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DYK for Scottish art in the nineteenth century
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Battle of Nam Bac
Hello,

Your addition of an info box to the above is a nicely done and welcome one. Indeed, I am afraid to meddle with it for fear of spoiling it. However, one belligerent force has been forgotten: the Royal Lao Air Force. Could you be so kind as to dub it in?

Georgejdorner (talk) 20:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I used Royal Lao Armed Forces to represent both the army and the air force, but per your request I specified the forces involved.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:23, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Dan Smith (American musician)
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Listener (musician) a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Dan Smith (American musician). This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

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 * I'm not sure what this has to do with me - I don't remember doing this copy-paste. You redirected the Dan Smith article to the Listener band article without any explanation as to why. The Dan Smith article does have some of the same content as the Listener band article, but that's merely because the Dan Smith article is summarizing what is in the Listener article. That kind of overlap is okay. I didn't create any of the major content in those articles anyway, so I don't know why you are bringing this to me.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Discussion regarding Template:Rating
Hi! I noticed from the template's talk page history that you seemed like an involved editor there who may have an opinion on a discussion going on at WP:ALBUMS about rendering ratings. Would you care to weigh in here? Dan56 (talk) 06:54, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I've already commented, but thanks anyway for the invite.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 06:56, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Lorde
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DYK for Blakumen
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Instead of a cheque...

 * You're welcome! Glad I could take part.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 05:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Szczytt
Hello, I am very glad that you will be reviewing this article. Best regards, Kmicic (talk) 14:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Industrial Revolution
Thank you for your thorough review of this article. I believe I will be able to address most of the issues you uncovered; however, because of a project I have taken on recently it will take me some time. Hopefully others can help also.Phmoreno (talk) 13:11, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I just wanted a response, so I know what's up. Good luck on your project!-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Ole Børud
The DYK project (nominate) 16:27, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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German occupation of Belgium during World War I
Hi 3family6 - thank you very much for taking on the review of Brabant Revolution and dealing with it so efficiently! I just wondered, if I can possibly ask, whether you might be willing to take on the GA review of another Belgian history article I've had nominated for some time. Unfortunately I'm going to have to take a wikibreak of several months from next month or so (real life calling unfortunately) so I am really hoping to have all my GA nominations wrapped up by then if at all possible! Anyway, let me know if you're willing to give it a quick look. All the best & thanks again, —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. I have quite a list of nominations to review, but I can adjust. I'm a contestant in the GA Cup, so I certainly don't mind more nominations to review.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:40, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi 3family6 - many thanks indeed for your excellent review! I've just got one more, if you possibly have a moment, Hubert Pierlot (on a similar theme) but I can certainly understand if you've had enough of Belgian history for one lifetime! All the best, —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that's fine, I'll take it on. It might take several days, though. At least my grad applications are done, so I've got more time.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 18:28, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * As for Belgian history, I don't know much about it other than what I got in Western Civ 101, so I love doing these reviews. I've done far more GARs for medieval Norse-Gaelic and Hungarian rulers, so three Belgian articles won't bother me.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 18:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That's funny, I'm in a similar position myself. Unfortunately exams still call too, so (hopefully) I'll be able to resist the temptation to return to Wiki for a bit. Hopefully I'll stop myself nominating any GAs any time soon anyway! Many thanks for taking it on - I've taken the liberty of awarding you a barnstar for your trouble too! Best of luck with the cup. —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thank you!-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 05:07, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Béla III of Hungary
Thank you for your review. Have a nice month. :) Borsoka (talk) 04:52, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Ladislaus III of Hungary
The child king joined his grandfather, Béla III. Thank you for it. Borsoka (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks, and good luck with your plans, on and off-Wiki!-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 17:30, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

