User talk:28bytes/Archive 8

I'm back
Hay, im back. Do you know if there is a article that tells you how to turn sources into references?? If i could do that then i could be on storm with sourcing my edits, including on The Cars album The Cars, and Just What I Needed etc... Well let me know if you know one, take care! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MajorHawke (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Well some teeny things such as Good Times Roll, should not have to have a source for quote"The guitar riffs can be described as Art rock, and the guitar solo has a Rockabilly lick."unquote. Your right, it's not always acceptable, especially when im going around rapidly adding and changing things, which put's alot of pressure on you because you might have to be the one to report me to the admins (which, i see you already did, ). I get the feeling you think of me sometimes as a vandalist, well actually im just a normal person, I play the guitar (im left handed "like Elliot Easton, which fascinated me since i was a kid". I just like to see that The Cars song articles get fair genres because alot of people dont know how wikipedia works and expects everything to be a fact, iv'e seen the worst and best of wikipedia. But you cant expect me not to edit for today or whatever, it's like telling a musician not to play. But i'll try not to put to much unsourced stuff. I really want to change The Cars article genres because i get the feeling their a little to long: I want to change them to, Rock Hard rock New wave Power pop Poprock. but i guess they can wait a while, and thanks for showing me how to format sources, take care! MajorHawke (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

RfA
This just makes it official. :) Acalamari 16:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will get started answering the questions. 28bytes (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You'll certainly get my support (You would have had it last time, but you withdrew before I had the chance ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:05, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks BsZ! If all goes well it should go live on Tuesday. 28bytes (talk) 17:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey there, I saw that you're preparing your RfA. (I know because I watch User:X!/Tally for some reason.) I'm definitely going to support you this time, once you transclude your RfA. — mc10 ( t / c ) 23:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it! I'm waiting 'til Tuesday to transclude it, since I'll be around then to answer any optional questions that may come along. 28bytes (talk) 23:59, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll be happy to support this round! You have clearly developed enough experience to wield the mop. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I appreciate the vote of confidence. 28bytes (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to this! Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 00:22, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! 28bytes (talk) 10:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear this. Good luck. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 28bytes (talk) 10:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No prizes for being first to support, but luckily I just came to WP and checked my watchlist two minutes after you transcluded! Good luck. Pedro : Chat  14:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! It's funny, I was up at 5 AM local time and checked to see if you, Acalamari or HJ were online, and was thinking "come on, all y'all are in the UK, it's 10 AM there, you should be up by now!" 28bytes (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You edit conflicted me twice Pedro. :( Steven Zhang  The clock is ticking....  14:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry Steven I shall try not to make anymore tweaks! Pedro : Chat  14:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're in but then you never know.  — Soap  —  15:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I hear ya. :) 28bytes (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Good luck 28bytes, I know it's going to work out. –BuickCenturyDriver 01:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! 28bytes (talk) 01:37, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
For watching over. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 15:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. 28bytes (talk) 15:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

