User talk:460Interceptor


 * Chilton's automotive manual rated the 460PI engine.Were 268 to 275 horsepower SAE net rated.

Ford Torino - Police
I deleted all the unnecessary discussion from the Torino Page. Needless to say, we were not getting anywhere. I appologize for any personal attacks on you. However, I think you totally misunderstood me. I wrote that Torino page, and 95+% of the words and facts on there are from me. I did this because there are so few publications and internet sources that show an accurate history of the Ford's forgotten car, the Torino. The internet is full of unsourced information, and I wanted to make sure this page was as accurate as possible, and fully sourced. As you probably know, police car stats are very hard to find, especially since Ford did not advertise any of these specs. I don't want to add these facts the the page without it being sourced from at least two reputable sources. This was and is my only dispute with your facts. You simply state things, and have nothing to back it up except by saying "because I said so, or "I have the sources" and never citing anything. Then you state Ed Sanow's book as a source, I take the time to verify this source and you start shooting him down as inaccurate.

Look at all the sources listed on the Torino page; I have every one of those and more at my finger tips. This is how I verified every fact written on that page. I don't know why you have to always resort to personal attacks. I have read over some of Sanow's book and I have seen some inconsitancies in his facts, although very small (ie 1973 Torino engine ratings are the same as 1972 - when in reality there were lesser in 1973). However, I was able to verify the engine specs on with the same Chiltons book you have. One thing I am certian of is that the 1974 460 PI was rated at 260, while the 1975-76 was 226 hp. I have two fairly reliable sources that say this.

Now, for 1973, Sanow says there was the 460-PI was rated at 219 hp, while Chiltons lists it as 269 hp (for the Torino). So this one is inconsistant. However, I cannot find any other sources that list a 269 HP 460 for 1973, and I do have others that list a 219 hp version, so this appears to be the most "true" fact, until I can find other sources that say otherwise. If you have these sources, please share. The same goes for the 1972 429-PI. Chiltons lists no HP figures for it (although it shows it ONLY available in the fullsize Ford), while Sanow says it was the 212 HP Thunderbird 429. Chiltons shows different cam specs (milder) for the 212hp 429. So, Chiltons is suggesting that the 429-PI would have more power. But I have no rating for this engine, and all other sources only list the 212 hp version. So at this point, again the most "true" fact appears to be that the 1972 429-PI has 212 hp. Furthermore, I never trust Chiltons or Motor manuals as 100% accurate alone, I have noted numerous mistakes over the years in these books. And this is true of almost all "reliable" sources, which is why I usually want at least TWO to prove a fact.

So, I am prepared to continue changing and updating the page as I discover more facts. If you stop attacking and work together, share your sources, then we can get this page written properly.

My comments about the MOPAR was in relation to the mid-sized Dodge/Plymouth, not the fullsize cars. The MOPARS were lighter than the Torino's had more power, so it's only logical they were faster. Look at the MSP tests for 1978, which we both know are the authority on police tests. Even the 255 hp 1978 Fury ran 0-100 MPH in 24 seconds, which is defintely faster than 18 sec 1/4 mile (probably about 16 sec range). The earlier cars had more power and were lighter. Again, not trying to attack, just state the facts as I see them. I am trying to be unbiased (and if you new me, complimenting a MOPAR is definitely unbiased for me).

Finally, I don't own a Chevy Caprice, and never have. The handle is simply one I pick in 1996 when in dedication to the last Caprice (the best cop car for the 1990s, in my opinion). I do hoewver own a Torino (the 1972 on the page), and the only Chevy product I have ever owned was a late model fullsize truck.

Caprice 96 (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)