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DYK for Tunnel Rats (music group)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Tunnel Vision (Tunnel Rats album)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

2014 in Christian hip hop
I actually said "down" not "slow", but what was looking downwards is now going tremendously upwards. It has gone from a tepid snails pace to that of a furious roadrunner.HotHat (talk) 03:13, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Underground Rise, Volume 1: Sunrise/Sunset
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion
What do you think of the Christian music community starting an article such as, 2014 in Christian music? They have them for both hip hop and country, so I don't know why we can have one for the Christian music market.HotHat (talk) 06:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's a great idea. Maybe solicit comments from other active user who are part of the Christian music Wikiproject (speaking of which, are you a member of that? Because you should be!) Look at to find people.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 17:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Charmaine
I have started here an article to get your opinion on her notability and the respective albums that she released. So, what do you think of the merits?HotHat (talk) 10:08, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If the reviews have a little more about her life, her article could qualify as start class. The albums meet notability because of the reviews.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * They are trying to get it deleted at Charmaine and All About Jesus.HotHat (talk) 07:26, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Add to that Love Reality.HotHat (talk) 08:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
You have been a tremendous help to me, and you deserve a huge pat-on-the-back.HotHat (talk) 03:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I just want to see more stuff on Wikipedia, particularly Christian music related subjects.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Tunnel Rats (album)
Materialscientist (talk) 01:23, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Below Paradise
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Thanks
Hi. Thanks very much for reviewing Rögnvaldr Óláfsson (d. 1249).--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. It was fun, and I learned a lot from the article.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 01:04, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Neon Steeple
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Knock Madness
The site that the poster links to only shows 2014 tour dates. DepressedPer (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, I see.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 00:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Stuff
Well, I just put something on Charmaine's deletion discussion that closes the door 100-percent and confirms Notability. So, I must say this was quite the endeavor by us and Mr. Gorlitz. Well, I am sorry that we have some disagreements, but we genuinely try working them out for the betterment of this encyclopedia. I understand about the usages of acclaim, acclamation and praise that they have to be backed up by a source to avoid PEACOCK words. You make me a better editor on here by your criticism, so keep it coming, whenever it is needed of course.HotHat (talk) 16:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's how Wikipedia is supposed to work - consensus-building and team work.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 18:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Go look at AUTHOR, the No. 3 criterion is the one that has resonance in Charmaine's case because of the reviews.HotHat (talk) 07:38, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if that extends to music albums or not.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you understand Espanola because look here?HotHat (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ich kann nicht Spanisch. But that source is EXACTLY the type of thing that will seal up any notability issues.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Metallica image
Hello. I've noticed that you have returned the old Metallica image. I've originally omitted it because I think an image of the band actually performing would better fit the article. The alternatives you've offered, photos of Slayer and Anthrax, won't do the job because we need a picture of the band explained in the caption. It would be nice if you can find a photo with a higher resolution, but till then, I believe the previous one would serve better.--Retrohead (talk) 15:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I meant change the description, too.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 15:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * By the way, would you mind leaving a comment at the review page?--Retrohead (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I can, seeing as I contributed to the article. I'm also going to add some more bands to the list, so that further creates a COI problem. I can comment, but I cannot support or oppose.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 19:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Nevermind the FAC invitation (haven't noticed that you contributed to the page). Please see if you can add some other bands there.--Retrohead (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me for being a boring nerd, but I think the current image caption is partially repeating with the second sentence from the prose. As far as I understood you, you don't mind which band is illustrated as long as the photo is in high quality. That said, can I revert to the first Metallica image with a description of their complex song structures?--Retrohead (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think a certain amount of redundancy is fine, but I don't care one way or the other. I just want to make sure that the pic is a high quality one. You could just as well change the description to note how Anthrax broke away from the traditional thrash metal sound (like the previous description for Metallica said) by adding influences from hip-hop and alternative metal.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 22:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Rögnvaldr Óláfsson (d. 1249)
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List of thrash metal bands
Hi. Can you avoid using "early" as a time navigation? In that case, it would be logical to place the same tag next to Metallica and Anthrax. And one more thing, incorporating death metal bands who intended to play thrash before they formed is not a good inclusion. Another act described as "melodic progressive black metallers" (whatever genre that is) who only played a "mix of thrash and death" on one LP won't do it either.--Retrohead (talk) 17:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine, take them out then. I honestly am not trying to butt heads or anything, just work things out. I hope you do not feel like I am trying to contend with you or anything.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 17:58, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Never thought of it that way. I think you are doing an excellent job there. If we get this passed (and we're on a good way), you deserve credit as much as I. I'll try to find something about the European thrash bands, so we can have a complete coverage of the other scenes.--Retrohead (talk) 22:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The articles on Teutonic thrash metal and Brazilian thrash metal are terribly sourced, so it means that refs will have to be found by scratch.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 22:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

