User talk:4TheWynne/Archive 3

Jobe Watson
Hey Just wondering why you seem to keep deleting my line on Jobe Watson's Page about the report into if he will keep his Brownlow? You seem to think it was an opinion. But there is a report into this, I left a Source as related to this. He has been banned for doping in the 2012 Season, the same season as he won his Brownlow. This would seem to be a good line to have on a page where people keep deleting his Brownlow. It would seem that your deleting of this line would be more biased then mine could ever be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.168.193 (talk) 13:45, 15 January 2016 (UTC)


 * , the way that you worded the sentence strongly indicated bias. For example, you continuously use the word "doping"; that is a matter of opinion. Otherwise, apart from poor spelling, grammar, and citing of the sourced material, it's poorly worded, which is why I couldn't keep it. I mean, where does the word "report" come from? I will, however, work on the material and improve the citing of sources in the morning, as I had already planned to go through the article and improve all of its sources. The other point that I would like to make is that there has been a lot of vandalism on this page (and other similar pages), particularly recently and in relation to this matter, which is why I tend to jump on the defensive every time this Brownlow issue comes up.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  14:35, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. But Doping is not Bias. They took Performance Enhancing Drugs. That is the definition of Doping. Just because Doping sounds bad, doesn't mean that it should be deleted. The word "Report" comes from the word being used in the Media about this issue. Maybe the reason there is a lot of vandalism is because something like what I wrote wasn't on there because you both kept deleting it and then not replacing it with something you thought sounded more Professional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.168.193 (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The word "report" wasn't used in the article, and neither, for that matter, was "doping", so I don't see why it was necessary. Anyway, I've fixed the formatting of the source and the wording of the sentence to reflect what it says in the article, so we're done here. Once the AFL Commission meeting has taken place and there is more to say on the issue, then we can discuss further.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  07:20, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Rightio, You seem to think that using Doping is Bias. They were banned by the World Anti Doping Authority. Using the Word Doping isn't being Biased. But whatever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.168.193 (talk) 01:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Doping is not Bias. Its the Word used to describe it. Id say having someone who says on their own Page that their favourite Player is Jobe Watson and there favourite team is Essendon, deleting words that don't give a good light to both Jobe Watson and Essendon would be a lot more biased then I could ever be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Basetornado (talk • contribs) 12:49, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * , I would say exactly the same thing if this issue surfaced for any other article – it just so happens that this issue revolves around Watson. Now, please stop making baseless and unwarranted accusations, and drop the issue. And remember to sign your comments using four tildes (~), like I requested of you on your IP talk page only hours ago. You'll also need to brush up on your basic Wikipedia skills in order to understand where I'm coming from.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  13:00, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Why do you think Doping is Bias? I don't think this is baseless. Im trying to use the word that is used to describe literally any one else who has been found guilty of taking Performance Enhancing Substances, and you seem to think thats a Bias. It's a little bit strange, considering. Basetornado (talk) 13:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I was referring to the accusations directed at me, which were baseless and unwarranted. Whether you agree that it was biased or not, it was an unnecessary addition, and the section has now been fixed. This is a non-issue, so please just let it go now.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  01:26, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Alice In Chains
Just because Jerry sang lead on a few songs, doesn't makes him a full-time lead singer. At least label it as "Vocals" instead of "Lead vocals", so it's unspecified.

My edit was not distruptive.

Thank you, 80sMetalHead (talk) 13:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

re: Hayden Christensen
On December 3oth you left a message with my IP: "Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Hayden Christensen.". My response is as follows: Please do not criticize individual article contributors when those contributors are correct in making edits. If you have any knowledge of the concept of "Canadian-American" vs the concept of "American-Canadian" you would have realized that the edit I made to the "Hayden Christensen" article was correct. Please stick to policing articles that you have at least a small bit of knowledge about.

