User talk:2A00:23C8:1981:1901:4082:D17F:C077:7F66

Reverting your redlinks
Putting it simply, it's not Wikiquette to pipe redlinks like this: VisionTrack Kawasaki, showing as VisionTrack Kawasaki.

After giving careful consideration to the redlinks you added, I concluded that not enough had been written about either organisation by accredited journalists to merit stand-alone article(s).

I left all of the salient included text you authored.

To me, a redlink like this is advertising for VisionTrack Kawasaki. Whereas the support they give is appreciated, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an advertising medium.

WP:WRITEITFIRST gives more guidance about redlinks in tables (Wikitables, lists). I don't have time to look at other redlinks, as you argue/complain about in this edit summary (one of two identical), so wouldn't know whether any others have been piped in a similar manner.

Hope this helps. On the supposition that you are Wiki-inexperienced, I've written this for your aid; it's not a pre-prepared warning. Thank you.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 12:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I see now you were using a different IP address .--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 13:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The easiest way to ascribe accountability to the race team owners/organisers is by way of a simple text inclusion, like here. I'm sure I have done similar elsewhere, but there's nothing to stop anyone from changing things (two men think they're Jesus; one of them must be wrong).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 13:45, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * If you look at User talk:Marko15UK, you'll see where a regular editor (but only from September 2021) has pipe-linked to the wrong target article. This is a good example of why Wikipedia should never be considered as a reliable source.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 14:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually, I am experienced on Wikipedia, having been editing pages about MotoGP, World Superbikes, snooker and figure skating for the best part of a decade. I registered years ago when I first started editing, but do not use my account because the system automatically turned the underscore in my username into a space. And I specifically wanted it to be an underscore. (If you know how to get an underscore to work in a username, please let me know!)


 * I don't like red links. If it was me, I would remove every single red link on the page, and leave just blue links and bare text. But, that would create a lot of work for somebody if a non-existant page that was being linked to was subsequently created. So, I decided to just correct red links that point to the wrong place, and leave any others as they were.


 * When I did those edits, I was following the format used on the Grand Prix season pages (e.g. look at how Pons Racing is displayed in the Moto2 season pages). Personally, I agree with you. I don't like advertising either, and would prefer if the teams were listed solely by their real names, with the sponsors not appearing on the page at all. But, a lot of readers would not know the real names of the teams, so the names that they are known by during the season would need to be included somewhere to help them. That was why I asked if it would be possible to do it as a note. Using my local team as an example, you could have "TAS Racing" in the table, with "SYNETIQ BMW Motorrad" as a note. If it was done your way, it would appear as "SYNETIQ BMW Motorrad by TAS Racing", which would make the Team column disproportionately (and unnecessarily) wide.


 * Anyway, I hope that explains why I did those edits. I won't pursue it any further, as we are actually on the same wavelength, but are having to adapt our own preference to make the pages helpful for others.


 * 2A00:23C8:1981:1901:84A6:7D33:F3BF:3A73 (talk) 12:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that; I surmised you were displaying non-newbie changes, but I shouldn't jump to conclusions. I don't 'do' tables, and normally the appearance and uniformity would be decided upon by - perhaps - a small number of regular individuals. I take the point that too much text could be a problem, unless it wrapped around. I think I've written Feel Racing and Provec Racing previously (those wouldn't be universally recognised, similarly Crescent Racing), but that would be in prose.


 * To me, redlinks can signify lazy editors who want someone else to do it (write the article) for them. With the username underscore problem, you could enquire through the Village pump (technical). rgds,--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thinking about it further, there's no compulsion on Wikipedia to display the full name as used by a team, providing what's there is recognisable. I get this regularly with far-eastern IPs, ferinstance insisting that the infobox displays "Team" twice.


 * With TAS, there's no reason to display Motorrad - unless carrying that accolade means Hector and Phil get a better engine than Ms Ho.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)