User talk:333-blue/Archive 18

Draft:Edward Leung Yiu-ming
I don't see how notability guidelines helps improve Wikipedia. Sure this person doesn't meet the guidelines' criteria, but they are not definite or absolute. What about WP:verification or WP:BLP? Do they help much? Also, I created this to distinguish the other Edward Leung. --George Ho (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * How "in-depth"? I checked sources from Google Books, and they say the same thing about his accomplishments. Nothing else about his private life or interviews or anything else. --George Ho (talk) 19:05, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Try to add some sources from news recently.  333-blue  00:14, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I "learned" from SwisterTwister.  333-blue  00:15, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Added a news article in Chinese, saying that he also served as a director of a television series. -- This is George Ho actually (Talk) 02:54, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * How many more sources must I add? Which ones? --George Ho (talk) 14:22, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * 1 is not enough, more will be better.  333-blue  23:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

There's already six sources there, so forget about counting them or that adding "one more" will be a magic fix. Here's the actual problem. The sources need to show the notability of the person. At this current time none of the numbered footnotes demonstrate notability. What do they teach us about the guy? Each and every one of these 11 references from 6 different sources (excluding two pages I can't access) merely give a passing mention of him as a scriptwriter, without giving any discussion about his work, or him as a person. Please see the general notability guideline. The first step of that is:
 * 1) Bettinson - He was one of 4 scriptwriters on a film. (I can't access p247 though. Is he mentioned in that page?)
 * 2) Charles (p.25) - He was one of two writers on a film.
 * 3) Charles (p.52) - I can't access this page
 * 4) Morton - He was one of 6 writers on a film
 * 5) Charles (p.300) - He was one of 6 writers on a film
 * 6) Charles (p.176) - He was one of 3 writers on a film
 * 7) Charles (p.201) - He was one of 2 writers on a film
 * 8) Charles (p.156) - He was one of 3 writers on a film
 * 9) Charles (p.366) - He is the sole credited writer on this film. Does the source discuss his writing? Not very favourably, describing the first half of the film as a "washout", while the second half does not capitalize on its ambitions.
 * 10) Golden Horse - Nominated for an award but didn't win.
 * 11) Sina.com - He directed a television show, but it is a passing mention because the article is about someone else.
 * "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content.

Currently this article fails the first sentence because there is no detailed discussion of the subject. To fix it, you need to find sources which discuss in detail his work and/or him as a person. More sources saying "he is a scriptwriter" will not help. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What about WP:NOTEWORTHY, WP:NRV and WP:ARTN? --George Ho (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. Here is an explanation addressing each of the three links you've mentioned:
 * WP:NOTEWORTHY is about content within an article. The best way to explain is by giving you an example. Akihiro Ota is a Japanese politician who was the nation's transport minister this time last year. His political career has received significant coverage over many years, because he was also the president of one of the ruling parties a few years ago. So his notability is well-established and he has an article. Within the "early life" section of his article, it mentions that he was the captain of his university's sumo club. This piece of information is not the subject of significant coverage - the source is Ota's own website. So if "captain of a college sumo club" was his only claim of notability, he would fail WP:GNG. This is where WP:NOTEWORTHY is applicable - that fact about his college sumo does not need to satisfy the notability guidelines, because it is one piece of information within an article about a notable person. By comparison, Yiu-ming does not have anything to establish the required significant coverage. If he was notable for being a top politican, then his film-writing career could also be included in his biography per WP:NOTEWORTHY. But currently that first hurdle of notability has not been cleared.
 * WP:NRV - Yes, notability requires verifiable evidence, just as that link says. My point is that so far, the article contains no verifiable evidence of notability.
 * WP:ARTN - The last sentence could be applicable here. If the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability. If there are Chinese sources which establishes Yiu-ming's notability within the film industry in his country, then we can say he is notable even if they are not used in the article. I can't read Chinese, so I can't help you find those sources. If the sources do exist you need to present a list of them, or better still, use them to expand the article.
 * Please let me know if any of that needs further explanation. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 06:14, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What about this one and that? And what about WP:SUSTAINED? --George Ho (talk) 09:06, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The google translation of the Chinese links are very poor and the excerpts are quite short, so I can't give a fair assessment. What does the material say? If they are more one-sentence mentions of him writing a film, I don't think they will help. I do not think WP:SUSTAINED helps in this situation either. The subject is not really receiving coverage, they are merely passing mentions. So far we have no biographical information about him, you know, the basic stuff like where he was born, how old he is. In this day and age, if that sort of information is not provided in sources, then it is a fair indication that a person is not notable. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:01, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Haven't you heard of WP:BLPPRIVACY? That person would like to keep his basic profile very low if reliable sources do not mention his age and birth. What about WP:ANYBIO? --George Ho (talk) 06:20, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying we must include his age. What I mean is that none of the sources provided so far have any information about him. If we remove the details of what films and shows he has worked on, this would be a two-sentence biography "Edward Leung Yiu-ming is a film screenwriter. He and his co-writers received the Golden Horse Award nomination in 1990 for Best Featured Film Adapted Screenplay for The Swordsman." That is not enough to satisfy the requirements of a biography of a notable person. Which part of WP:ANYBIO are you referring to? There is no evidence of receiving multiple award nominations. Similarly, there is no evidence of a "widely-recognized contribution" to his field.
 * By the way, is his surname Leung? I believe it is, but please correct me if I am wrong. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 06:47, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. Would you like to move this discussion to either the article's talk page or your talk page George? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