Robert Downey Jr.
I've edited down the section about Wing Chun on Downeys page but it still get deleted... This is information from various media sources even Oprah windfrey had a special segment about this filming him in the wing chun dojo with Eric Oram. Robert Downey Jr is is the inspiration of all wing chun practitioners around the world his interview on Oprah and letterman about his training has gotten over 100,000 views in less than 5 months on youtube. The heading "friendship with Mel Gibson" is not nearly as relevant as Downeys Wing Chun training and relationship with his master Eric Oram. Yes Mel Gibson is Australian as is user 4TheWynne fine but don't delete relevant content Australianblackbelt (talk) 13:04, 28 January 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Australianblackbelt (talk • contribs) 00:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


 * , excuse me? And that is relevant how? Like I said, this information doesn't look like information that belongs on an encyclopaedia. The information needs to be encyclopaedic, regardless or whether it's sourced or not.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  13:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Downeys personal life heading his Wing Chun Kung fu training is very relevant its mentioned already but it is not enough. How is Mel Gibson's friendship more relevant that his Wing Chun training which extends into his professional career. This has been stated talked about and written in media more than enough. Australianblackbelt (talk) 00:37, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I can guarantee you that I won't be the last to write a brief paragraph on Downeys wing chun training... The wing chun community world wide is becoming extremely large and Downey is our idol like is Bruce Lee. Your going to have to keep deleting like you did my work, good luck with that I hope you resolve whatever personal problems you have regarding this. Australianblackbelt (talk) 12:20, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * You most certainly will be. And I'd like to see you try.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  12:33, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

You'd like to see me try? is that encouragement or you being childish? I hope its encouragement. Here you go these are the references on Oram and Downey's profecional relationship http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/The-Comeback-Kid http://www.mensfitness.com/life/entertainment/robert-downey-jr-he-was-skinny http://m.tmz.com/#article/2015/12/25/robert-downey-pardon-kung-fu-eric-oram/ http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/robert-downey-jr-s-cosmic-punishment-20121017 http://www.mensfitnessmagazine.com.au/2012/08/holmes-improvement-2/ http://m.fightland.vice.com/blog/how-wing-chun-helped-robert-downey-jr-battle-addiction  Why not write about Oram and Downey's Wing Chun training (Australianblackbelt (talk) 00:02, 12 May 2016 (UTC))


 * , look, I understand why you're doing this, but this certainly isn't the place to discuss the matter. Go to Downey Jr's talk page if the issue lies specifically with this article. Aimlessly (and I use this term loosely) badgering me about it isn't going to get you anywhere. Please heed my advice.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  13:34, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

I recently made an edit to the RDJ page where I listed him as an "actor and singer" and you had said that I had made a disruptive edit. Downey Jr. has sang in many projects and has even released an album, so I don't believe that I made any disruptive edits to the page. (ChristianJosephAllbee (talk) 02:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC))


 * , just because Downey released one album and made a few appearances in songs (while doing his television work, mind you), that doesn't make "singer" and "musician" main occupations of his. There was a similar issue at Hugh Jackman's article a few months back. My suggestion would be to go to Downey's talk page and discuss the best course of action there, like with Jackman. I went down the "disruptive" route because I've given you warnings before.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  02:32, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I think would have to agree in that Downey is not a Singer Or musician given his profession and success in acting the album would be seen as a hobby unlike somebody who makes a living from music. btw there are two sources about Downey fight choreography in Captain America: Civil War which was nominated for the Screen Actors Guild Award for Outstanding Performance by a Stunt Ensemble in a Motion Picture there is also an article about the stunt and choreography here http://comicbook.com/2015/10/03/robert-downey-jr-s-fight-coordinator-eric-oram-on-the-unique-cha/ The Downey Jr page is so big I have no idea where to add this information, if you have a chance it would be good itf you do it seeing as your the most experienced with it. (Australianblackbelt (talk) 13:09, 12 February 2017 (UTC))


 * , I honestly don't understand why you would want to keep bringing this up. You were told "no" over nine months ago.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  23:23, 18 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Oram has already been added to Downey's page under #Addiction_and_sobriety... now this page is up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Oram it would be good to have something about the fight scenes on work on Downey's page but I'm not sure where to write about it. It has nothing to do with William Cheung who's page I rewrote same as Ip Man, I've written several articles since our discussion hence I am a far better editor now than then.(Australianblackbelt (talk) 07:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC))

Russell Crowe
Stop criticising unconditionally. If you are unhappy that a change is not sourced to your satisfaction help me put it right. B. Fairbairn (talk) 04:54, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * , OK, at least you're willing to work together. I was just looking through trying to fix it, however, when I noticed that the source that you provided links to a video. You need to find a proper news article which will support the information that you have implemented. I'm afraid that I'll have to remove it again until you can provide a reliable source which fits this description, which shouldn't be too hard to find. Linking to a video won't be able to cut it.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  05:04, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your cooperation. Source has been added.  Refers to article and image showing Russell at the 2014 grand final. B. Fairbairn (talk) 05:14, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll leave Nadal alone even though the only thing he is a threat to are his fingers just prior to serving. B. Fairbairn (talk) 05:14, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


