User talk:3family6/Archive 2

Invitation to the December Wikification Drive
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Wikify at 01:15, 2 December 2011 (UTC).

Edit
You know people like you me off, you don't know  about Metal and you just talk , If I wasn't here then there would be no page for Brachiosauride on this website, I had the same issue with moderators of the  wikipedia about two other pages too (Sunn O))) and Vattnet Viskar) I wanna help your site about Underground Metal music bands and you don't want it --46.70.56.240
 * If you have constructive content that is can be verified by independent reliable sources, then go ahead and add it. I acknowledge that I do not know much about metal, I just research it and look for sourceable content. I have no problem with any band, underground or not, being on Wikipedia, as long as the article meets the standards of Wikipedia.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 18:46, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Reliable sources in case of unpopular music
Greets. Found my add to the 'Avant-garde metal' article deleted, because the source cited is not considered to be reliable. It first turned me simply furious, but I try to see the problem larger. Avant-garde metal is a genre that is quite hard to call mainstream. Many bands are really underground. Like Lux Occulta, or Phlebotomized. For some reasons these bands are still very underrated due to the lack of attention to their music. But if you give them a listen, being an expert, you will easily discover that they are real avant-garde. I think the whole article concerned should be revised: calling Celtic Frost or Agalloch avant-garde while rejecting Opeth from the list seems pure nonsense to me as a fan of this kind of music. But my question is about something else: how is it possible that I cite a reliable source for a band that is unfairly underrated and therefore not reviewed in serious zines? There are hundreds of cases like that of Lux Occulta, so no place in Wiki for them? This is not a reproach to you, but I would be really grateful if you could at least point me at the ways of solving the problem. Thanks in advance!--Alex Vynogradoff (talk) 20:52, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I really don't know what to say. I agree that the avant-garde metal article is not that great, but it is very, very hard to find any reliable sources that discuss it, I've pretty much used all the reliable internet sources available to get the article to its current state. For Lux Occulta, I would just say keep looking. Your best bet for a good, reliable mention is MusicMight/Rockdetector or Blabbermouth.net. Allmusic has an article on them, but it doesn't mention avant-garde or experimental metal. Hope you can find something,--&iquest;3family6 contribs 21:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Your article has been moved to AfC space
Hi! I would like to inform you that the Articles for Creation submission which was previously located here: User:3family6/Crabcore has been moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Crabcore, this move was made automatically and doesn't affect your article, if you have any questions please ask on my talk page! Have a nice day. ArticlesForCreationBot (talk) 00:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
 Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. However, the reviewer felt that a few things need to be fixed before it is accepted. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved. (You can do this by adding the text to the top of the article.)
 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, you can find it at Wikipedia&.
 * To edit the submission, you can use the edit button at the top of the article, near the search bar
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Help desk or the [ reviewer's talk page]. Alternatively you can ask a reviewer questions via live help
 * Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia!  Chzz  ► 09:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Apologies
I did not realise that the article had been resubmitted. However I agree with Chzz that it needs stronger sources before being accepted. I do like the quantity, which would stop it from being Speedily Deleted, however I doubt it would survive an AFD. Sincerely, He's Gone Mental 13:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. I don't see how it does not meet WP:RS standards, but that's okay.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 13:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
 Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. However, the reviewer felt that a few things need to be fixed before it is accepted. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved. (You can do this by adding the text to the top of the article.)
 * If you would like to continue working on the submission, you can find it at Wikipedia&.
 * To edit the submission, you can use the edit button at the top of the article, near the search bar
 * If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Help desk or the [ reviewer's talk page]. Alternatively you can ask a reviewer questions via live help
 * Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:27, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification
Hi. In your recent article edits, you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.


 * Kay Kenyon (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added a link pointing to American


 * Melchor F. Cichon (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added a link pointing to Aklanon

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:16, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!


Wilhelmina Will (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Good tidings to you and your kin! :) Wilhelmina Will (talk) 09:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

RE: Merry Christmas!
Hey. I meant to get back to you earlier on this, but thanks for the Christmas wishes. I hope yours was a celebratory and worthwhile time. As long as it's relevant, I'll wish you a happy new year as well. Peace. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 02:08, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You're welcome and thanks.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 13:04, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification
Hi. In your recent article edits, you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.


