User talk:4TheWynne

It/They
I see you're Australian, I'm American, and I'm telling you, bands are "they" here, not "it". "We went on tour with it" sounds completely wrong, and this tendency to refer to bands as "it" is something I've noticed on Wikipedia more than anywhere else (and not even consistently within articles, like this one). Believe me, I've been listening to music my whole life, and we say "they", not "it" – we only use the singular form of verbs when we use the name of the band itself. `Esszet (talk) 03:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * , if you feel strongly enough about it, please discuss at the article talk page, not here, and don't revert again unless you reach a consensus. In the meantime, read here: In American English (AmE), collective nouns are almost always singular in construction: the committee was unable to agree. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  05:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I already did, and are you seriously trying to tell me how American English works? Fucking seriously?  I already explained it above, we do not say "We went on tour with it".  Why do you think you knoew American English better than I do? Esszet (talk) 05:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * , keep the discussion to the article talk page. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  07:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * What in the world is your problem? Esszet (talk) 15:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

, you don't WP:OWN Metallica and you may be over-applying American English; "almost always" ≠ "always".  Mini  apolis  16:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And going right to a level-3 WP:DE warning at User talk:Esszet is itself disruptive.  Mini  apolis  17:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2023 AFL Women's season
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No Doubt
When it comes to Years Active, 2024 is present. Adding “present” is redundant. Furthermore, the band yesterday confirmed that they’re doing a one-off show. There won’t be more, no new music. It’s a one-off gig. Partyclams (talk) 06:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2023 AFL Women's season
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Don Ienner: Later career and Columbia Records
Hi. I noticed that you are an active member of WikiProject_Musicians. Therefore, I thought you might be interested in taking a look at an edit request I recently posted at Talk:Don_Ienner. Although Don Ienner is not a musician himself, as the head of Columbia Records and Sony Music, he helped launch the careers of many popular contemporary musicians, so I am hoping this might interest you. I wonder if, while you are already on the talk page, you would also look at a previous edit request I posted at Talk:Don Ienner, which was only partially implemented. I was in a discussion with another editor about the bullet points he did not implement, but he has not responded to me. I would really appreciate it if you can look and see what you think over there as well. Thanks, GarrettEye (talk) 09:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2023 AFL Women's season
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Season leads my thoughts
I'm not really in favour of putting minor premierships in the season leads. I'd rank it behind Brownlow and Coleman in the list of extra things I'd include, and I think weight of references would probably back that up. Whether those two medals are worth putting in the lead, I don't have a strong view, but I'll be against the minor premiers when it goes to the project. I also wouldn't personally include the grand final venue, that's appropriate for the grand finals' leads moreso than the season's. Aspirex (talk) 09:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Notable Content?
Hey I have read some things and want to know if these are notable enough for the 2024 season page (With the sources).


 * 1. The total crowd across Round 1 was the highest crowd record for a single round of football (source: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1089139/raise-the-roof-afl-smashes-all-time-crowd-record-in-round-one-of-the-2024-season)
 * 2. Caleb Serong's 46 disposals is a club record (This is probably more for the 2024 Fremantle Dockers season page) (Source: https://www.afl.com.au/news/1090061/beefed-up-engine-room-transforms-scrappy-and-dirty-fremantle-dockers)

Also can I ask why are some items in the season notes combined into one paragraph (e.g. the Andrew Dillon becoming CEO and the Jesse Baird thing which is incomplete)

Flipstatic Energy (talk) 02:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)


 * , "Season events" and "Season notes" are different sections – the former talks more about related events that happen during the season (incomplete, yes, but a work in progress), while the latter is further down the article, and the crowd record is already mentioned there. Serong's record isn't necessary for this article, but can be mentioned at his own article and any club articles where records are mentioned, like you alluded to. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  02:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah sorry I meant Season events before.
 * Also thanks I could not see the season notes section had the R1 attendance.
 * Flipstatic Energy (talk) 02:54, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

AFL nickname
Hey just saw you reverted the edit, wanting consensus. Don't really understand why that is necessary, considering it's an obvious nickname. But have added it to the talk page. Basetornado (talk) 12:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

2023 AFL Women's Grand Final
I tried to get 2023 AFL Women's Grand Final to GA but failed. Could you have a look at it for me? Hawkeye7  (discuss)  03:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey – I'll definitely give it a look when I have a bit more time, but rather than a new review, I'll do a bit of a cleanup and see how far that goes to resolving any points of contention there. Thanks again for the DYK review, too.  4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  06:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That would be much appreciated. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  10:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for 2023 AFL Women's season
&spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 12:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Well done 4TheWynne! I read the nomination page, and I must say the stitch-up with the Svarc sisters had me laughing! What a joke (the journo) --SuperJew (talk) 17:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Metallica
Yes I did. I didn’t realize you reverted the edit to the change I did. I apologize. Didn’t know you did an edit in between. Meep Meep 17:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)


 * , no worries at all. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  13:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Incomplete Goalkicking tables.
Hey 4TheWynne,

I was looking at previous coleman medal leaderboard tables to check something and I noticed that 2022 and 2020 are not complete. I would like to know why this is and if you would like me to attempt to fill the missing data in on the pages.

