User talk:2605:B100:90A:DD53:11A5:E948:80F6:98E9

ambiguous and incorrect information - quite pervasive as it is quoted often, probably from here.
The difference between a submersible and a submarine.

"...in that a submarine is a fully autonomous craft, capable of renewing its own power..."

The use of autonomous here refers to an independent entity, group, or organization that operates with autonomy. Although this usage is technically correct when describing a submarine, it's really better suited for such things like geo-political discussion or biology or whatever.

In the context of this wiki, the term 'fully autonomous' is in direct conflict with the use of autonomous to describe mechanized/robotic/mechatronic systems that operate independently of external control (short of activation/deactivation) and are commonly found across most classes of manned/unmanned submersible systems. The most encompassing 'fully autonomous' of these systems are the AUVs - Autonomous Underwater Vehicles.

Continuing with the mechanical perspective, a (manned) submarine is controlled by it's crew; it is independent of remote control systems via umbilical, underwater modem, etc. It may possess autonomous features like auto-depth, auto-altitude, auto-heading, station keeping etc. but most typically, they are far from "fully autonomous". To say so in this context is like saying an automobile or bicycle is fully autonomous. 'Submarines are manned & have autonomy free from external control' is better; 'Submarines are manned and are independent of external control' would eliminate any AUV confusion and be less ambiguous. 'Submarines are independently controlled by their occupant(s)' also works.

To the best of my knowledge, no submarine (ROV, AUV, or hybrid for that matter) is capable of 'renewing its own power'. A diesel generator can recharge batteries as long as there's fuel, and the boomers (nuclear subs) have tremendous power resources that can last years - but - they do not have a capacity to renew their own power. Even if they did, it would not necessarily be a criteria to differentiate them from any other submersible/semi-submersible system. Perhaps the intention was to say that submarines carry their own power source …like AUVs.

IMO this part of the wiki needs to be redone if a distinction is deemed necessary.

BTW There is so much wrong with this wiki page, so much.

2605:B100:91E:A99E:3CD3:C64B:6A51:D709 (talk) 21:33, 20 July 2021 (UTC)