User talk:4ChordsNoNet

Hackbridge
However laudible your campaign may be, wikipedia is not a free space for groups of people to air what's of concern to them at any given time. If every time some roadworks were carried out (even controversial ones), they were recorded in intricate detail, the article would be over-long and non-notable. Only notable material is allowed on wikipedia. The road layout is of no interest to anyone who does not live in Hackbridge. The sort of material that is notable is a description of the economy, history, architecture, the arts, open spaces - general long term information which describes the place. Your material is local news which may of considerable TEMPORARY interest to some LOCALLY, but it is well below the notability threshold for an encycplopedia. A P Monblat (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

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All the statements / comments made were simple matter of fact and WOULD interest those that do not live locally.

Wikipedia is open for anyone to edit and the changes that have been made WOULD be material to the subject, i.e. Hackbridge.

As far as the Council are concerned these changes are permanent, so to say that temporary items are not permitted, is wrong, unless you know something that residents do not.

4ChordsNoNet (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2014 (UTC) 4ChordsNoNet
 * There are other ways to pursue your campaign. An encyclopaedia article about a town is entirely the wrong vehicle, and misusing it in the way you are trying to do will only bring discredit to your campaign. The campaign just about merits a passing reference in the regeneration article, but not in the main article. Why not look into wikinews, as I suggested? Don't worry you are not the first new editor to initially  think wikipedia is something it is not :)  A P Monblat (talk) 20:51, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments/advice, but I beg to differ. I tried to make my comments impartial and unbiased and I believe that a campaign, such as this, although fairly new, is relevant to a town, as was the stop the M23 campaign was to Wallington back in the 1970s. 4ChordsNoNet (talk) 21:25, 22 November 2014 (UTC)4ChordsNoNet


 * It's not just my advice, it's what's in the guidance. Everyone is free to edit (unless they are barred), but they have to stick to the guidelines. With all due respect to you and your campaign, could I suggest that you read up on wikipedia in the help section. Also, don't forget about wikinews - it is more suitable for your purposes. Don't be disheartened - I am sure you can spread the word about the junction in other ways, it's just that wikipedia is not designed for these purposes. A P Monblat (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

BTW it's not my campaign, and I don't even live in Hackbridge (as I am led to believe, neither do you). I appreciate what you are saying about the aims etc. of Wikipeida, and yes I am a newbie. but my entries were NOT to promote the campaign, I didn't even mention the name of it. I have read some, not all, of the guidance and cannot see anything that I have posted contravenes this. However, I shall go away read it in full, including the Conflicts of Interest and speak to a regular before I come back.

4ChordsNoNet (talk) 21:51, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I wasn't suggesting that there was any conflict of interest; I was merely trying to point out that the material, whilst true and whilst about Hackbridge, is not notable enough for inclusion in an article about the place. What the article currently lacks and could do with frankly is a history section. I'm not asking you write one, merely pointing out what it does need in contrast to what it does not need. But I do suggest you look into wikinews for your material. A P Monblat (talk) 22:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)