 * In regards to Crowe, I was just doing my job. In regards to Rafael Nadal, leave your opinions out of this.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  05:16, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

RE:
I said I was sorry. I didn't know. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill- assume good faith.--Valkyrie Red (talk) 08:01, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * , "Soz" is not an apology. And you reverted me straight after – I'll bet if I hadn't given you a warning (followed by a second), then the story would be very different. I'm not going to assume good faith unto anyone who chooses to be a genre warrior.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  08:09, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * What happened was I reverted you before you had posted your message on my talk page. When I saw that, I realized that you had a good reason for the revertion, and so I went to revert my own edit, but by that point you had already reverted my second revert and that's what lead to this situation now. It was ultimately a misunderstanding.--Valkyrie Red (talk) 08:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can see that now. And I understood that you've dabbled in genres before, which is why I wanted to make sure that you took my message on board. Next time, please think twice before reverting someone's revert without discussion. Everyone here wants to try and make this place better and ultimately more civil, I'm sure. Thank you.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  09:00, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Cody Walker Page
I saw your edits on my edits about Cody Walker, where you mentioned that I did not reference properly. I was actually providing additional information on his background, which i later referenced based on his brother's. I don't proofs always have to be from the horse's mouth. I believe the background of David could work for Cody, since it is shared.

And then, you talked about me thinking before typing next time (or something like that), a statement I do not find particularly necessary. You questioned my intentions and I would tell you now: There is a bigger error or Furious 7, and I can not correct that until I make enough edits. That is one. Another is that I just want to contribute more.

Enough said.

Topefabusola (talk) 12:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * , this did not look like something that belonged on the page, particularly when you look at the wording and not just the referencing itself. I don't mind the fact that the reference itself might refer to Paul Walker because the article was written with him in mind or something, but actually writing about it as though it was about Paul specifically (and not Cody, the subject of the article), regardless of notability, was incorrect, and it wasn't "shared". I just thought it was so bizarre that I removed it, as I didn't really know what it was. And I don't see anybody else complaining, so I'll let you decide what's "particularly necessary" and what's not.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  13:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Metallica
Hey man. Just pinged you as you have been involved with the reverting. Cheers  Rob van  vee  16:14, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Band members section
"... the infobox policy does not affect the band members section." Why shouldn't it? I would like to open a discussion on this; do you know where I can bring this up?  danny music editor  ~talk to me!~ 21:12, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I can't help you, even if I wanted to. I neither have the time nor patience to be dealing with more amendments or additions to policy. I put in this particular invisible note on countless pages some time ago, so without being biased, if I were you, I would just leave it how it is.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  21:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Who said you had to contribute to the discussion? If you don't want to take part, that's okay; I'll let others. I just wanted to know where I could open a discussion.  danny music editor  ~talk to me!~ 21:05, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * And I said that I can't help you; that is, I wouldn't know where to start either. I'm sure you'll be able to find something, but personally, I don't see why this particular format needs to be changed. The band members and timeline complement each other this way.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  21:48, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Desist from editing without being sure
Probably you did not watch Furious 7. If you did, you would know there was no Somalian mercenary in that film. I would advise you to get your facts straight before editing next time. That was how you kept deleting information I added to Cody Walker's page, even though it was obviously right, as confirmed by his brother. I don't know what you think you are doing, but editing and removing facts from an encyclopaedia is base. Please, be wise.Topefabusola (talk) 16:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

By the way, I will be returning it as I last edited. I advise you to watch the film again before editing.Topefabusola (talk) 16:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I just added a reference from the wikia website. If that do not suffice, watch the film. One more thing: Jakande is a name that exclusively belongs to The Yoruba Race that dwells predominantly in Nigeria, West Africa - A Race I belong to. Like I said earlier, get your facts straight. You are so much far from being a know-all - farther than you could ever imagine.Topefabusola (talk) 16:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * , read the message I left on your talk page. This is still original research, and the information that you presented came from an unreliable source. Any Wiki can be edited by just about anyone, and if this site didn't have any reliable sources, then it makes the site itself just as unreliable. And this has got nothing to do with what country or race you might come from. I would advise you to get your facts straight next time.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  22:10, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Fast 8 article
Hey 4TheWynne! Thanks for adding content from the Draft:Fast 8, but it was not a right way to create article (by copy-pasting). You should've told me first, and I would've ask an admin to move the draft to mainspace. But no worries, please do not further edit the mainspace article, so an admin can move the draft easily. Thanks man. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 02:46, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello! The draft is moved now, you can contribute the article freely. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 09:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry about all of the confusion – I'll keep that in mind for next time. Don't worry, I've already made several edits to the page since it was moved, but thanks anyway. And thanks for giving me a bit of freedom in expanding the article, and in general for helping me out. With regards,  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  10:05, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