No template duplication
I'm not duplicating Talk Archive. I'm just going to get a new archive template ready, because there dosen't seem to be enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BewarePETeacher (talk • contribs) 22:07, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What is the difference between Talk Archive and the one you want to create? 28bytes (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Tigerjojo98
This user had no reason for this. Hope my warning on his/her talk page was correctly worded.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * His comment was definitely out of line, but don't feel like you always have to respond to such things. 28bytes (talk) 03:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, in general you shouldn't remove people's comments from their own talk page. That's what escalated the Pangurban1 situation, remember? 28bytes (talk) 03:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Then tell me where's the line for that - drawing the line has been always hard for me.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, feel free to ask Kansan or me if you run across another case where you think redacting/deleting an editor's comments on their own talk page is warranted. In general, it's not a good idea, but as with most anything in life, there are exceptions. As a side note, what is your opinion on the content of Tigerjojo98's article edit that you reverted? It was unreferenced, but do you believe it was a good faith edit? 28bytes (talk) 05:11, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, according to WP:TPO: "Personal talk page cleanup:' On your own user talk page, you may archive threads at your discretion. Simply deleting others' comments on your talk page is permitted, but most editors prefer archiving." So you are allowed to remove comments, to show that you have read them, but you generally should not, unless their posts are harmful. — mc10 ( t / c ) 17:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, deleting comments from your own talk page is fine... but it's best not remove comments from other people's talk pages unless there's a really good reason. 28bytes (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Definitely good faith - just not knowing what to do.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In that case, did you consider helping him finding sources for what he added? Take a look at this edit to an article I used to watch. I could have just reverted it as unsourced, but instead I did a quick Google search and was able to find a GameSpot article that supported the addition, so I added that as a source. 28bytes (talk) 05:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Gave him links to policies - apparently, however, simple in-text links don't help.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:23, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but did you help him find sources? Do you believe his edit would have been fine if it had a supporting source included, or were there other objections you had to the edit? 28bytes (talk) 05:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The only other problem is that the movie summaries given were a bit too over-detailed. It was clear that the user had sources (implying that when saying "well-sourced" on his/her talk page) but did not know how to put them in.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, well that's easy enough to fix. If he actually has sources, you can help him format them correctly, right? In looking over his other contributions, most are clearly original research and were correctly reverted, so please don't think I'm saying all his edits are OK, just that if there are edits that are unsourced but would otherwise be OK, finding sources for them would be a helpful thing to do. 28bytes (talk) 05:38, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If the user is being serious with his/her statements that he/she has sources, then I should tell him/her how to format (Mojoworker already provided two links), but otherwise, I should try to find sources.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Look at it this way, if a quick search for sources turns up something useful, you've helped him improve the article, and if it doesn't turn up anything, then that will help your case that the edit shouldn't be made. 28bytes (talk)

6b
I tend to think that we are a bit too conservative with negative information and BLPs. If the one source in question felt it relevant to mention in an otherwise positive piece, I would lean toward keeping the (sourced) information there. Removing it certainly wouldn't be wrong, it's just not what I'd likely do... Hobit (talk) 18:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. (And thanks for the reply.) For me, I think the context would be key; if, in the 6b example, the jail time was mentioned as a defining event in the businessperson's life that inspired them to do all the good work they're getting coverage for, it would be fair to keep it in the article with that context, but if it's just something dumb they did 20 years earlier, with no bearing on their current notability (such that it is), it'd probably be best left out, IMO. So depending on the context, I might end up agreeing with you. :) 28bytes (talk) 18:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

User talk:AllanEdwards999
Did I bite this user? Was I being too provocative?Jasper Deng (talk) 23:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * As discussed above, I'd really prefer it if you didn't remove people's comments from their own talk page without asking someone first. 28bytes (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Here it was a blatantly obvious case of PA that led to a longer block. Did I do something wrong?Jasper Deng (talk) 23:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Blatant PA or not, I recommend you get a second opinion before doing something like that. It's aggravated situations in the past, hasn't it? Surely you don't want to deliberately irritate people? 28bytes (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me just put it bluntly: Do not ever remove other people's comments from their own talk pages. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Removing their comments will just inflame the situation. Reaper Eternal (talk) 23:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Right. In any case, I'm Ohnoitsjamie's TPS, and, I felt the user had overstepped the line after the warnings. Here, the situation was different - where the user had been purely disruptive (in contrast to ). Intervening next time (by you) might help me on this in the future.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm going to revise what I said earlier, and go with Reaper Eternal's phrasing instead: "Do not ever remove other people's comments from their own talk pages." OK? 28bytes (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Except if I'm removing outing of another user.... maybe??Jasper Deng (talk) 23:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If there's outing, e-mail an administrator and they'll revdel it if they think it's warranted. 28bytes (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * What I'm talking about is things like USer talk:Tatababy.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

RfA(2)
Brilliant answer! It  would be great  if more candidates would do  it. I'll probably  cite this somewhere over at  WP:RFA2011. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. (And thanks for the support, by the way.) I find that disagreements of most kinds are best handled one-on-one, at least initially, and it's seldom helpful for everyone to try to chime in at once. 28bytes (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * And I appreciated this as well, so thanks from me. I hope you didn't mind my intervention but I know Malleus a little and worried that that one part of your answer would have made the situation harder to resolve. --John (talk) 05:58, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. And I didn't mind the intervention at all. If I say something that's not fair, I'm grateful to be called on it. Hopefully Malleus and I will meet again under happier circumstances; as I said over there, I do have a lot of respect for the work he's done here. 28bytes (talk) 06:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes; well done! Now see if you can do something about the other opposer's hecklers. Kidding! :) Although thanks K for not saying "he never gets it wrong." Anyway, best of luck 28b – it's about time! ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 14:27, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! 28bytes (talk) 14:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't really heckling - I really wanted to make a plug for the stats page we've made for WP:RFA2011. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