V. Rose
I just wanted to thank you for your continued guidance about my editing, so that I can correct my editing, and make better contributions.HotHat (talk) 03:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
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I have created and established the article on Big Smo, for you to edit at your leisure Mr. Mick III.HotHat (talk) 06:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for V. Rose
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DYK for V. Rose (album)
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Deletion debates
I just nominated four MercyMe albums, one David Crowder Band album, and one Chris Tomlin album for deletion. These are the independent ones with little to no coverage.HotHat (talk) 05:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

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Dear editor 3family6, I just created Hope in Front of Me by Danny Gokey. On another note, I am thinking of putting up for deletion Southern Tracks and Carry Me Home by Third Day, but I am requesting your opinion on the matter first before I go ahead.HotHat (talk) 07:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * VERY nice!-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 13:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, I just created Forever After by V. Rose.HotHat (talk) 13:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find anything for Carry Me Home except the JFH review - go ahead and nominate that one. For Southern Tracks, I found the following:, .-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 13:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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I fixed it, so look it over please.HotHat (talk) 17:01, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

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Another tiresome proposal
I hope you'll do what you can to whip up some enthusiasm for Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know. I'm tired of being the guy making all the dead-on-arrival proposals. EEng (talk) 19:17, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Everyone's focused on The Rambling Man. EEng (talk) 15:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

The Rambling Man
You may want to see my comment on the DYK talk page.HotHat (talk) 03:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I have to say I lean toward The Rambling Man on this one - I found your arguments tenuous and difficult to follow. I know that TRM can be brash and borderline disruptive at times, but I really couldn't figure out what your complaint with them was.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 21:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Hillsong
Thank you for your support, any ongoing assistance is greatly appreciated.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm happy to give up my day to do this (and I mean that not only in sarcasm).-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 22:45, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I think your continuing efforts in these articles have shown the merit in my challenging many of the PRODs. You have saved more articles with your effort. I also have to thank you for clarifying the difference between Cross Rhythms and the two refs I supplied at Overwhelmed.


 * I would like further clarification for my further search for RS candidates at ccm/s which are usuable for .au: At Oceans EP AfD you give a ref at Cross Rhythms here, how is this better than advertising at, say, Koorong, here for Overwhelmed?  The two seem very similar to my uneducated eye.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The Koorong review is explicitly for the purpose of advertising the album - it appears only in the product listing. The CR news item, while unattributed, is by the CR news division, not the CR store. Yes, there is a link to the store, but 1) the link is for that artist in general, not the particular album, 2) the news item is written in a neutral manner, and 3) the news item is not a product listing, unlike the Koorong source. Koorong is intentionally trying to advertise the album, the Cross Rhythms article is merely letting you know that the Cross Rhythms Store has products by that artist. Can you see the difference?-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 00:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the further explanation, I see the distinction now. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find other .au RS to support the early Hillsong oeuvre.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:18, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

ARIA certs? I should have looked through these earlier: its their home country. Also some of their early material is under Hills Christian Life Centre and I was searching per 'Hillsong' and so missed these. I'm now going year by year and using Hills in the find window.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:31, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks, I was just curious. You have rescued many a notable album. I have no problem with an album being deleted if it is not notable, but it needs to be demonstrated that an album isn't notable.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 00:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hills Praise is Experiencing Worship a RS? i.e. Is this review editorial and not advertising? As for an ARIA cert: they only list those awarded from 1997+, so earlier releases may not be listed at ARIA's website.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't know about Experiencing Worship itself, but this is a promotional/advertising style review, and I don't see any author attributed to it.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 01:24, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll go with your experience (pardon the bad pun) in such matters. What about here for an archive of CCM Record Reviews? This claims the magazine has rated/reviewed numerous Hillsong albums. The Hills Praise review is not authored.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Who did the original review?-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 01:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This archive site doesn't give that detail. It claims the review was published in April 1998, a wayback machine search of CCM Online only goes back to January 1999, while one at ht.salemweb.net only goes back to 2001 pdfs.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, so it's quoting excerpts from CCM Magazine? If it is indeed a quote from CCM Magazine, you should probably mention that on the deletion debate, so that we at least know that the review is out there.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 02:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It claims to be citing from CCM but I'm not sure of Paul Ganney/ganney.net site's status wrt rs. It doesn't give a page number for the review, but can the review be used as an offline source? Ganney seems to run a fanzine and claims to have published numerous works.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:07, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't use it as a source in the article, but you should mention it on the deletion page as it indicates that there is a print review in existence (per WP:Verifiability, sources need not be in an article, they only need exist).-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:57, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Your recent research on these albums have been absolutely amazing! Thank you! Jair Crawford (talk) 03:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 12:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Coloman, King of Hungary
Gatoclass (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Béla II of Hungary
Gatoclass (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Hope in Front of Me
I said that because the editor put pop music akin to CCM for a genre in the infobox not for pop rock, but on that subject see if you can confirm pop rock by sources. I think that I may have put that their by mistake, so check it out, will you? Thanks,HotHat (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

So, I take it Christian pop should be listed instead of CCM if you want pop in the genre field.HotHat (talk) 17:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That should work, yes! I don't think I actually saw CCM listed anywhere. :)-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 17:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Surprise
You may want to read my talk page.HotHat (talk) 19:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)