User talk:37.152.231.22

Hey
Hey - I'm rather on your side (diff) in thinking the edits you made to Lists of mountains and hills in the British Isles had some merit, and were done with the best of intentions. So thanks for wanting to improve Wikipedia. That said, you've really not helped yourself by getting into an 'edit war', which is horribly disruptive and helps no-one. Please could I ask you to stop doing that, and agree to discuss your concerns at the article talk page so that we can all reach a consensus? This switching back and forth between versions is quite unhelpful - even if one person (possibly you) is in the right. Whether right or wrong, you'll only end up blocked from editing, whereas finding the right way to engage/discuss/reach agreement leads to an overall improvement of the article. I value your input, so please don't throw the opportunity away. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:04, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020
Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing for a period of 60 hours for persistently making disruptive edits. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Drmies (talk) 13:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If this is a shared IP address and you are an uninvolved editor with a registered account, you may continue to edit by logging in.


 * Nick Moyes, I saw your name here--if you have a moment, please look at the ANEW report/discussion and the article talk page for ongoing edit warring and personal attacks. If you disagree with me (basically I'm saying "enough already"), feel free to unblock. I appreciate your time and your advocacy. User:Ohnoitsjamie, User:EdJohnston, you also, feel free to weigh in. Drmies (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I clearly felt there was some merit in what this editor was originally trying to achieve, and I was trying to support them. But I've not needed to look back at them, nor need to disagree with your tempory block, as the disruption caused by this person's tone and attitude towards everyone else has exceeded any benefits their contributions might have brought. Even when we completely disagree with one another, we do still need to follow our behavioural protocols. These haven't been observed by this editor, though hopefully they might in the future. Good block. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nick Moyes, thanks--I appreciate your advocacy and I certainly share your opinion on the merits of the edits. I hope will take those edits seriously. Drmies (talk) 14:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Drmies, I have actually restored several of them, and the ones I have not, I have explained on the article talk page for future discussion. thanks again. Britishfinance (talk) 14:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . Drmies (talk) 14:55, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

You called a user's actions (and by extension, them) "childish"here and here; and called people liars on several occasions including here. 331dot (talk) 14:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It also sounds to me as if this isn't your first go at this, as most new users aren't familiar with "diffs". Not saying it is illegitimate, just noting. 331dot (talk) 14:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, you're being hypersensitive. Look, the user repeatedly claimed that they had done something which they hadn't, and that I had done something I hadn't. That was a lie. The diffs proved it. Repeatedly lying like that is childish. Seems to me that you regard calling someone a liar to be a far worse thing than actually lying, and that saying that someone is childish is worse than actually being childish.
 * And did I claim at any point to be a new user? 37.152.231.22 (talk) 14:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This sort of demonstrates that your general attitude is disruptive, it's a battleground attitude. I'm leaving this for someone else to review. 331dot (talk) 14:30, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Clearly, you would consider any response from me in this situation to be disruptive. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 14:46, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Lies, swallowed
User:Ohnoitsjamie propagates the lies of User:Britishfinance, and now having been blocked I cannot respond directly.
 * some of the edits were fine (and I noted that Britishfinance has reinstated some of them) - they didn't do any such thing! Try looking at the article history.
 * "the IP's approach hostile from the beginning - The user had trashed my work in its entirety without explaining why. That was a hostile act. Do you really believe that my question to them was hostile but their destruction was not? 37.152.231.22 (talk) 13:55, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "Had they first gone to the talk page and said, "hey, can we discuss why my edits were removed" instead of aggressively edit-warring with multiple editors about it, we wouldn't be here" - apparently, though, it was hostile when I asked the user if they were familiar with the manual of style. Doubtless, you'd have considered anything I posted to be hostile. I have in fact asked repeatedly for relevant policies and guidelines to be identified, as I would appreciate knowing about any that I am not familiar with, but not a single one has been given. It's clear to me that you were aggressively keen to block me right from the start, regardless of the details of the case. Once you and others decided to trash my work without explaining why, there was no possible course of action available to me that you wouldn't have considered hostile. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 14:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Request
User:Swarm, you criticised User:Ohnoitsjamie directly and User:Britishfinance implicitly when you commented on this several days ago. User:Drmies for whatever reason ignored that, and has now blocked me. User:Ohnoitsjamie never responded to your criticism but has appeared at the noticeboard again to say that they approve of this block. So I wonder if you would like to comment on the developments. I assume you will receive a notification of this post. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 14:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh and...
...User:Drmies, you claimed on the noticeboard that there were "ongoing personal attacks". Diffs please? 37.152.231.22 (talk) 14:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The chatter about lies. Drmies (talk) 21:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I asked for diffs; you did not provide. What you seem to be saying is that you will construe anything negative that I may say about someone as a personal attack. That is spectacularly misguided, and the harmful results of your misapplication of this policy are clear. Recall that I significantly improved the article. Nobody posted any serious reasons why my changes should not have been made. And obviously there is no serious reason why incorrect grammar should not be fixed. The person who led the trashing lied, repeatedly, about what they had done and what I had done, as I documented carefully with diffs. And yet, you endorsed their lies and blocked me specifically for pointing them out. You helped to force basic grammatical errors into the article.
 * You are obviously not here to build an encyclopaedia. Maybe you think you are, but you are not. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should try not saying anything negative about other editors, and just focus on the content instead. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I fixed grammar errors. That was "focusing on content". The only time I am not able to focus on content is when editors like you pester me. So go focus on content yourself. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 10:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