WADA substance controversy in Sharapova's page
Hello. Hi. I notice that you erase some contain inside the article section, which is some statement from Boxer Carl Frampton and Doubles tennis player Kristina Mladenovic regarding with Sharapova's doping scandal. May I know the reason why?. It is very important that their statement about Sharapova is also reliable for the page and do not erasing that. Sharapova's profile must be real and although perhaps she's your favorite player but we are editor and must do a fair work?. Do you understand that?. Thank you. Politsi (talk) 08:24, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't understand half of what you're saying, so I'm just going to say this: this is not an issue that concerns me alone, so I would use the talk page if you wanted to get your point across. There was nothing unfair or untoward about my intentions – are you just disappointed because the contributions that were removed were yours? Anyway, my suggestion would be to go to the talk page. I hope it's nothing personal.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  08:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my bad english. I'm not speak with that language. and yes I'm disappointed because the contributions that were removed were mine. But now that section is good actually and please maintain it. Sharapova is really a cheat player but she's hot as hell. Politsi (talk) 10:09, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Excuse me? I'm sorry, but your opinions of Sharapova as a player and person are completely irrelevant to all of this. Now I'm actually starting to question your intentions related to this matter.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  10:13, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I just collected any reference and comment about Sharapova's doping scandal from her fellow tennis players and I found out, that all of them saying her as a cheat tennis player. Most of Meldonium using case is happens on Russian athletes. I just show from what I saw. Sharapova is a cheat as her fellow Russian athletes and she deserve to be punished. That remark should be include on her Biopage.Politsi (talk) 11:07, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * What you're saying still doesn't sway me. In fact, you weren't just collecting "any reference(s) and comment(s)", you were collecting what appears to be the harshest ones which seem to support what you just presented to me (which to me looks like your opinion, which is not relevant). I would just wait and see if you get a reply on the talk page; if not, I would leave this issue alone.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  11:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Whatever source I collect regarding Sharapova's doping scandal, which is a harsh thing or not?. It's a fact!. And I take that from a reliable source, not from my personal perspective. I know how you feel Wynee.. since you're mention on your profile that she's is your favorite tennis player, but come on!. If the fact revealed she's a cheat. Then so be it!. And leave the WADA substance controversy in Sharapova's page in current condition. It looks good although some statement inside has been remove. Politsi (talk) 11:38, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * What you should have been able to take from this is that it has nothing to do with how I feel towards her, either, and that it hasn't influenced the way that I have gone about this. I was going to leave the section in its current state anyway, so we're done here.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  11:49, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Rise Against editor
Hey. Thanks for notifying me of Jg9443 block evasion. I've got the talk page of Rise Against on my watchlist, so I should usually catch him every time, but please, any time you catch someone who looks like a sockpuppet of his, by all means, let me know and I'll look into it.

As a side note, I don't think you have to worry about him escalating things. If you look closely at this edit, you'll see that he's not actually at WP:ANI or WP:AN, but rather, he's trying to report us at WP:ADMIN, which is the basic policy/definition page explaining what Admin do. Basically, I don't think he has the WP:COMPETENCY to even file a report, and if he did, there's no way he'd present anything actionable, because he's completely on the wrong side of policy. FYI. Sergecross73  msg me  12:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No worries. And I'm not worried – I was just making a point that the editor was really trying to escalate the situation into something far worse. I know that, had someone seen his message, nothing bad would have come out of it for anybody but himself... but it just would have been embarrassing.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  12:48, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Fiennes family
You are right to revert, because I forgot to give my reference! The present reference is a dead link. Clifford Mill (talk) 04:13, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