 * Instinctive aiming (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added links pointing to Bow and Archer


 * Jacques van Meegeren (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added links pointing to Dutch and Brazilian


 * International Planetary Data Alliance (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added a link pointing to Planetary


 * Johan Jakobsson (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added a link pointing to Swedish


 * Log bucking (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added a link pointing to Sawmills


 * My Medical Education (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added a link pointing to English


 * S Murali (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)
 * added a link pointing to Sketching

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:08, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification
Hi. When you recently edited Extensor tendon compartments of the wrist, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Pollicis longus (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Viking metal
Have you actually found a source stating that Bathory's Blood Fire Death has its origins in folk music? Because if not, you're going to be struggling. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I also would like to see the justification for the reliability of The Metal Bible. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I left the article in a bit of a mess, in the middle of working on it I realized I needed to leave. I'm going to improve the wording when I integrate sources that I found. So I do plan on discussing the folk influence on Viking metal, and to integrate sources, I was just interrupted this morning.
 * With regard to Johannes Jonsson, in my edit summary I said that his site was "praised" by academic literature. To say "praised" is incorrect, I forgot how his work was examined. He wasn't really praised, instead he was used as a source in two separate academic works by Marcus Moberg.
 * The first work is a draft paper for a presentation given by Moberg at a global conference on heavy metal (info can be found here). On page 6 he quotes the Metal for Jesus! site and uses it as a reference.
 * The second source is a book by Moberg, I think its based off of his thesis paper. (As an aside, this book is probably the most extensive look at Christian metal ever done). In it he uses Jonsson heavily as a source (examples include pages 192, 209, and 211.), and he also takes an in depth look at The Metal Bible on pages 196-198. Though I can't remember if Moberg mentions Jonsson's involvement, Jonsson was in fact the organizer and I think publisher of that project.
 * Also, Jonsson has written two concert reviews for HM Magazine: -- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 19:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification
Hi. When you recently edited Viking metal, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Germanic (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Notification
Dispute resolution noticeboardCurb Chain (talk) 04:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify March Mini Drive
Delivered by benzband  ( talk ) on behalf of WikiProject Wikify 18:31, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 14
Hi. When you recently edited Team Sityodtong, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages West Chester, Ohio and Somerville (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:26, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation
 Chaos & Warfare, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article. You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you are more than welcome to continue submitting work to Articles for Creation. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! Aaron Booth (talk) 05:09, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk
 * If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider.

I love English
The phrase you added here, as "way in" is from a boxing term: to weigh-in.

I may not say it enough, but thanks for your work on the hard Christian genres on Wikipedia. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha! Yeah, that was a mistake on my part, I've almost done that with this particular phrase several times, but I usually catch myself. I obviously missed it this time.
 * You're welcome.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 02:26, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Yeah, I fixed the issue.-- Will C  05:53, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Chaos & Warfare
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 4
Hi. When you recently edited Avant-garde metal, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page All That Remains (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 13:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy Easter!
Happy Easter, 3family6! Hope your day is great! :) Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 10:35, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2012

 * Wow! Thanks!-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 00:59, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Screamo
"neither source is used for that claim"

Look at the edit that put the claim into the article. I'll quote it for you: "As for the loose definition of screamo, see reference #7 and #55"

