User talk:2A00:23C5:E38E:1A01:880E:6052:EF6E:EA1D

July 2022
Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Helen Pluckrose. Content of this nature is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Schazjmd  (talk)  23:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't understand how this is poorly referenced. It was the official notification of Counterweight. And a personal Facebook account post the url of which I fixed. Can you suggest another way I adequately reference my own retirement seeing as how the point of retiring is not to do anything publicly?
 * Thanks
 * Helen Pluckrose 2A00:23C5:E38E:1A01:880E:6052:EF6E:EA1D (talk) 00:02, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Self-published sources like Twitter and Facebook can't be used as sources for information about another person. So Counterweight's tweet is not usable in Pluckrose's article. The Facebook link you provide goes to a blank page with a Facebook logo on it. Schazjmd   (talk)  00:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Are you sure I cannot cite my organisation's public announcement of my departure from the organisation from the organisation's Social Media account from where we make public announcements?
 * I can try to find another way to source my facebook post. 2A00:23C5:E38E:1A01:880E:6052:EF6E:EA1D (talk) 00:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sure. Please see WP:ABOUTSELF. Schazjmd   (talk)  00:12, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this page could be updated to include the retirement info, then we could add the retirement sourced to that. And when we do have a source, all we need to add is a simple sentence to the Counterweight section (such as "Pluckrose retired from Counterweight in July, 2022.") It does not need its own section or quotes from Pluckrose or Counterweight. Schazjmd   (talk)  00:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. It doesn't look like I have any legitimate way to update the page to include accurate information about what my career is right now so it will have to stay inaccurate and out of date. I don't mind if wiki doesn't. I didn't make the page and there's a record of me trying to correct and update it so I don't think anyone can expect me to have done any more. 2A00:23C5:E38E:1A01:880E:6052:EF6E:EA1D (talk) 00:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The link you sent seems to say that it is acceptable for people to use self-published and social media sources of information about themselves in some circumstances. Those below seem to fit my use of them. It just doesn't seem likely that I can accurately update a page about me with my current career via any other source. 'Woman gets job in day centre for disabled people' is not really something that gets published anywhere except on someone's social media account.
 * "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities, without the self-published source requirement that they are published experts in the field, so long as:
 * the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim;
 * it does not involve claims about third parties;
 * it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source;
 * there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and
 * the article is not based primarily on such sources.
 * This policy also applies to material published by the subject on social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, LinkedIn, Reddit, and Facebook." 2A00:23C5:E38E:1A01:880E:6052:EF6E:EA1D (talk) 01:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I made an account. HGWP Tea (talk) 01:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't know how wikipedia works. Perhaps an administrator could explain to me whether my career bit can be updated to include my current career and whether I can use my own social media posts about this as references for it seeing as how its not the kind of career that is prestigious and so unlikely to be referenced anywhere else or even known about by anybody who isn't me. I didn't make this page and the writers of the career section missed out the 17 years I spent in social care at the start of it. By including that and also a two sentence section that I have retired from the public sphere and returned to social care, the career section would be accurate and complete as I am unlikely to be seen again. Otherwise, I am happy to leave the page alone because, even though I disagree with some critical perspectives on my work in it, I support people's right to be critical of me. Can anyone tell me whether or how I can update that section so it is current and accurate? HGWP Tea (talk) 02:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I can provide evidence to admins that I am Helen Pluckrose and that I am now working in social care, if necessary? HGWP Tea (talk) 02:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you can use your verified social media account to announce that you've retired from Counterweight and returned to social care. Social media posts by Counterweight cannot be used to support information about you ("about third parties"). Schazjmd  (talk)  15:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * I wrote them, though. They are signed by me and I was the head of Counterweight at the time. 2A00:23C5:E38E:1A01:C4B3:7F3D:C08E:242C (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)