And just so we're clear...
I thought I'd point out that I wasn't so much "retaliating" as responding. Checkingfax begins the discussion by templating me with a warning of immediate blocking (1. After I point out that not only is the template the wrong one to use but that its also rude, and to not template the regulars, the contributor does it again less than three hours later{2}. My conversations with Sundayclose have all been of the type to dismantle the rhetoric. I thought you might want to know the background a little bit better. -Jack Sebastian (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I would agree that your message on my talk page was directed at "dismantling the rhetoric". But if you refer to your comments directed toward me at Talk:Natalie Portman, I must strongly disagree. If anything, those comments for the most part escalated the rhetoric. Sundayclose (talk) 16:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


 * What's more, I never actually said where you left those messages. And don't worry – I was already aware of the discussions that were taking place via user talk pages. I had to play catch-up a little bit to read the whole discussion initially, but I have a pretty good understanding of the issue.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  00:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Simon Duggan
Thanks for the message. I have added the citation as requested. I could have used a number of pages as citations but wasn't sure which one was best. Anyway, new to this, thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcunningham.melb (talk • contribs) 04:11, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * , throwing in a URL for a personal site doesn't constitute a reliable source. Use the link that I have provided (both here and in your warnings) to find out how to cite sources properly. Thank you.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  05:18, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I have updated the citation source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcunningham.melb (talk • contribs) 06:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


 * , it still isn't a reliable, third-party source (nor is it correctly cited, for that matter), but for the sake of avoiding going back and forth, I'll leave it be unless someone else disagrees. One thing I would like to let you know, lastly, is that when you post a comment somewhere, you need to sign your comments using four tildes (~) . Hopefully that will help for in the future.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  07:05, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Liam Neeson
Please desist from removing referenced material on the Liam Neeson page. 37.228.205.224 (talk) 15:47, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * , I've lost count of the amount of times that you've been asked to take this discussion to the talk page. Clearly you are completely oblivious as to why I (and several others) have been removing this information. Please go to the talk page and discuss the issue properly like every other editor.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  20:38, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Hugh Jackman
I am aware of the guidelines as I was posting material on a talk page of an actor that was sourced. Nobody bothered to. You made a mistake. Most people on wikipedia do not research. Majinsnake (talk) 08:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)


 * , I don't really understand what you're talking about. In the end, the edit that you made, about some WWE incident, sourced or not, was trivial, so I removed it. End of story.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  11:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

If were trivial, it would not have been sourced by multiple sources. When did it become "end of story"?. You say that because you refuse to see what valid information given to you. That is how most people on Wikipedia are that I have come across. I have seen some sites that say Dolph Ziggler's jaw was broken, and others say it was false. Perhaps, that is where your word "trivial" comes into play. Either way, it should still be acknowledged on either the wrestler's page or Hugh Jackman's. Probably the wrestler's. I am pretty sure I left something on that talk-page, but it was removed. I have had numerous people removed my contributions that were valid. I feel like saying why bother contributing things that are valid, if they are just going to be removed? You are the person left this on my talk-page. "If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you'     Therefore, I responded to yours. I expected a detailed response from you considering you left that message on my talk-page.   Majinsnake (talk) 06:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)


 * , you just answered your own question – twice. If "that is how most people on Wikipedia are that you have come across", then perhaps they are telling you something. Perhaps your interpretation of what is valid and what is trivial is different to those of more experienced editors. In the end, that is all that it comes down to. I most certainly do not "refuse to see what valid information [is] given to me" – that's just not always what I get. Anyway, I'm not going to stop you if you decide to implement it on Dolph Ziggler's page, but if someone else does, then I hope you understand why. Thank you.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  11:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Fall Out Boy
Sorry about that. I didn't know that it needs to be discussed. I moved the sources for pop to the musical style and influences section so that the infobox looks more clear. EuropeanSwedenAmerican2222 (talk) 00:45, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Saosin
It was shown that Pat McGrath from Prototype was session drummer for Saosin's first EP, Translating the Name, which came out 2003. I edited both pages so it is aware that Pat did play drums but if there is gonna be little editing to either page, make sure not to remove either band from both wiki pages, thanks. 321rematch (talk) 01:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * , for reasons explained in my edit summaries, neither are associated acts with each other, as Magrath wasn't a full member for Saosin, not was he a full member for Prototype at the time. He left the band about a year earlier.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  03:42, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Fast 8
— Maile (talk) 13:38, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

