alive today. It would have been nice if his parents had raised him to be a bit more familiar with his heritage so he could enjoy the pointless ethnic debates like the one you and I are partaking in.
 * As for your proposed edit (not sure if serious), no. Again, we go based on reliable sources. So if we have some stating he was Macedonian and some stating he was Bulgarian, we should simply state both in the article with appropriate sourcing. -- Local hero talk 05:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I provided 2 sources: 1. YouTube interview with Joe Kiradjieff, son of Tom Kiradjieff 2. Article from The Baltimore Sun by Scott Calvert stating “ Cincinnati chili began in 1922, according to The Encyclopedia of American Food & Drink, when Bulgarian immigrant Athanas "Tom" Kiradjieff concocted it with his brother, John. The idea caught on and their restaurant, Empress, grew into a downtown chili emporium.” 3. Just for ha-ha I just added a Tampa Bay Times article.

Enjoy. :)