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Atlas Stone to shoulder – 142 kg (313 lb) x 8 cleans and reps (2014 Giants Live FitX Melbourne) (World Record)
Hello, let's discuss the List of World Records and feats of strength by Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson edit-warring here. My point with refer to the subject is you can't demonstrate that the 9 and 8 reps performed by Jason Bergmann or Matjaz Belsak on 21st June 2014 Giants Live Hungary as a betterment of the 8 cleans and reps performed by Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson on 8th March 2014 Giants Live FitX Melbourne, because they are two completely different methods to each other which cannot be categorized as the same lift.

Furthermore, according to your argument, if they are the same, why don't you alter it as 'former world record' rather than completely deleting it? Nir007H (talk) 18:46, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I understand your argument, but it is not well grounded for reasons best demonstrated by the following example:
 * Take Log Lift - there are roughly 4 different techniques strongmen employ to get the log from floor to overhead:
 * 1. Viper Press (where athletes leverage the momentum from the hip and leg drive to press the log in one-motion overhead)
 * 2. Push Press (where athletes combines elements of both a strict shoulder press and a slight leg drive or dip to help lift the weight overhead)
 * 3. Jerk (where athletes drive the log off their shoulders and then quickly drop under it to catch it in a stable position with arms fully extended overhead)
 * 4. Strict Press (where athletes press from the shoulders with zero leg drive involved).
 * These techniques vary in their manipulation of momentum or leverage vs muscle power alone.
 * Unlike weightlifting, strongman is a sport where technique (the manner in which one moves an object from A to B) is for the most part irrelevant. For this reason, Log Lift performances are not differentiated into 4 separate record classes based on the aforementioned techniques. A more recent example would be the flintstone lift at WSM 2022, where athletes ranged in their techniques to get the barbell overhead, and yet no separate records were defined on the spot according to these variations.
 * Analogously, there may be a variety of ways to shoulder a stone, varying in their manipulation of momentum or gravity vs muscle power alone, but these performances are not differentiated according to the competition rules.
 * Regarding your point about it being a 'former world record', that is perfectly reasonable - I didn't pay attention to the precise dates on this occasion. 2A00:23CC:900:1F01:145:12F9:1452:36FD (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

International Sports Hall of Fame
With refer to deleting what was said by the President of the International Sports Hall of Fame, during class of 2023 induction speech for Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson; are you challenging his speech? Nir007H (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm not contesting their speech; they are entitled to hold any opinion they choose. However, I find issue with the circular argument being used to support the claim that Hafthor is the "strongest man in history."
 * In the speech, the speaker references Hafthor's Wikipedia page, which lists his ESM/WSM/ASC wins in a single calendar year, 30 international competition victories, and his ranking as the third most decorated strongman of all time. Additionally, the claim is made that many experts and analysts consider Hafthor the strongest of all time. My concern lies in the fact that these points are mentioned in a particular sequence, exactly how they are presented on Wikipedia, leading me to reasonably suspect the speech is paraphrased from the page.
 * Paraphrasing from Wikipedia is perfectly acceptable; however, using this speech to reinforce the claims mentioned in the speech, which were originally referenced from the same Wikipedia page, is known as begging the question.
 * Furthermore, I take issue with the assertion that 'many experts and analysts' regard Hafthor as the strongest of all time, as most of these so-called experts are online magazine contributors who lack the recognition and credibility of reputable commentators or historians of strongman. This is not intended as an insult, as they are entitled to their opinions, but we cannot label them as experts merely because their views align with our own personal beliefs. I understand that your efforts have been made to bolster the significance of the ISHOF and Dr. Goldman's support, but their backing holds no more weight than others', given that their arguments are based on what someone else said on Wikipedia.
 * Lastly, on a personal note, creating separate pages, inflating record lists, and employing other methods of self-promotion may not have the desired impact on people's perceptions, especially when they can access the editing history and observe the construction of such framing in real-time.
 * Ultimately, I encourage reflection on whether true greatness requires flattery to be appreciated or if a sense of modesty accompanies genuine accomplishments and accolades, as excessive flattery can often have the opposite effect. 2A00:23CC:900:1F01:145:12F9:1452:36FD (talk) 11:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)