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3family6, it is best practice to mention on the FLC page when you've made changes in response to reviews, but in this case the lack of reviewing activity was the reason I closed it. There was only one (small) review in two months, which is never going to be enough to promote a list. We simply can't keep the older nominations up indefinitely, especially when FLC nears 40 nominations like it is now. Two months is usually about the longest we'll let an FLC go on without any support. When you renominate the list, you might consider reviewing a few more noms, particularly in the music field. I've noticed that some music lists are having trouble attracting reviews, and maybe those nominators would be appreciative and offer you help. Not that I advocate quid pro quo reviewing, but I think we all have a tendency to help those who have helped us before. I hope this advice helps, and wish you better luck if you decide to renominate. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 15:10, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. I think I did some QPQ already, and certainly will continue to do so.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Lecrae
Please drop me a line when you renominate Lecrae's list. I had actually intended to review this a while back and forgot. --JFH (talk) 01:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC) I see you already did.--JFH (talk) 01:56, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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Since I saw you reverted (most) of my edits, I wanted to discuss it with you before doing anything else about it. I've been listening to every band on this list for months now and looking through their articles to determine whether or not the bands were actually nu metal. I started doing this after seeing quite a few bands that weren't nu metal on the list, though most of them were deleted at some point. I do feel that at least most of the links I cited for the bands were at least as worthwhile as other links on many of the bands listed, and that the bands I removed didn't exhibit signs of nu metal. I would love to discuss this, and at the very least I would like to mention that a band I deleted (and was put back), Scare Don't Fear, is linked to another page, and they don't have a page of their own.

Squareroot7 (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2016 (UTC)Squareroot7Squareroot7 (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to contribute, and to discuss. Basically, all entries have to be supported by reliable sources. Wikipedia does not make new, unpublished content. It merely summarizes what existing sources state. Thus, while you may be an expert in nu metal, we cannot know that your credentials are indeed what you as an editor purport them to be (there have been some famous cases of falsely claimed credentials by Wikipedia editors), and, even then, your opinion would be original. Now, if you work, either for pay or as a volunteer, for a reputable source of music journalism or music criticism, and you write a piece that is published by that source with the oversight of an editor, than your opinion in that piece is valid for use on Wikipedia.
 * Now, with a genre like nu metal, the definitions and labels have always been contentious. Sources have trouble even defining exactly what nu metal is (for instance, nu metal as opposed to alt metal or rap metal), and many bands object to the label. All of the bands listed, including many of those that you added, are described in reliable sources as performing nu metal, and though you might disagree with those sources, their statements should not be ignored to suit your opinion. What if another editor disagrees with your assessment? And clearly, some reputable sources do.
 * Finally, I did try to preserve your additions. However, one source didn't even mention nu metal, so that band wasn't supported (by that source, another might support it), and another used a statement by the band itself, which isn't a reliable independent source. And at least one source (maybe two, I don't remember) did not meet the guidelines for reliable sources. Sputnikmusic is only reliable if the content is clearly attributable to one of the staff members, who are identified as such in all content that they contribute.
 * I hope this helps explain things.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 05:01, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

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Your draft article, User:3family6/Helvete (journal)


Hello, 3family6. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Helvete (journal)".

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 * Hi, This was moved to your userspace over 6 months ago and nothing has happened to it since. Do you intend to work on it? Articles like this one are not supposed to sit in userspace indefinitely. --Randykitty (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I want to work on it, but I've been waiting to see if more coverage of the journal will come out when it releases its third issue, which has been continually delayed. This was moved to userspace as a way to preserve it, as the coverage for it at the time was at the threshold of notability. As the article stood, at least one editor would have voted to keep it had I not already suggested that the article be moved to my userspace. So, had I not suggested the userfication, this article may have stood. I will take a look to see if I can improve it some more. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I also have several other articles sitting in my userspace that I've left unfinished, so this will motivate to complete them as well.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:17, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * My bad, I restored it again.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:52, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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If you're not too busy, would you be able to look at my FLC for Evanescence's discography?  danny music editor  Speak up! 17:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, jeez. I just looked at Talk:Kaga ikki/GA1 and saw your comment at the bottom. If you decide to do this, please, take your time!  danny music editor  Speak up! 18:02, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, I dont want what is for you reliable source. here polish wikipedia: in polish language Najazd mongolski doprowadził do dużych zniszczeń na ziemiach polskich, ale nie doprowadził, jak to się stało w przypadku Rusi, do uzależnienia kraju od najeźdźcy
 * I provided many sources but you dont accept any source. Today part of:  Mean country boundaries of present day, Poland was never conquered by Mongol Empire, but  only invaded and devastatet. Poland lost never independence during Mongol invasion. Possible westernmost boundary of Empire was present day Western Ukraine and Belarus, very close to Polish border.  After Fall of Golden Horde these areas were occupied by Poland-Lithuania until Partitions of Poland on 18-th century.
 * These GIF-File with Mongol Empire was created by user, i dont know from which sources. On other site some panturkists claimed that Mongol Empire stretched to Western Poland but this is no reliable source. As already mentioned  Poland was never vassal of Mongols.
 * https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_najazd_mongolski_na_Polsk%C4%99#Skutki_najazdu

in polish language mean that Poland was devastated but not conquered by Empire in contrast to Kievan Rus.