A draft talk page would do, but what about the whole thread? Shall we move it there or leave it here? --George Ho (talk) 07:33, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we should copy it over to keep the thread intact. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:49, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Thomas Harte (Irish republican)
I agree that more needs to be added to make this page significant but I'm having a hard time finding more background info on Thomas Harte (no surprise there!). I did add information on how the Offenses Against the State Act which was used in this case, it would be good to have a page dedicated to someone who was executed under the provisions of this Act. Im new to this but I'm sure this page would be valuable once I learn how to link other pages/categories to it: Irish People convicted of murdering Police Officers, Executed Irish People, Offences against the State Acts 1939–1998, Irish Republican Army (1922–69) etc.

I will work to find more significant info on Tom Harte, can you refer me to the place where I can learn how to insert links to categories? Thanks very much.Palisades1 13:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Palisades1 (talk • contribs)


 * If you want to insert articles to categories, copy these words below, and paste them in your article, the category name is the name of your category:

[[Category:]]
 *  333-blue  23:16, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It is important to note that categories should not be added until the page has been approved and moved into the "main" article space. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 06:17, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Request on 09:16:08, 15 July 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Nanda kyaw
I am disappointed because my article keep declined. I have provided references to proved that he was top leader for our country.

Nanda kyaw (talk) 09:16, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Where is your question?  333-blue  09:17, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Could you please add more in-depth 3rd-party sources?  333-blue  09:45, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems like that only 1 is accessable without buying (which is free), and that shows quite notablity, adding more will make it acceptable.  333-blue  09:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

10:27:20, 15 July 2016 review of submission by 4a4a7a
Thanks so much for your time 333 blue. And for your review, too.

You had mentioned that there should be reliable external sources mentioned in the article. The best source I have is the original Suzuki manuscript (hard copy scanned and the link mentioned) which was given to my father when he purchased this machine.

I combed the internet. But I failed to find what you advised me to look for. But I would keep on trying.

There is another way. But I don't know how to do it. I will tell you what.

Now take a look at this following article about a motor cycle. The article has been approved by Wikipedia. This is also about a motor cycle like the one I am about to publish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_T20

Now how did that user got through? I want to get in touch with him and find out on what reliable source he wrote the article.

Thanks
 * First, there is a template about adding sources for verification. Second, it even didn't go through the AFC process. Third, that article would probably not be passed if went with the AFC process (or at least passed with stub-class), but there is notablity. And also that your article reads like an advert and needs to be broken into sections, though.  333-blue  10:48, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

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16:26:28, 17 July 2016 review of submission by 173.166.250.94
I'm just a little confused as to why this 101-year-old, statewide Buddhist organization with 12 separate temples is not considered notable. It seems a bit strange that small, single-town Christian churches with little more than "it's old" are considered notable but a statewide religious organization is not. Is there a reason for the inconsistency? Or should articles like the following be reported for removal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodi_Methodist_Church
 * Still need some in-depth 3rd-party sources.  333-blue  00:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

10:22:10, 21 July 2016 review of submission by 4a4a7a
Dear Blue 333,

This is with reference to your review of my draft on Suzuki GP 100 a week ago.

In your review you informed me that "Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"

Unfortunately there are no such reliable sources I could find. Nothing in Suzuki Motor cycles official web page.

The only authentic document I have is the Suzuki's commercial leaflet printed some 30 years ago. I have posted it in my blog too.

Can you please take a look at my blog and advise me what I should do? please.

Here is the link. http://suzukigp100.blogspot.com/

I would be extremely indebted to you.


 * Your blog? So are you the creator of the Suzuki GP 100, and also it is a little bit advertising?  333-blue  10:33, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Have you even read the article you reviewed blue? The GP 100 is a 40-year old motorcycle. The blog is where this author is writing about the motorcycle his father once owned. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 12:24, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I doubt that it is an advertisement, though.  333-blue  13:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Please Blue, your perspective is somewhat biased. Whether I am advertising or not, please try to look at the facts. Suzuki GP 100 bike EXISTS! So why cannot it claim a place of its own?

I have produced perfectly acceptable scanned images of the manufacturer's leaflets! Did you go through the blog, Blue? Please do.

And there is another message from you that is quite disturbing. Here:

''Hello, 4a4a7a. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Suzuki GP 100".

I did NOT edit it six months ago! I edited only 6 days back. Please assist me. I beg of you.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. 333-blue 13:44, 21 July 2016 (UTC)'' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4a4a7a (talk • contribs)


 * Sorry, I pushed the wrong button.  333-blue  00:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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網球專題
您好，請問你經常編輯英文版的網球條目嗎？--Chinyen Lu (talk) 03:05, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey, I remember you, you typed your words in Chinese in 2014!  333-blue  03:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Back to the topic, yes, I often edit in English tennis articles.  333-blue  03:17, 29 July 2016 (UTC)