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Turkic khanates
I think User:Uniquark9‎ does have a point regarding the definition of Turkic khanates. How about adding something like "This list does not include non-Turkic khanates that later became Turkicized" in the beginning of the List of Turkic dynasties and countries article, and then follow this rule in it? Or maybe try to add a separate section somewhere to specifically list Turkicized khanates? Obviously Turkic khanates and Turkicized khanates are not exactly the same thing. --Evecurid (talk) 02:39, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The list right now states "The following is an incomplete list of historical dynasties which had Turkic origins or the country they ruled were Turkic-speaking. The list also includes modern countries with significant Turkic populations or with an official Turkic language." And the listing of Golden Horde states "Majority of the population were Turkic peoples.[19]" So the list does include "non-Turkic khanates that became Turkicized," Uniquark9 is just trying to change the scope of the list without establishing consensus. The Golden Horde listing mentions that it is listed because of the majority population, so I really don't think much more elaboration is in order, although I think the notice should mention that it was established as a Mongolian khanate.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 03:30, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * As I was unable to find a discussion for this dispute in any of the related talk pages, I had to leave it in your talk page. I saw you just started a new thread in Talk:List of Turkic dynasties and countries, which is definitely a good thing. --Evecurid (talk) 03:51, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for initiating this. I do want these disputes to resolve.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:16, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

