User talk:47.227.95.73/Archives/2023/June

Thanks
Since there's a frustrating lack of thanks options for IP editors, consider this a thank you for several excellent edits I've noticed from you over the last couple weeks. Please let me know if you ever want me to do anything that an autoconfirmed editor can do! ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I really appreciate it. Your help is also much appreciated as well! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for help reverting the vandalism on Melbourne, Florida! Din oz1  (chat?) (he/him) 15:33, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * No problem, thank you for doing so as well. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 15:34, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

New message from I dream of horses
I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 19:24, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Unblock
47.227.95.73 (talk) 16:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The Dan Cherak you are referring to is an impersonator, not the admin. See the edit history. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 16:56, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * My bad, apologies. I've unblocked. Cheers, Number   5  7  16:59, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello fellow traveller! Some service awards for you!
I've put together all the service awards that you are entitled to, and put them nice and neat in a collapsible table for you to copy/paste to your userpage.

— FenrisAureus ▼ (she/they)   ( talk ) 09:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've also done the same with all the barnstars youve recieved.


 * rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | Barnstar of Reversion Hires.png
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 * style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
 * style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For fighting vandalism. The person who loves reading (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * }
 * }


 * Wow, thank you! It's crazy how many of these I have gotten... 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Guestbook
Hello there, 47! (Or perhaps Forsev…) I saw you signed my guestbook, and that got me thinking: do you have a guestbook? And if you don’t, would you like to start one? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello ! No, I do not have a guestbook, although having one would be nice. But I do not know of any way to create one, since IP addresses are barred from making almost any type of article, except for talk pages, of course. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 19:13, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, today's your lucky day. :) Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And by the way, I was reading your userpage, and I was thinking of the exact same video you linked at the "I'm not your dad" part. I love that video. Thanks again! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Village Pump discussion
Hi, re the Village Pump discussion on registering accounts, I'm curious as to what the valid reasons are for not creating an account, and why you think you'd not be here if you had to create an account. SilkTork (talk) 12:20, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I am aware that this isn't the same for everyone, but for me, I started editing because I realized how easy it was, as in, you didn't have to create an account. When I first started editing (which was under this IP address if you were to look at my first edits) it was primarily small typo fixes. For me, I probably wouldn't have gone straight to creating an account just to fix typos or make small changes to articles, especially if I were to never use that account again. So, I chose to stay unregistered, and I am sure that there are many people who would not have created an account in the first place if they couldn't edit Wikipedia anonymously, as creating an account could reasonably be seen as too much hassle (as I see it). As for reasons, as I continued editing Wikipedia, I began doing anti-vandal work (which I still do). I have no interest in obtaining Rollback or other anti-vandal features, primarily on competency grounds (I am a minor), and creating an account would just be me being burdened into getting tools I don't want. While I am sure this is a minority view, that is the main reason I chose not to create an account. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 13:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Slight note: I don't think being a minor has anything to do with competency on Wikipedia, even with tools. I've seen plenty of competent editors who've admitted to being below 18 (including myself at times, though I may have a biased view of my own competency), even with tools. It's a matter of your competency, and while I haven't seen you around much, I think your comment about not being competent to gain tools is a sign that you would be competent to hold those tools, ironically.
 * To be clear, I'm not trying to get you to sign up for tools (keep doing what you're doing; if it ain't broke, don't fix it!); just saying, at least from my view, you'd be plenty competent for them. Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  05:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I wasn't implying that all minors do not have the competence to edit Wikipedia or use it's tools, I was just implying it to myself. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 11:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I consider the difference between "if you had to create an account" and "if you had had to create an account." In the beginning, I made a few edits with an IP, because it was so easy. If it weren't, I would never have become engaged, being tired of the world where you can't contract a purchase or receive service without "joining" rather than just engaging in a one-off interaction. I leave 47.227.95.73 to answer the hypothetical of "had to create an account" now; the current arrangement seems to be working to everyone's satisfaction. But I suggest that many editors now contributing with a registered account would never have done so if they had had to create an account to do so.  signed, Willondon (talk)  19:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. The anti-vandal tools are a choice that a user makes - you can either have them or not, that's your choice.
 * Anyway, I'm interested in the viewpoint that creating an article is seen as "too much hassle". And I'm wondering where that impression comes from, and what can be done to let people know just how easy it is to register. SilkTork (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I was very interested to see this discussion, partly because it relates to my own experience, and I thought you might be interested in my thoughts on the subject.
 * I too started editing without an account, for much the same reasons as you. I was only making minor corrections when I happened to notice problems while reading Wikipedia, there wasn't any obvious reason to create an account to do that, and I get sick of having to go through hassle to register on websites to do simple one-off things. (In fact on Wikipedia it doesn't take a lot of hassle, but obviously I didn't know that.) The reason that after a while I did create an account is that one day I found I couldn't edit because of an anon-only IP block due to vandalism. I didn't expect ever to do anything except trivial corrections, and I didn't expect to ever do anything with my account except keep it in reserve to use if I was affected by blocks again. In fact, after a while I decided since I had an account I might as well use it, and then I found myself gradually getting further involved in different areas of editing, including eventually becoming an administrator, which of course I couldn't have done without an account. What would have happened if I hadn't had that IP block? I don't know. Maybe I would sooner or later created an account for other reasons, and then had a Wikipedia career much the same as I have had. Maybe I would have just carried on doing minor tasks via IP editing. On the other hand, as suggests, it's likely that I would never have become involved at all, at any level, if I had had to create an account in order to get started. In any case, unlike many Wikipedia editors, I don't see long-term IP-only editing as strange, unwise, suspicious, or in any way undesirable. Yes, there are several advantages to having an account, and if one day you decide to get one, that will be fine, but it's totally up to you, and if you choose to carry on as now then that's fine too.
 * Pinging &, in case you are interested. JBW (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with a lot of this. If I were to find my IP address blocked for whatever reason, I would also probably create an account. On the other hand, if WMF were to disable IP editing, I would likely just leave Wikipedia (per above). I have been made (very!) well aware of the benefits of creating an account, but having said that, a lot of us likely would not be here had that never been an option. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 20:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment JBW. What concerns me about Wikipedia's method (which, thankfully, is going to change in future) is that neither the ease of registering is made clear to people, nor the risks of revealing your IP address. As far as I'm aware Wikipedia is the only website which offers up people's IP address to the public, and Wikipedia is one of the websites where people have been seriously harassed because of their involvement in the project, so concealing people's IP address is even more important here than on the majority of websites. It's so important that if a registered account edits without logging in, their IP edit is immediately oversighted. Here we are on a website dealing with education, and we don't inform people about the risks of editing without concealing their IP address. Now, of course, IP addresses differ, and not all are risky. But letting people know that they a) can reveal a person's location (which can subject them to unwanted real life harassment through some casual sleuthing) and b) potentially leave them open to being hacked, should be done as a matter of course. I assume, though, that the very same people who mistrust registering on Wikipedia would be suspicious of warnings that if they don't register, that their real life identity may be hacked or stolen. I think the risks of hacking are really very small (I've not heard of it happening), though the risks of harassment are real as they happen sadly all too often. IP editors who realise the risk can have their edits oversighted, but only if they have been editing for less than three months. With everyone else, the Foundation just shrugs its shoulders and considers it their own fault for not having registered an account in the first place.
 * I sometimes wonder if people were given the right information - that it takes seconds to register, with nothing more required than a unique user name and a password, and that there are risks involved in not registering - how many people would still not register. SilkTork (talk) 12:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * , yes, the risks that you mention relating to IP addresses do exist, though my experience suggests that they are probably far less likely to materialise in practice than risks from revealing real life information about oneself in ways such as using one's real name as a username, posting real life information about oneself on user pages, and so on. On the subject of what information we give to new users about creation of accounts, etc, a point related to what you say, but concerning accounts rather than IP editing, has concerned me for some years now. When I created my account, the account creation form advised one to read the username policy before registering, so I did so. At that time the username policy had a reasonably strongly worded warning about the risks of using one's own name. (Over the years the wording of that warning has varied between a very serious warning and a gentle suggestion.) I had been intending to use a username incorporating my real name, but having read the warnings I decided against doing so. I should think over 99.9% of editors who use their real names never suffer from doing so, but as I'm sure you know, there's a very small numbers of editors who have suffered very real and very serious real life problems as a result of their real identity being known. I am very glad that the warnings I read deterred me from using my real name, because there is a very real possibility that I might have been one of that small minority who suffer for it; I discovered some years ago that some editors that I had blocked had made a concerted effort to try to find my real life identity so that they could take revenge. Luckily, they failed, but with my name as a starting point who knows what they might have done? I was therefore very concerned some years ago when I found that the advice to read the username policy had been removed from the account creation form. I really think it was irresponsible to change things so as to make it unlikely that new users would see the warnings, thereby putting them at risk. In fact I think that the warning about using one's own name should be right there on the account creation form, rather than being hidden in the middle of a policy page where it might be missed even by new editors who do look at that page, let alone the probably far larger number who don't even look at it. JBW (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