PaganPanzerfaust (talk) 16:33, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see which edit you're talking about, but I didn't go that far back through the history. The statement and source you are removing though is not ref #7 or #55. I'm thinking that the numbers have changed, probably because sources were moved in the article or new refs were added. The statement you have been removing is sourced by ref #6 (which makes me think the numbers have changed). I've been suspicious of the reliability of that source for a while, I'm putting up a questionable tag.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 00:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 15
Hi. When you recently edited Lake Rachael, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Swimming (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Post-Metal.
Hello. I'm not going to make the so called "editor war" or whatever, I just want to understand your point. In my opinion if the creators of the genre started out as sludge, this should be noted in the style's origins. What else are the origins if not the music background of the founders? Plus - I listen to this kind of music and all I see is most of the bands described also as sludge metal or atmospheric sludge metal - there surely is some overlapping that should be noted too.Xr 1 (talk) 13:12, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for asking for clarification, I wish more people did that. The origins section is for what styles of music that the genre/style in question developed out of. Yes, the founders of post-metal (maybe excluding Helmet, I don't know enough about that band) are sourced as sludge, but no sources have been provided that post-metal itself came out of sludge. It's a subtle but very crucial difference. The styles do overlap, and this is mentioned in the article, but we need a definitive source saying that post-metal came out of sludge. I know that it did, but I third-party reliable source has to state this.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 16:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for you answer, I'm happy that we are arguing but not fighting. I understand what you are saying, but I still think that if Neurosis laid the ground for what's to come and Oceanic by Isis is the first post-metal album which everyone is inspired by, their influnces are what's important. However, as I said, I'm not going to add sludge again and again. Xr 1 (talk) 07:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, and thanks again for not making a huge deal out of this. I understand where you are coming from, it's just that making that jump is original research, specifically original synthesis. The big problem with argument you have put forward is that Helmet and Tool are also cited as pioneers, and as far a I know they did not really embrace sludge.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 11:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I actually haven't paid much attention to those bands in particular. That was my mistake. I suggest some brief mentioning about Neurosis and Isis being related to the sludge scene - I didn't see it exactly specified in the article.Xr 1 (talk) 14:08, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't exactly mention them. Right now the article says: "As a label, some see post-metal as redundant, since some bands listed as post-metal contain many elements similar to doom metal, progressive metal, sludge metal, and stoner metal." If you have verifiable material on Isis and Neurosis being sludge (this is probably on their articles), than go ahead and create a small mention.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 17:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I used the sources I previously put in the talk page, I think they are reliable - the source about Isis is from AllMusic's review, and now the article says "Although Neurosis and Godflesh appeared earlier and display elements befitting post-metal, Isis, who like Neurosis[7] were involved in the sludge metal scene,[8] are often credited with laying down the conventions and definition of the genre in less nebulous terms, with their release of Oceanic in 2002.[9]" I used "were" because they broke up.Xr 1 (talk) 20:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 01:20, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Hello. I'm actually familiar with WP:RS and that is exactly why I chose the two sources you removed from List of symphonic metal bands. While there are lots of fanzines that post user-written reviews and comments, these two sites work with a defined staff. Powermetal.de is published by Weihrauch Medien Verlag, a professional publishing house and CDstarts is a also a business (GbR is a type of legal status in Germany) that does reviews for profit with a professional staff and a professional marketing background (see their imprint. If such sites are not reliable for you I recommend that you remove all instances of MusicMight from that list as well, not to mention this. Regards, De728631 (talk) 22:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC).
 * Sorry, I was a little overzealous and unfamiliar with these sources. Actually, I'm glad to hear that Powermetal.de is reliable, because it often shows up a lot in my searches for sources and could potentially be very valuable. Thanks,-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 23:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 23
Hi. When you recently edited Noise in music, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page My Bloody Valentine (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Whats the difference between Metalcore, Hardcore Punk, and Screamo
Ah i see so Metalcore is a heavier form of metal, Hardcore Punk a heavier form of Punk with screamed and Screamo heavier version of emo? Ericdeaththe2nd (talk) 17:18, 23 April 2012 (UTC)ericdeaththe2ndEricdeaththe2nd (talk) 17:18, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Almost. Metalcore is a heavier form of metal mixed with hardcore, or vice versa. But other than that, yes.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 19:13, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

RE: Vandalism
I don't think I'm trying to accomplish anything. I would love to be able to do something about the utter tripe on the page (and others), but it goes a bit deeper than just arguing about the content; it's Wikipedia's rules that are the problem. I think we need to be more judgemental regarding reliable sources, because some of them present legitimate misinformation. Sadly, I can't do anything about this; the problem should be brought up somewhere higher up, but I'm not going to be able to change Wikipedia policy. I feel powerless; the most I can do is vandalise pages to let off some steam.

