User talk:2607:FEA8:22A0:39B0:BD50:8B1D:548E:78F8

April 2024
Do not use multiple IP addresses to disrupt Wikipedia, like you did at Boris Vadimovich Sokolov. Such attempts to avoid detection, circumvent policies or evade blocks or sanctions will not succeed. You are welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, but your recent edits have been reverted or removed. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, '''you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ''' TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I did not use multiple IP adresses, secondly, I took this information from Russian wikipedia about Boris Sokolov: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81_%D0%92%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 (Соколов, Борис Вадимович)
 * If you are not aware of Sokolov's falsifications on Russian history it is not my problem, but you obviously have not checked sources provided, instead you started to accuse me on "disruption".
 * Here is one example of him (Sokolov) faking history: В 1990 году в книге «Цена Победы» Соколов давал оценку в 14,7 млн погибших советских военнослужащих. С 1993 года Б. В. Соколов оценивает общее число погибших советских военнослужащих в 1941—1945 годах в 26,4 млн. человек, при этом германские потери на восточном фронте оцениваются в 2,6 млн. (то есть соотношение потерь 10:1). Однако советские потери Соколов определяет по своей методике, а немецкие — по учётным данным, к тому же не полным. Между тем, применение методики Соколова для оценки немецких потерь даёт цифру в 18,6 млн человек погибшими. Соколов в потери СССР включает и демографические потери (то есть тех, кто мог бы родиться, но не родился), а для Германии он такого подсчёта не ведёт. (In 1990, in his book “The Price of Victory,” Sokolov estimated that 14.7 million Soviet military personnel died. Since 1993, B.V. Sokolov estimates the total number of Soviet military deaths in 1941-1945 at 26.4 million people, while German losses on the eastern front are estimated at 2.6 million (that is, the loss ratio is 10:1) . However, Sokolov determines Soviet losses using his own methodology, and German losses based on accounting data, which is also incomplete. Meanwhile, the use of Sokolov’s methodology to estimate German losses gives a figure of 18.6 million people killed[22]. Sokolov also includes demographic losses in the losses of the USSR (that is, those who could have been born, but were not born), but for Germany he does not keep such a calculation)
 * В 1990 году в книге «Цена Победы» Соколов давал оценку в 14,7 млн погибших советских военнослужащих. С 1993 года Б. В. Соколов оценивает общее число погибших советских военнослужащих в 1941—1945 годах в 26,4 млн. человек, при этом германские потери на восточном фронте оцениваются в 2,6 млн. (то есть соотношение потерь 10:1). Однако советские потери Соколов определяет по своей методике, а немецкие — по учётным данным, к тому же не полным. Между тем, применение методики Соколова для оценки немецких потерь даёт цифру в 18,6 млн человек погибшими. Соколов в потери СССР включает и демографические потери (то есть тех, кто мог бы родиться, но не родился), а для Германии он такого подсчёта не ведёт.
 * Подсчёт общих потерь СССР основан на использовании Б. В. Соколовым отличающихся от общепринятых данных о численности населения: численность населения СССР на середину 1941 года взята в 209,3 млн человек (на 12-17 млн человек выше общепринятой, на уровне 1959 года), на начало 1946 года — в 167 млн (на 3,5 млн ниже общепринятой), что в сумме даёт разницу между официальным и полученным Соколовым числами. Подсчёты Б. В. Соколова повторяются во многих изданиях и СМИ (в фильме НТВ «Победа. Одна на всех», в интервью и выступлениях писателя В. П. Астафьева, в книге И. В. Бестужева-Лады «Россия накануне XXI века» и др.).
 * Академик РАН социолог Геннадий Осипов охарактеризовал Б. В. Соколова как «самого неутомимого „профессионального“ фальсификатора», а его подсчёты назвал абсурдными, поскольку «за все годы войны было мобилизовано (с учетом довоенного числа военнослужащих) 34,5 млн человек, из которых непосредственными участниками войны было около 27 млн человек. После окончания войны в Советской Армии числилось около 13 млн человек. Никак из 27 млн участников войны не могли погибнуть 26,4 миллиона».
 * In 1990, in his book “The Price of Victory,” Sokolov estimated that 14.7 million Soviet military personnel died. Since 1993, B.V. Sokolov estimates the total number of Soviet military deaths in 1941-1945 at 26.4 million people, while German losses on the eastern front are estimated at 2.6 million (that is, the loss ratio is 10:1) . However, Sokolov determines Soviet losses using his own methodology, and German losses based on accounting data, which is also incomplete. Meanwhile, the use of Sokolov’s methodology to estimate German losses gives a figure of 18.6 million people killed. Sokolov also includes demographic losses in the losses of the USSR (that is, those who could have been born, but were not born), but for Germany he does not keep such a calculation.
 * The calculation of the total losses of the USSR is based on B.V. Sokolov’s use of population data that differs from generally accepted data: the population of the USSR in mid-1941 was taken at 209.3 million people (12-17 million people higher than generally accepted, at the 1959 level), at the beginning of 1946 - 167 million (3.5 million lower than generally accepted), which in total gives the difference between the official and Sokolov’s numbers. B.V. Sokolov’s calculations are repeated in many publications and media (in the NTV film “Victory. One for All”, in interviews and speeches of the writer V.P. Astafiev, in the book by I.V. Bestuzhev-Lada “Russia on the eve of the 21st century” and etc.).
 * Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, sociologist Gennady Osipov described B.V. Sokolov as “the most tireless “professional” falsifier,” and called his calculations absurd, since “over all the years of the war, 34.5 million people were mobilized (taking into account the pre-war number of military personnel), of which About 27 million people were direct participants in the war. After the end of the war, there were about 13 million people in the Soviet Army. Of the 27 million participants in the war, 26.4 million could not have died.”
 * Sources: https://nvo.ng.ru/history/2001-09-28/5_science.html
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sfli4hri8Y&t=659s
 * You can paste that if link is not working: "Ледокол мнений": Цена победы. О потерях в Великой Отечественной войне
 * In this 34:56 long video on 7:30 he states the following claim: "According to my estimates, the RED ARMY lost about 27 million people (SOLDIERS) killed and the total losses were somewhere around 40 million -41 million people, that is, about 13 -14 million more civilians died."
 * While the actual Soviet losses in WW2 remains a subject of debate it is commonly cited at to be around 8,668,000 soldiers dead but the maximum considerable number is 11,400,000.
 * This is the information from this article on wikipedia: World War II casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#endnote_USSR
 * I hope you will finally take that into consideration and not going to ignore my request to edit the article about Boris Sokolov.
 * Have a great day.
 * P.S
 * I hope you would be able to paste the links or find the information I provided because I wasn't able to paste a link to the sources I provided. 2607:FEA8:22A0:39B0:BD50:8B1D:548E:78F8 (talk) 23:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I looked at the diffs and you added back the same information as the IPs who was just partially blocked and who continued disruption by faking references and adding Russian language. This is the English Wikipedia, and no foreign language text should not be in articles. I may not know if you are related to the IP or if you were the same person who did this, but I have a strong feeling it is you because you added the same information. You triggered the edit filter by doing that and all I saw in your edit was tagged "possible BLP issue or vandalism". TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 00:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I had no intentions of spreading fake references and no this user was not me, but Sokolov actually stated a number of 40 million Soviets dead. I even gave you links which proves that and I even translated for you what Sokolov said. This is not included in the wikipedia, it is important to understand what is Sokolov's opinion on WW2 and how it fits with the common estimates.
 * Just because you or readers of English wikipedia doesn't know Russian does not mean that his actual quotes or estimates should not be included. 2607:FEA8:22A0:39B0:BD50:8B1D:548E:78F8 (talk) 01:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I already seen the source and I translated it to English. Thank you for only proving to me that you were not the IP who added the same info, but I still don’t believe it. TheGreatestLuvofAll (talk) 02:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No problem 2607:FEA8:22A0:39B0:BD50:8B1D:548E:78F8 (talk) 02:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, I am pasting here a following reference from ENGLISH wikipedia: http://militera.lib.ru/research/sokolov1/index.html
 * (Translated for you through google translate)
 * Соколов Борис Вадимович 'Правда о Великой Отечественной войне' (Сборник статей)
 * Quote from the article above: "We note that due to the lack of a reliable primary calculation of the losses of the armed forces and the inaccuracy of data on the population of the USSR before and after the end of the Great Patriotic War, the accuracy of our estimates of both the losses of the Red Army and the total population losses is small and fluctuates between plus or minus 5 million Human.
 * We estimate the number of wounded Soviet military personnel who were evacuated at 25.8 million people, and the number of evacuated sick people at 7.7 million. Of the wounded and sick, at least 2.6 million became disabled. In total, according to our estimates, about 46.5 million people were drafted into the ranks of the Soviet Armed Forces along with the peacetime army, of which about 3.6 million people were returned to the national economy during the war. The net call amounted to 42.9 million people.
 * The total irrecoverable losses of the Soviet population, both civilians and military personnel, can be determined by comparing the country's population on June 22, 1941 and on June 1, 1945, taking into account the dynamics of the birth and death rates of the civilian population and changes in the population due to the increase in the territory of the USSR after war. According to our estimate, based on the assessment of the Central Statistical Office in 1941, adjusted for the undercount of an average of 4.6% revealed by re-calculation by June 22, 1941, about 209.3 million people lived on the territory of the USSR. The population in those borders on June 1, 1945, we estimate at 165.5 million people. Taking into account the natural increase of the war years, “eaten up” by military losses, and also taking into account that about 620 thousand former Soviet prisoners of war and civilians remained in the West after the war, making up the so-called “second wave” of emigration, the total irretrievable losses of the population of the USSR We estimate the number of dead and premature deaths due to the deterioration of living conditions caused by the war at 43.3 million people, of which 16.9 million people are the civilian population. In addition, indirect losses due to the fall in the birth rate in 1942-1945. amounted to approximately 13.8 million unborn children."
 * According to the wikipedia article World War II casualties of the Soviet Union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union#Total_population_losses
 * The total population of USSR in June 1941 was 196,700,000
 * There were 12,300,000 births from 1941 to 1945
 * There were 11,900,000 deaths by natural causes during war of those alive before war
 * There were 25,300,000 war related deaths of those alive before war
 * There were 1,300,000 War related deaths of those born during war
 * The population of USSR as of 1 January 1946 is 170,500,000
 * Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union#cite_note-FOOTNOTEAndreevDarskiKharkova2002-3
 * The Sokolov's estimates about the population of the USSR and the Soviet casualties are false according to the WW2 article provided by the wikipedia. 2607:FEA8:22A0:39B0:5DB3:86F9:3740:1EFA (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)