May 2016
What are you talking about? Pmaster12 (talk) 00:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC) I'm not disruptive editing. I'm putting a source indicating that a cast member is associated with that particular subject. Pmaster12 (talk) 00:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC) It's been a lot of false edits and rumors going on. That's why I tried to put a source on it. Pmaster12 (talk) 00:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * , as explained in my edit summary, I had already sourced Pataky's addition to the cast further below, in the "Casting" section. The only reason why I went down the "disruptive" path is because the source that you added was in Spanish but did not include the language parameter, and because the addition of the nickname "Mr Nobody" has been removed several times.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  01:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that even it's spanish but it's related to the subject. I also I thought that source you put violates the guidelines of wikipedia but that's another discussion for another day. Anyways, the character is obviously known as Mr. Nobody at this moment of time until the next one next year. You can do your research on that. Pmaster12 (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2016 (UTC) You can put two names with a / between the two. Pmaster12 (talk) 18:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * , Instagram itself is used quite often as a source, along with Twitter. And don't give me, "the character is obviously known as Mr. Nobody at this moment of time until the next one next year". The character was most often sourced as Frank Petty outside of Wikipedia prior to the release of Furious 7, and Mr Nobody is nothing more than a nickname, even if it was used more often than the character's actual name. For example, this is why Dwayne Johnson's character isn't credited simply as "Hobbs" on Wikipedia, because that would simply be wrong. Anyway, I did my research long ago, so I would advise you to watch your tone.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  04:44, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

First of all, your answer is exactly what proves my point. That's why I have []. Some sources are reliable on twitter but not always. It depends on if the tweet is specific and if it's not it's not trustworthy at all. Second of all, Exactly it's a nickname that's what he's called right now. It is what is. Just because their sources outside of Wikipedia doesn't mean the name could or would not change. That's why at the moment is why he credited by that nickname until otherwise which it's next year. Third of all, NO you watch your tone. I've been nothing but trying to have a conversation which was started by you accusing me of disruptive editing which I don't understand where that coming from. I believe I know what doing to some degree. So I'm telling you, it's alright to disagree but don't try to make this into a debate or some sort of back and forth because I don't think you want to go that route trust me. I know my intentions when I'm here and not disrupting anything. That's it. Pmaster12 (talk) 09:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Well hopefully this settled and we can move forward but meanwhile have a nice day. Pmaster12 (talk) 09:57, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Linkin Park
Linkin Park is recording a new album, although it is yet to be announced, can you put TBA (2016) for their discography 321rematch (talk) 04:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * , TBAs aren't allowed in discography sections, so no, I will not.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) ' 09:44, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Okay thanks for letting me know. I wasn't aware. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 321rematch (talk • contribs) 05:29, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Fall out boy genres
On the fall out boy Wikipedia page the genres use to be: Pop punk, pop rock, alternative rock and pop, which were not added by me. You removed alternative rock and pop and added emo. While I do agree fall out boy is an emo band, I also believe alternative rock and pop should be included in the genre listing. Please let me know what you think. Bobsouth3596 (talk) 22:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)


 * , this is not about what I, you, or anyone else thinks, or what the section used to look like previously. You need to provide reliable sources to support your additions, as it is a very sensitive issue, and you have failed to do so thus far. As a result, because I've already left a warning on your talk page and you have failed to notice it, I've reported you for genre warring.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  23:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Warcraft box office
Since it's a box office section and we’re talking in terms of box office and not dictionary and geography “domestic” here connotes to both the U.S. and Canada. We take all the box office informations and data from Rentak (which also joins the U.S. and Canada together), and how can we just right US when the source from which the informations are acquired mentions both the US and Canada. Thats sort of like misleading right?!! I mean anyone in the movie industry probably knows that and I don't know why you would want to wage an argument and discussion about this. I'm not trying to be mean bit it's like I said 2+2=4 and u say 3. This not coming from me but Rentrak and Box Office Mojo and probably every single box office tracking sites ok. So at the end of the day if we write just US when the source is also inculcating dates from Canada, that would just be wrong and bias. Josephlalrinhlua786 (talk) 09:11, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


