User talk:46.254.75.1

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Claiming Turkish propaganda? You are unsourced, and your personel view are of no relavans. these countries are reconized as Europe, see sources in links in the article.

if you will not stop you edits (warning message) then i will contact a administrator and he will decide whether to block you! Lactasamir (talk) 11:56, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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 * Istanbul is on the North-west bank of the Bosphorus, and hence is on the European mainland. Consult an atlas to confirm this statement before aguing the point further. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 22:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * For the record, Vladivostock is very obviously Asian, being located at the eastern edge of the Asian continent.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 22:10, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Anthony, In my atlas, it is on both sides of the Bosphorus, so at least it is not fully European. And if you think that geographical position is all that matters, then Vladivostok would be an Asian city just like the neighbouring city of Pyongyang. Las Palmas would be an African city because it is far more closer to Africa than to Europe. Nicosia, Cyprus would be a city in Western Asia, not in Europe.

And you know why Las Palmas, Vladivostok and Nicosia are all European cities? Because the world agrees that Russia, Spain and Cyprus are European countries. The world doesn't agree about Turkey's status (Western Asian or European), so another reason that cities in Turkey cannot be claimed 'European'. Last but not least, any visitor to the beautiful city of Istanbul notices how un-European this city is. Turkish people can be proud of this city, but it is a beautiful pearl in Western Asia, not in Europe.

It is ridiculous to reject all these arguments and only point to a Council that - for political reasons - welcomed the Asian neighbour of Turkey as their member. I'm waiting for the next desparate argument to be added, i guess it will be the Eurovision song contest as another 'proof' that Turkey is European. So again, i have nothing against Turkey or the Turkish people in general (in fact i know 2 really nice persons), i just don't think that Turkey or Istanbul are European. Now i'm waiting for good arguments, i haven't seen any so far.

The reason that Istanbul and Moscow were not on the list when it were first created by the user "europeps" are easy to see, the first created list are only european union cities, which of cource not are all of europe. then the list were expanded to the final list today.

You notices how un-European istanbul feels? europe are a continent of many cultures not only western culture, if you think istanbul feels un-European, one reason for this is maybe that before 1453 AD the city were christian byzantine (greek) and it looked very classical european, not unlike rome, then in 1453 the turks captured the city and it became capital of the muslim ottoman empire and therefore the culture and architecture changed with the newcomers. but this does not change that istanbul still are a european city, and the muslim turks in istanbul are just as much european today as western europeans, any claming they are not becouse of different culture and faith are just wrong. 178.155.238.96 (talk) 11:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I am in danger of becoming involved, so will not pronounce on your block. But even leaving aside the question of Istanbul (where I have been five times ; the asiatic side is called Uskudar) can you not see how attempting to call Vladivostock (where I have also been) as European weakens your case. Russia is a country which straddles two continents - Europe and Asia. Vladivostock is unarguably in russian Siberia.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:59, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Anthony. i can understand your point of view but i don't agree. I assume that you base your opinion about Vladivostok on its geographical location. But does Vladivostoks relatively close distance to countries in Eastern Asia really make it part of Asia rather than Europe? Correct me if i'm wrong but Russians refer to the eastern part of their country as the Far East and don't call it something like Russian Asia, the Asian part of Russia or similar. So my point was that geographical position says very little.

Now about Las Palmas, Gran Canaria (Spain). If it would be included in a list of African cities, everyone would say: for cultural, historical, political etc. reasons it is a city in Europe, despite its geographical position. Same for Ceuta.

So it is equally neutral to say: for cultural, historical, political etc. reasons Istanbul is a city in Western Asia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.254.75.8 (talk) 00:18, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


 * For the record, I am inclined to agree that the inclusion of the Causasus states in Europe is arguable. But I am not going to edit war about it, and this is purely a personal view, which I accept is not shared by the wikipedia community.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 22:06, 15 March 2013 (UTC)