On the account creation page it says: "You should choose a username that is different from your real name, as usernames are public and cannot be made private later." Though it doesn't warn against potential real life harassment. SilkTork (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello fellow traveller! Another Barnstar!

 * Thank you! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 23:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Mohan Poothathan

 * Can you please check it again. It was totally neutral content. Pksehwag837 (talk) 13:01, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Not neutral. Same problem. Aside from that, you also didn't give any sources, which is a must for BLP articles. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 13:07, 8 June 2023 (UTC)


 * This is very basic. I have not added any promotional or useless content. you have to review it agin and make it public. Pksehwag837 (talk) 12:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have seen it, and my opinion is the same. None of it is neutral, and it is still unsourced. Please read WP:NPOV and WP:V. If you can add source(s) to your addition, and make the tone of it more neutral, your addition is more than welcome. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

List of Acura vehicles
FYI, I’ve opened an SPI at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Lithuaniaball2. Lithuaniaball2 socks usually vandalize car related articles by adding lots of redlinks and unwikifying text then edit war with other socks to restore their vandalized version. You can see their LTA page for more info. -- Prodraxis talk contribs  12:55, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I noticed your AIV report earlier. There are so many LTA's to keep track of... 47.227.95.73 (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

A cookie for you.


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Thank you for being the fourth person to sign my guestbook. You're in the top 5!!! Jack345110 (talk) 17:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! And no problem, thank you for signing mine as well. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 21:19, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, your help is much appreciated as well! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 16:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, though you dealt with the brunt of that troll, which I greatly appreciate. Thank you! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 01:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, thank you for being the second person to sign my guestbook! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 01:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem! As always keep up the great work. :D -- Prodraxis talk contribs  01:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Your help is much appreciated as well! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Your help is much appreciated as well! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:03, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! I really appreciate it! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Your help is much appreciated as well! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! 𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛  𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜  12:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for this.

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:28, 1 June 2023 (UTC) 


 * No problem, thanks for your help as well! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 12:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023
Hello, I'm Adakiko. I noticed that in this edit to Brezhnev Doctrine, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Adakiko (talk) 20:07, 29 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Please see . It seems as though they had something a little more disruptive in mind with that edit. 47.227.95.73 (talk) 20:10, 29 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Restored! Thanks for letting me know. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 20:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)