I'll stop the vandalism, but aside from that I have no idea what to do about this stuff. --LordNecronus (talk) 17:01, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That's no excuse for vandalism, and thank you for desisting. Are there any particular pieces of information or listings on the avant-garde metal page that are a problem?-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 17:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I could bring up specific bands (and I did ages ago in the case of Pentagram), but I don't think it would really get to the heart of the issue. Basically, my problem is that bands are being added simply if a source refers to them as "avant-garde metal" or "experimental metal", regardless of whether the source is written by an expert on the style or not, whether the source has anything to do with metal or not, or whether the source actually explains how the artist in question is experimental/avant-garde or not. I think we should look at the source and then compare the artist being referred to as part of the genre to the reliably-sourced definition we already have on the article ("it is characterized by the use of innovative, avant-garde elements, large-scale experimentation, and the use of non-standard and unconventional sounds, instruments, song structures, playing styles, and vocal techniques") to see if they fit; but, of course, that involves questioning WP:RS, and in order to actually make this article somewhat accurate and non-contradictory, I'd need to try and convince higher-ups to alter the reliable source rule... not that they'll listen. --LordNecronus (talk) 19:30, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand. If a band has only one passing mention, that isn't always enough to get it listed, so even if a reliable source calls it avant-garde or experimental metal, you could challenge the band being listed if that is the only mention. If you think a source is unreliable, you should definitely challenge it.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 19:59, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 30
Hi. When you recently edited Collela Mazee, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Nyanza (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 10:26, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Heavy metal subgenres
It seems someone has removed Cello Metal as well as other edits that may not have consensus. I don't know the subject well enough or what consensus has been reached. You or others familiar with the article may wish to go over it again.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:03, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll go over it. I'm not sure about all of the consensus, as I've only been watching this page for about six months, but I'll make sure nothing strange was done to the article.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 21:10, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Strange? Wikipedia? No such thing! Except maybe the April 3, 2012 edit to Got Milk? You are very welcome by the way.--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:27, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Armageddon Holocaust
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:05, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Bring Me The Horizon talk page
Hey there, sorry to bother you. But I'm inviting editors to contribute to this discussion on the Bring Me the Horizon talk page. Care to weigh in again if you have time? An editor seems to disagree about the use of a genre in the article, whether or not you agree with me is irrelevant in this post. I believe this discussion needs additional editors to build consensus. Thanks. Jonjonjohny (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Why
Surely a source is either reliable or not. Elucidate Syxxpackid420 (talk) 00:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Is this in reference to the crunkcore page? The school newspaper is unreliable in this instance because it is an April Fools issue. Surely you understand why that would be unacceptable.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 02:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

No it was in reference to Job for a Cowboy Syxxpackid420 (talk) 17:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay, that makes more sense. I was just following the consensus on the review site list. I actually did not know why this was the case, but because you asked I tracked down the discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 40. I have found that my initial assumption, that the site underwent a reorganization, was correct. But there is more to it than that. Apparently, in the late 00s the site started to be referenced by reliable publications. I only skimmed through the discussion, so I don't know exactly why 2009 was chosen as the specific date, but that was what was agreed upon.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 18:44, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Re Metalstorm
Could you please point me to an example of a Metalstorm article being published by a notable third-party source? You appear to be stating (for instance, on the technical death metal article) that staff reviews somehow pass WP:RS. I'd be interested to know how. Please remember that being cited by someone else is meaningless, as is the "editorial oversight" of any given webzine. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:41, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Metalstorm was deemed reliable by a discussion on the Album review sources page. Here is the discussion archive: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 40.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 20:17, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Format
All the other list articles have this formatting. And extra ==List== is stating the obvious. This is a aesthetic issue so I don't think you should contravene standard for personal preferences.Curb Chain (talk) 02:03, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Regarding your request for entries on input between the challenged entries: which editor have challenged the entries, and which entries are they, because when you directed me to the talk page I saw more than one editor in discussion with you.Curb Chain (talk) 02:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * First point: I'll try to find another way to fix the aesthetics. Second point: LordNecronus was the original editor. I asked some other editors to help out as well, so that's why their comments are there.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 02:21, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I did not know that having a list heading was not standard, my first encounters with band list articles had that heading, so that is what I assumed was the standard, and it is a lot easier to navigate. Like I said, I'll try to find a less redundant solution.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 02:24, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I realized that it is not redundant, because it distinguishes the alphabetical list from the references and see also sections.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 02:28, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is patently obvious. You don't need to section off the list alphabetically.  The article is a list so to make another heading is repetitive if not redundant.  Unless you plan to relist the entries again in another taxonomy.Curb Chain (talk) 04:24, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If anything, the format I used is more of the standard. As a reader, it is a lot easier to use the list this way as well. Finally, I'll probably do what I originally wanted to due, and that is add a section listing record labels and possibly regional scenes.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you think now? I put in those two sections.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

June 2012 Wikification Drive
Delivered by MessageDeliveryBot on behalf of WikiProject Wikify at 15:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC).