hi
thanks so much for your edits and your willingness to solve it:)Turkic_ Warrior 22:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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i am not nationalist, I have not done anything. i am on your side and i do not trust wikipedia, the Mongols agree not even whit refernser on for example naimans, khereid, golden horde etc.:@ Mehmeett21 16:19, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Richard III FAC
Hi 3family6, it's been a while since you last commented on Featured article candidates/Exhumation of Richard III of England/archive1 - are you happy with the current state of the article? I think I've tackled all of the issues that you raised. Prioryman (talk) 22:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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Edit war
I know you are trying to stop the edit war in List of Turkic dynasties and countries, but I think you have been involved in the edit war yourself as well. I believe it would be better for you to be calm down a little and become uninvolved in the war itself for a while too. In the mean time, it would probably be a good idea to try to solve the problem by other means, for example by referring to relevant Wikipedia policy for resolving such edit wars. As you might have noticed User:Damotclese had left a message in the article talk page recently. Do you by any chance know if it is an official policy of Wikipedia? Also are there any other Wikipedia policies applicable to current situation? Thanks. --Evecurid (talk) 22:23, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean about if it is official policy. The comment that Damotclese left was their comment, nothing more, nothing less. Their mention about how entries should be based on reliable sources is referring to Wikipedia policy. Their comment about languages is not referring to any specific policy or guideline.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:48, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * What I meant in my previous comment is that I would like to know any relevant Wikipedia policies for resolving edit wars in such situation, and it may also be a better idea for you to resolve such situation by directly referring to Wikipedia policies (and by linking to the policy page at the same time). Obviously I know the comment that Damotclese left was their comment, but what I wanted to know is that if it is an actual Wikipedia policy that the actual edits should mostly depend on the existence of suitable references and the scholars who wrote them, rather than the knowledge of the editors about the subject. Sorry I might not have explained things well in my previous message. --Evecurid (talk) 05:09, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * That's fine, thanks for clarifying. The policy is verifiability, which states "Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." The content guideline associated with this policy is WP:RS, which helps editors understand the consensus on how to use, and what counts as, reliable sources here on the English language Wikipedia.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 05:13, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. The basic idea for WP:RS is straightforward, and I think it is not the real issue in our particular case (I am referring to the edit war). But how about more complicated situations, such as when there is a source saying so, but other editors are sure that is in fact not the case, or editors are sure that the info in one source is better than the other source? Compared with the basic idea of WP:RS, these are more relevant to our situations. That is why I mentioned that I would like to know any *relevant* Wikipedia (sub)-policies for resolving edit wars in our particular case. Hope you can get what I mean. --Evecurid (talk) 05:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * In the case of disputes, Wikipedia policy is that editors should develop a consensus, which is what we are now attempting to do on the talk page. There is an essay which, though not a policy or guideline, helps explain how the process works. When you get sources that disagree or conflict with one another, Wikipedia's policy on neutrality holds that all major views be presented. This is also something that consensus can help flesh out - which sources do we consider authoritative? For what? And why? I agree with you that I need to step back myself in editing the article, since I'm getting caught up in the edit war.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 06:23, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Genghis Khan
FYI, I've opened a sock puppet investigation re Uniquark9. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 14:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I lost my cool a bit last night and got carried away with this editor and their stubbornness, so thank you for intervening here.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 16:02, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Read your source. the Lane's book: It stated clearly the whole thing is a conjecture, not only the place. Tell your professor it seems he/she has wrong info. https://books.google.com/books?id=d2SWstj6j3AC&lpg=PP1&dq=Genghis%20Khan%20and%20Mongol%20Rule%20%20By%20George%20Lane&pg=PA23#v=onepage&q=Genghis%20Khan%20and%20Mongol%20Rule%20%20By%20George%20Lane&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uniquark9 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , though we've gotten along badly, and your activities are frequently disruptive, you do good research, and have a better working knowledge in this area than I do. There's still a lot of work to be done on the Genghis Khan and other Mongol-related articles, so I hope that we can both deal with this in a better way, and be more productive editors.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 17:33, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Historical sources: The Secret History of Mongols, Altan Tobchi, Rashid Ad-din's Compendium of Chronicles and ]]Yuan Shi]]. The Secret History and Altan Tobchi have vey similar contents and Compendium of Chronicles was written by a persian historian during the Ilkhanate. Yuan shi is considered less reliable because it was written during the Ming dynasty by chinese historians and "it has been criticised by imperial Chinese scholars for its lack of quality and numerous errors, attributed to the haste with which it was compiled."(excerpt from its page) Except these few sources there is no other historical record. I really want to read the original proposal by Ratchnevsky, unfortunately nothing is found. Also theory is a very strong word, suggestion/hypothesis is more appropriate. I guess you couldn't find any other source which has not quoted or mentioned Ratchnevsky's suggestion on this case. So the rule is "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources". Ratchnevsky's claim can be be considered as a exceptional source? Probably not. So i am wondering if it's even worth mentioning?Uniquark9 (talk) 05:22, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Forgot to mention Plano Carpini and William of Rubruck.Uniquark9 (talk) 06:02, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The Secret History of the Mongols is a literary work, not a historical record, but since it's the only source for most of the early events in Chinggis Khan's life, we have to use it, though with some discretion (for instance, the talking head scene is probably not something to be mentioned as a real historical event). But yes, having taken a class in Mongol History, those sources you mentioned are the only one's we have to work with. I want to read the scholarship by Ratchnevsky as well. But his claim is not exceptional, since many historians apparently lend some credence to it. Whether you think that they should or not doesn't matter for Wikipedia, since Wikipedia merely summarizes the opinions found in reliable sources, and doesn't publish original research.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:06, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thanks for your review! I've taken your advice and started an FAC to obtain closer scrutiny. Shii (tock) 18:55, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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New History Warfare Vol. 3: To See More Light
Hi there. thanks for taking the GA review on for New History Warfare Vol. 3: To See More Light - I've been waiting a while, so I appreciate it. Just one thing to note, though: I'm going away for a few days and will likely have no internet access between Monday 9 and Friday 13 of February - I hope this isn't going to harm the article's chances of promotion, since I'll not be able to edit it during that period. I'll definitely be back from Saturday 14 February though, and I'll give it my full attention. Any queries, let me know. Thanks again! — sparklism hey! 12:08, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that's fine, thanks for letting me know, . I'll focus on other articles in the mean time.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:39, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Just letting you know: I'm back online. Ready when you are. Cheers! :) — sparklism hey! 15:54, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * OK!-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:56, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow! That was painless - many thanks!! :) — sparklism hey! 17:36, 14 February 2015 (UTC)