More vandalism
Well that is utterly disgusting. Yet another editor has just trashed all of my work for no reason. All the grammar errors, all the style errors that I fixed, all put back, for no reason. The repeated, aggressive and utterly pointless trashing of my work by multiple editors is truly shocking. But User:Drmies, you obviously approve. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 14:56, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Due to your continued battleground attitude, ownership mentality and disruption, I am removing your ability to edit this page. Your request will remain open, but if it is declined, you will need to use WP:UTRS for further appeals while you are blocked.  If this behavior continues after the block expires, you will likely be blocked for longer in the future. 331dot (talk) 15:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no such attitude or mentality. Major projection going on there. Fixing grammar errors is not disruption. Insulting and attacking me for fixing grammar errors is. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020
Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks for persistently making disruptive edits. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If this is a shared IP address and you are an uninvolved editor with a registered account, you may continue to edit by logging in.

I really regret having to block you.
I wanted to expand on what I have put in my rationale for blocking you.

I am quite in sympathy with your wishes to improve the one article you have become passionately interested in (Lists of mountains and hills in the British Isles). I think I see what you're trying to achieve - and it's a subject I am also interested in. But the disruption your approach to editing has, and is causing, is not, in my view, worth the benefits your edits are bringing. This disruptive and belligerent attitude, and constant reverting has continued after your short two day block expired in EXACTLY the same manner. I now don't care if you are right in what you are trying to achieve - you are wrong in the way you have failed to work constructively with other editors. If you want to return to constructive editing, or wish to be unblocked, we need to know that you understand why the manner in which you have edited has been disruptive. (WP:3RR gives some idea over this.) If you can't keep that approach in check yourself, then administrators will have to do it for you. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * And here we have yet another editor seeking to besmirch my editing record. When blocking me, User:Nick Moyes states:


 * I am in sympathy with this editors wishes to improve the one article they have become interested in.
 * Why on earth would you state that I am interested in just one article? Just look at the already lengthy list of articles I improved, just from this IP address, one of thousands that I have edited from. What would lead you to patronisingly suggest that I am "passionately" interested in that article? I happened to notice some major problems with the grammar and formatting, and I fixed them. That is because I am a diligent and capable editor, working to make the best possible free encyclopaedia. I might never have looked at the article ever again, were it not for the insane subsequent developments of multiple editors forcing all the errors right back into the article.
 * I think see what they're trying to achieve - and it's a subject I am also interested in.
 * You only think? What is preventing you from fully understanding the benefits of the edits I made?
 * But the disruption they are causing is not worth the benefits their edits bring.
 * So, improving an article is disruptive and therefore the improvements are not worth the improvements. OK.
 * And this disruption has continued after a short two day block in EXACTLY the same manner.
 * The article remained grammatically incorrect. Obviously, obviously, I was going to fix that. I am a diligent and capable editor. Once again, fixing grammatical errors is not disruptive. Putting them right back into the article is disruptive.
 * I don't care if they are right in what they are trying to achieve
 * Yep, that's quite clear. 37.152.231.22 (talk) 12:47, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * IP: My post above overlapped with your unblock request, and this addendum then conflicted with your bulleted list above (which I am not going to be responding to in this short post). You may wish to review how you present your unblock request in the light of what I have said here. You certainly aren't going to find anyone sympathetic to your unblock request as it stands because it fails to appreciate the disruption you are, unfortunately, causing. Good grammar is not the point here; good editing behaviour is. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Let me try and offer some encouragement. I've been an editor on Wikipedia for many years and have learned that it is basically a democracy. We move forward by agreement and consensus. Of course, sometimes we can't agree and then, in my experience, the best thing to do is leave it and move on to something more productive. Disagreement can often be overcome by dialogue or resolved by 'voting' and, as in any democracy, we have to accept the majority view, however wrong we feel it is. What never works is trying to force one's views on other editors or bludgeon them through by edit-warring. That just makes other editors switch off to any logic in the argument because it's been effectively overtaken by a 'declaration of war' and when that happens people just defend themselves. So what I'm saying is, when you return to editing, please try the better approach. Be civil, follow WP:BRD and if you edits are reverted, put your case on the talk page, listen to other views and be prepared to accept the majority view. Many edits will go uncontested; others will be accepted if you are polite and persuasive, others may not be accepted first time, but succeed later on; and others will never be accepted because we are a democracy and democracies aren't perfect. Above all, stay chilled - Wikipedia is a first world luxury, not vital to stay alive. Bermicourt (talk) 15:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

There won't be an unblock request. This is a banned LTA and talk page access has been removed. — Berean Hunter   (talk)  11:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)