DYK for Noise in music
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

List of gothic rock bands
Hi there, it's me again. There is some minor kerfuffel (is that how that's spelt? I've never written it down) over at the above linked article. Essentially it is one concerning sourcing; we have a new editor that is of the True Goff Is the Only Goff variety (you know, like the metal purists and punk purists that turn up on other lists). Unfortunately, this means that they don't really acknowledge that other viewpoints may exist (my opinion is irrelevant, obviously, but for the record I'm a tradgoth type of person, much like said editor, but realise that other viewpoints exist in reliable sources in the press; they however have perhaps just jumped on my username and made some assumptions). Sourced material is systematically removed with no reference to policy (well, apart from the fact that they disagree with WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:RS in general), and whilst I have tried to remain civil in the light of a fair amount of abuse, I've left a final message at the bottom of the talk page with a solution that we've adopted at other contentious articles, e.g. the list of nu metal bands. I don't anticipate much positive reaction, but I did say I'd ask some other editors to look at it, particularly editors that I haven't always seen eye to eye with in the past, so as to avoid accusations of gaming the system. I thought you'd fit the bill as we've frequently disagreed about things but seem to be able to work together pretty well to improve the project :-) I'd appreciate it if you could spare some time to take a look, as I'm not going to commit a WP:3RR violation and I'm not getting anywhere through dialogue with this particular editor. (Sent to a couple of other people as well.) Cheers, Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The more I look at that NME article, the more flaws I find in it. Latest it's that it's a blog post under which NME places an "opinion" disclaimer. It's an editorial that NME itself hasn't backed. Is that STILL a reliable source? And yet again, I've accepted Evanescence because some writer did call them "goth rock" in the lead of an article. But "goth rock" is not referred to in the NME article for Marilyn Manson. To ASSUME that "goth track" "80s goth" etc equates to gothic rock is the same synthesis you complained about. I will absolutely not accept that source unless you can specifically explain to me the logical process by which you derive "gothic rock" from the text. If you can do that, I will back down. Until that point, you are using a reference *which does say what you say it does* and as such it is *not* a reliable source for that information. I also can't believe it took me this long to notice that the list isnt' even goth rock tracks, but just "Goth tracks". I'd have decimated this as a source ages ago if I had. - BalthCat (talk)


 * I'm replying on the list talk page.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 01:21, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thanks! I'm just trying to get more involved with Lecrae on Wikipedia.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Church Clothes
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Paradox (British band), Overcome or Burn Forever in Hell/Arachnid Terror Sampler
Hello! Your submission of Paradox (British band), Overcome or Burn Forever in Hell/Arachnid Terror Sampler at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! LauraHale (talk) 10:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Paradox (British band)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

OrphanReferenceFixer: Help on reversion
Hi there! I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. Recently, you [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=502886038&diff=prev reverted] my fix to List of death metal bands !-K.

If you did this because the references should be removed from the article, you have misunderstood the situation. Most likely, the article originally contained both  and one or more   referring to it. Someone then removed the  but left the , which results in a big red error in the article. I replaced one of the remaining  with a copy of the  ; I did not re-insert the reference to where it was deleted, I just replaced one of the remaining instances. What you need to do to fix it is to make sure you remove all instances of the named reference so as to not leave any big red error.

If you reverted because I made an actual mistake, please be sure to also correct any reference errors in the page so I won't come back and make the same mistake again. Also, please post an error report at User talk:AnomieBOT so my operator can fix me! If the error is so urgent that I need to be stopped, also post a message at User:AnomieBOT/shutoff/OrphanReferenceFixer. Thanks! AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC) If you do not wish to receive this message in the future, add  to your talk page.

WikiProject Record Production invites you to join
76 Strat String da Broke da (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify: July Newsletter and August Drive

 * EdwardsBot (talk) 21:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Gravity (Lecrae album) at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with db-g7, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Weight & Glory
Hello! Your submission of Weight & Glory at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  Del ♉ sion 23  (talk)  20:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Weight & Glory
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for KB (rapper)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Wikify and the future of wikification
Hi! There is an ongoing proposal at the project talkpage concerning the future of wikification, including possible deprecation of the wikify template which is being discussed at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 August 10. Your input would be greatly appreciated!

You are receiving this message because you are listed as an active member of the wikify project. To update your status, go here.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 15:40, 12 August 2012 (UTC) on behalf of Project Wikify

DYK for Gravity (Lecrae album)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)