@Erik: Well I got it wrong too - but it was a close call ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

28bytes: I'm so sorry that my comment created a distraction from your RfA, where the focus should rightly be on your candidacy, and not on me or on Malleus. I've stricken it, and made a statement that I hope will get things back on track. You very much deserve a successful RfA, and I'm pretty sure you will get it. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, and thanks for the clarification you offered. I didn't figure the comment was anything but bemusement at the conflating of two high-profile usernames, but your striking it was nonetheless a good-will gesture I appreciate. (And thanks, of course, for the RfA support.) 28bytes (talk) 16:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Strawberry moonlight
I dont know if you have herd this before (i doubt you have), but The Cars have alot of really good demos, some unreleased, an eye catching one is Strawberry Moonlight, which is actually sort of a bootleg, it's not even on the anthology, it's too bad you cant make articles on demos. Anyway, take care! here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVK6aqsSyP8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MajorHawke (talk • contribs) 21:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk page archiving
My talk page isn't being archived properly. I need help here.Jasper Deng (talk) 22:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, I can help with that. Give me a sec, I'll take a look. 28bytes (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Per User:MiszaBot/config, the  needed to be on a separate line. Hopefully it should work now.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  22:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Needed a couple of other tweaks, but should be good to go now. It should archive a bunch of threads about 18 hours from now. 28bytes (talk) 22:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Jasper
Things are clearly still a little fraught. I try hard to keep out of it but sometimes do jump in there. I realise that generally you agree with me when I have beaten you to a comment, but am I getting in the way of your (and Kansan's) mentorship? I really do feel that Jasper would benefit by moving away from these highly contested areas for now but (IIRC) he has rejected suggestions that this might be the best course. What bothers me is that (a) things keep going wrong, and (b) the intervention of myself, Eagles etc might be construed by him as pedantry. I have no idea whether statistically the point at (a) is significant, in part because I do not stalk, merely watch his talk page. It may well not be pedantry on my part or anyone else's. Anyway, I only get involved occasionally but if you would rather that I did not at all then just holler.

The RfA is going fairly smoothly from what I can see. Forgive me for not getting involved there: I do not have the necessary experience to comment, although my own experience in dealing with you etc is that there really should not be an issue. I doubt that there has ever been a snowed RfA, but this should be as near as dammit one of those. - Sitush (talk) 23:16, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I swear to follow my mentors' advice after this, because results have not been good. Perhaps I just need to not watch the talk pages of admins and the noticeboards, with the exception of the edit filter false positives one.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:18, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Sitush, you are more than welcome to chime in at any time, to me or to Jasper directly, if you see an issue that needs to be addressed. I trust your judgment, and Jasper can only benefit from more people offering him solid advice. Your advice to Jasper to steer clear of contentious areas is spot-on, in my opinion. As to the RfA, thanks for the kind words, and I admire a person who waits until they feel competent to comment before commenting! If only more of the world did that. Best, 28bytes (talk) 23:22, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Bingo.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:23, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * 10-4, 28. Jasper, it is not so much that you should not watch - you can learn from watching. Well, I do. It is more a case of taping your trigger finger to the chair before you do so. Believe me, I am sometimes tempted and, doubtless, have sometimes transgressed. Hopefully it is getting less frequent in my case, and hopefully the same will apply to you. You have much to offer but occasionally it would perhaps help if you realised that there are others offering also? You do not have to be the martyr etc. - Sitush (talk) 01:40, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Rollback on false positives reports
Why is it that Rollback is often used on WP:Edit filter/False positives/Reports?Jasper Deng (talk) 00:22, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Funny you should ask that, as I've just used rollback there to revert a vandal. When someone attempts to vandalize an article, then posts a spurious false positive report, that typically gets reverted as vandalism. Or, of course, if they vandalize the FP page itself, that gets rolled back. 28bytes (talk) 00:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In light of the recent events, should I try it?Jasper Deng (talk) 00:34, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Try what? 28bytes (talk) 00:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Rolling back "false" positive reports.Jasper Deng (talk) 00:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably not, just to be on the safe side. 28bytes (talk) 00:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)