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Again, welcome! Drmies (talk) 13:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Drmies. Than you for this message.  I don't usually edit wikipedia pages, but this one was an exception because I think it is insane that a crackpot who believes he has proven that P=NP has a wikipedia page.  He self publishes AI generated nonsense papers on research gate probably because he is unable to publish on the arxiv, and appears to use sock puppets to evade having his article being deleted. I assure you that I am not trying to vandalize anything but it seems kind of crazy that this page exists. 37.167.74.172 (talk) 13:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If you look at the history and the AfD you'll see that I have been at that article before (I had totally forgotten), and it was a horrible promotional piece based on the subject's own work--but you went a bit overboard, and didn't use the kind of arguments (in your edit summaries) that are acceptable here. I looked again at the first AfD and I assure you that the editors who voted "keep" there may have been badly mistaken, but I didn't see any evidence of socking, and one or two are longtime editors, still active, whose opinion I respect even when I disagree. I don't think this article will be deleted--but I also hope you saw that I removed/tweaked those spam links. Thanks for the note, Drmies (talk) 01:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Drmies Sorry for going overboard. If you look at the history of the page, the person who created this page and was the sole contributor for some time was banned for sock puppetting.  The subject of the page himself was permanent banned from Wikimedia and appeared to, strangely, fake his own death to evade it.  Also the person who contributed the most to the article after the other account was banned for sock puppetting is acting suspiciously quite a lot like the subject of the wikipedia page.  Making "technical" arguments defending the incoherent "proof" of P=NP of the subject of the page is a huge red flag for me. This guy is also boasting on behalf of the subject of the page that his P=NP "proof" is posted on the famous web page of P vs. NP cranks. I am not sure how sock puppetting can be more definitely proven, but at the very least it is extremely suspicious, and there are many red flags.  78.241.183.184 (talk) 16:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, I have my doubts about User:Frank Layden--I'm not going to link them--but they're long gone; that's the one you have in mind, no doubt. We'll see if trouble returns. Again, that article is not likely to be deleted, though I disagree with the reasons for why it was kept, so the best we can do is to make it as good as we can. And you can help: the article needs secondary sourcing. Was this guy ever written up in a journal, a review, an anything? Drmies (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're other question, about proof: there is no way there could be technical proof; login data are kept only for three months. You could make a charge based on behavior at WP:SPI, but after all these years there's really no point. Drmies (talk) 20:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't really search very deep. But the only third party reference I was able to find discussing him outside of Wikipedia/Wikimedia is the famous web page by a well respected complexity theorist making fun of crackpots who think they have proven that P=NP or that P!=NP. All of the recent activity which is most easily found is self published, and not through the usual academic channels.
 * He may have been a serious scientist in his previous domain, but all of the material which is biographical in nature seem to be self-published. Even the NASA source that was mentioned in the deletion vote seemed to have no formal connection to NASA and seemed to be written by his company, which I imagine he founded/owned. 78.241.183.184 (talk) 22:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)