Here Poland during polish King Władysław I Łokietek of years 1275 - 1300, Eastern Boundary of Poland is Halich-Volhynia
 * https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_I_%C5%81okietek#/media/File:Polska_WladLokietka_(1275-1300).png
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Galicia%E2%80%93Volhynia#/media/File:Kingdom_of_Galicia_Volhynia_Rus%27_Ukraine_1245_1349.jpg

Aftermath of Mongol invasion of Poland
 * http://www.liquisearch.com/mongol_invasion_of_poland/aftermath

I hope you understand me. 91.17.56.235 (talk) 14:53, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for discussing this here instead of continuing to revert on the article. First off, I do understand that Poland used to control a MASSIVE amount of territory, stretching from the Baltic to the Black Sea. However, both of the sources that I mentioned in my one edit summary are using the modern-day countries and regions, not the medieval polities, in their descriptions of the territorial control of Poland. Second, the list of "countries today" in the infobox on the Mongol Empire article is not a list of countries that the Mongols conquered, but countries that they controlled. Pan-turkists might argue (strangely, since the Mongol Empire, though composed partly of Turkic peoples, was Mongol in majority rule) that Western Poland was conquered by the Mongols, but I've never seen a source that has claimed that. Now, as to the map currently used in the article: The Western boundary (as well as the South-eastern boundary) of the Mongol Empire is difficult to define, and it seems that it was often in flux. The current map was based off various books, atlases, and some maps from different, online academic sources. Unfortunately, some of the links to those online maps are broken. Two others support your assertion that the Mongols did not control as far as the current map has. I think the foremost source used for the Western boundary is this map, which was not created by a reliable source. That map has the Mongols occupying the territory of Poland and Hungary for about a year, which is what sources confirm. But that is a far earlier date than 1279. However, there are the two book sources that I mentioned, which state that the Mongols did control parts of Poland. The first source I think we can discount, since the entire entry for the Mongols is quite brief, and also inaccurate as it gives a date of 1214 for the Mongols in Vietnam and parts of Poland, which is false. They hadn't even controlled Persia yet at that date. The second source is more reliable - it talks about the rule of Khubilai, which, even though the Mongol territories were effectively four different empires, the Mongols were at their greatest territorial extent. So that source would support the map. I really think that this map needs to be revisited - I've mentioned it myself before. For one, it has the Empire as unified in 1279, when in reality it had already split. In the time being, I think it is best to leave the article as it is, as that is the most researched map that we have, and contact the creator to see if they can explain why the map is done the way that it is.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 03:45, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello

From history i know that Poland was invaded by three times,   first 1241, second 1259-1260 and third 1287-1288 on 13-th century.
 * The invasions lastet only some weeks or months
 * Polish parts controlled by Mongols were such as Lwów area, today Ukraine.
 * I see two books (you gave link to books) that mentioned that Mongols controlled some parts Poland
 * From various sources there great diferences over extent of Mongol Empire, is very hard to say which is most reliable source.
 * I have a historical book with historical maps to home

Here Historical Book of Poland with maps (on the current topic sites from 30 to 35) about late 13-th century and early 14-th century
 * https://books.google.de/books?id=eQv_ZR85ePoC&pg=PA33&dq=atlas+historyczny+polski+1280&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjl_quPh7TPAhXnQZoKHXONAQsQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=atlas%20historyczny%20polski%201280&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.17.56.235 (talk) 07:33, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Here example from turkish source about Mongol Empire, created possibly by panturkist.
 * http://www.turkcebilgi.com/mo%C4%9Fol_imparatorlu%C4%9Fu

You can scroll down to Moğol İmparatorluğu Resimleri here small image you can enlarge this image,   acording this map Mongol Empire stretched to German state Holy Roman Empire. This is for me not reliable source. Here direct link to Mongol Empire from one turkish site.
 * http://www.turkcebilgi.com/uploads/media/resim/premongol2.png

best regards 91.17.56.235 (talk) 07:11, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I agree that the second map is not accurate or reliable. The first link has a copy of the GIF used in the Mongol Empire article, which is based (mostly) on reliable sources. I have also found this source, which says that the Mongol Empire stretched up to the border of modern day Poland. The current map in the Mongol Empire article infobox has just a tip of the Empire going into a small part of Poland, which seems consistent with what sources say.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 02:46, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

This is possible because that Halych-Vollhynia added as vassal to control of Mongol Empire. Some historians said simply that stretched to Poland. 84.149.255.39 (talk) 08:00, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that is the answer. This source and this source mention how Halych-Volhynia was an (unwilling) vassal to the Mongols, and this source states that "Galicia–Volhynia extended between the rivers San and Wieprz in what is now south-eastern Poland..." This seems to resolve things. Are you content with this?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:45, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Travie McCoy and Gym Class Heroes
Can you handle the genre with reliable sources? 123.136.112.176 (talk) 07:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look tonight, if I can squeeze it in.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 12:54, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

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