2022 is missing data on goals for Lance Franklin, Bailey Fritsch, Charlie Cameron and Taylor Walker. Franklin is missing one square while Fritsch does not have the goal tally on most of his squares. Most of Walker and Cameron's squares are missing.

2020 does not have a key or tally at all. It also does not show who was on top for each of the rounds. (This is probably explainable considering that was the Covid year).

Flipstatic Energy (talk) 13:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * , per my response at the 2024 talk page (I don't necessarily think that was the best place to bring it up, and think that we could have just spoken here, but I responded anyway), you don't have to stress about previous seasons, as they will gradually be cleaned up; unless you're confident that you'll be able to change the formatting properly and complete the tables error-free, I'm more than happy to do it, as I know I'll be able to apply it consistently. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  13:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I feel like I could add the final Lance Franklin square in easily but I probably would run into problems with the others ngl. Thanks for explaining though! Flipstatic Energy (talk) 13:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * 4TheWynne also sorry about this but I noticed this guy changing the indigenous names on the 2023 page and even made two of the games wrong. (I had originally fixed the two games around unaware they were supposed to be in the indigenous form).
 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/49.190.25.184 Flipstatic Energy (talk) 11:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Team names for Sir Doug Nicholls round
Hi 4thewynne, re: your edit on the 2024 AFL season page, just wondering if there's any particular reason for not allowing teams to be called their indigenous names during Sir Doug Nicholls round? It's what they're referred to by the media and at the games, so doesn't seem like it should be a problem. It's a pretty minor change that pays respect to the indigenous history of our country. E Con211 (talk) 23:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * , see this discussion. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  02:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Australian rules football statistics legend (pre-1987)/ruck
Template:Australian rules football statistics legend (pre-1987)/ruck has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 08:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Notable Stat?
Hey 4TheWynne,

I have come to you asking if a stat is notable enough to be put on the 2024 AFL season page. It will be not as known since media on Fremantle is pretty dry but Fremantle are set to play their first game without an indigenous player in the squad since Round 12, 1995 (due to the injury to Alex Pearce). This is a span of over 650 games and lasts for most of our history.

I believe this is notable due to the length of this streak and the amount of games. I am already looking for a place on the Fremantle page where this can be put, here is proof of this in a link https://x.com/FootyRhino/status/1806261901804151087. Yes I know twitter links are not good for sources so I am going to attempt to find a better source if this can be added to the page (I suspect AFL Tables will have one and there is an article in The West Australian).

Furthermore I believe if notes such as Josh Kennedy kicking 8 goals in his last game in 2022, or Geelong fielding 3 Irish players in 2023 are notable enough this streak ending surely should be notable enough.

If this is notable enough can it please be placed on the page sincerely Flip Flipstatic Energy (talk) 12:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Referencing in club leadership table
Hey mate saw your revert and comment regarding the referencing on 2024 AFLW. Could you link me to the GA review you mentioned? I'd be interested to read it. It just seems weird to me because for example the Melbourne announcement which shows both coach and leadership and requires duplicating the reference in the same row, while also for any leadership announcement (say the Freo one I added), the announcement is for captain, vice-captains, and leadership group in 99% of the cases (Sometimes the captain announcement might be separate in advancec, but don't think I've ever seen vc announced separate from rest of leadership group) - so should be duplicity in each of those 3 columns, other how it's formatted now looks like the cite supports only the "other leaders".

--SuperJew (talk) 10:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * , see Talk:2023 AFL Women's season/GA1. The idea with the leadership group referencing was to add to the furthest-right applicable cell (similar to how the coach departures table is referenced, for example), however I recently added the overarching leadership group column header to help with this; feel free to check out the 2023 AFLW article for an idea of how the completed tables would look. Otherwise, though, as before, the Melbourne referencing is just temporary. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  12:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok I had a read. Are you referring to FN51: no support for Symonds as Collingwood coach (maybe reuse FN132). Would you mind double-checking the other sources mention coaches as well as leadership groups??
 * This sounds to me that it's only an issue when a single source in a separate ref. column doesn't reference all the info in the row. In that case there is no problem having two references in the ref. column. The advantages to having a ref. column is that it's more flexible - we can have a single ref sourcing everything (and no need for unnecessary duplicity) or multiple refs sourcing everything. Also it's much clearer with a separate ref. column that the reference is for the entire row and not only the "other leaders" as seems from the format used on the 2024 AFLW page. --SuperJew (talk) 19:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)


 * , I would rather apply the same format to all clubs than have some with one source and others with two, so having two for all clubs would be the workaround, but I disagree that the flexibility you mentioned applies when putting multiple sources in a single column, as it doesn't necessarily make it clear as to what sources what; this is less clear than the way it's formatted now, where you have one source under "Coach" and one under "Leadership group", in the far-right 'sub-column', if you will. I feel like creating two separate ref. columns would be an unnecessary waste of space and combining the three/spelling out each position would be even worse. 4TheWynne   (talk  •  contribs)  01:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)