 * , I already said that I understand this. I went onto your talk page and apologised and admitted to being wrong, and you give me, "I don't know why you would want to wage an argument and discussion about this". Where did that come from? I think you need to watch your tone, full stop.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  10:26, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry too. :) now let's spread some love — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josephlalrinhlua786 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Not much of an apology (wasn't even signed, so I had to do it for you), and I don't see how you can just switch it on and switch it off like that. But I'm willing to move past this, seeing as there's nothing to discuss.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  13:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Metallica genre
Look, the reason why I am editing Metallica so much is because they are a thrash metal band, not a heavy metal band. I mean, they were apart of the big four of thrash metal. Hopefully you can understand why I am editing Metallica's genres. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killea (talk • contribs) 01:11, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * , you can't just change the genre without discussing first. You should go to the talk page to do that. In this case, we tend to be less specific, and you have already been told that the thrash metal information is mentioned further down in the section and in the infobox, so arguing would be pointless.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  01:18, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

promo
so josh, oh the mistakes with you, 17 years old, just a boy, just a boy and a editor of wikipedia Double Impact &#39;91 (talk) 07:21, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * , I don't understand what you're trying to say. I've reported you because you were editing disruptively and violating WP:BLP policies, nothing more. What is talking about my user page going to achieve?  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  07:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I've blocked this user and his IPs, so perhaps that will stop the harassment. -- Kinu  t/c 07:32, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help, . I wasn't expecting someone to react so quickly. I've also sent thanks on one of your edits.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  07:34, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Liam Neeson nationality
I saw your change to Liam Neeson and your post on the IP address user´s talk page.

The fact is Liam Neeson has consistently referred to himself as Irish, is known internationally as an Irish actor who happens to be from Northern Ireland where being Irish is recognised under the Good Friday Agreement just as it is in the rest of Ireland, Irishness is also a nationality not just an ethnicity,

Can you explain your rationale by your "warning" how any of that is "controversial" and "defamatory", because to be quite honest, maybe you are a new user or used the wrong template, but nevertheless that warning to the anonymous IP was ridiculous. Tyrsóg (talk) 13:49, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * , this might come as a surprise to you, but I'm actually quite sick of reverting these edits; I actually think that all of those are good enough reasons to put him simply as an Irish actor, as you and seemingly everyone else has been suggesting over the last year or so. However, I'm doing my duty here by following a very strict consensus, and that's not to put "Irish" without adding several reliable sources and establishing a new consensus first. You are quite entitled to your opinion, but I am by no means a new user. Perhaps if you care so much, it should fall to you to begin the discussion on this matter and put forward a reasonable argument.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  23:07, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for remind me
I open for any input, critics and advice. Thank you Politsi (talk) 08:40, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Band members order
Hey there. I noticed your revert on my edit on the order of band members. The order is meant to be by date joined and is indeed the correct way of doing it, despite the note you added. This was brought up a while back in a discussion, here, and was decided to order it by date joined, rather than instrumentation. Thanks.  Sekyaw  (talk)  00:18, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * A heads-up in the initial edit would have been better, . I was actually involved in that same discussion early on, but did not know that it had reached that conclusion. And I didn't actually say or indicate in any way that I added the note, just that I was following it. Anyway, thanks for letting me know.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  05:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


 * My apologies, . I assumed you added the note from this section I noticed on your talk page, User talk:4TheWynne, where you said you added a note on many pages. But, if it wasn't you who added it on this one or if that note was for some other situation, I'm sorry for assuming so. Have a nice day!  Sekyaw  (talk)  12:01, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Chloë Grace Moretz editing
I only corrected the misspelling in IPA pronunciation. The accent symbol goes before the stressed syllable, i.e. in this case before -retz, like in veracity /və ˈræs ət |i/ (this is from Longman Pronunciation Dictionary). If I got it wrong, explain me the reason. I'm confused. Thank you very much, PaoloZ (talk) 11:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I found another one: morale /mə ˈrɑːl/ PaoloZ (talk) 11:16, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

May I ask you if you undone more than one of my contributions, and which ones? PaoloZ (talk) 11:29, 21 July 2016 (UTC)


 * , relax. I haven't reverted any more of your edits, just the one. If I had to put a reason to why I thought it was correct the first time, I'd say it's due to typical American pronunciation, which supports the original pronunciation (which has gone unchallenged for ages) rather than the amended one. I could be completely wrong, but regardless, I would have thought that the best course of action would have been to bring it up on the talk page and discuss there.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  12:12, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but when I wrote accent symbol I meant the symbol to express the stressed vowel. The convention in IPA to express the stressed syllable is to put an apostrophe before the stressed syllable, not before the stressed vowel. In this case we have two syllables Mo- and -retz, not Mor- and -etz. This is a minor issue. It's like a correction in misspelling its with or without the apostrophe. The type of correction I'm doing all the time in every Wikipedia project. If you need I write it on the Talk page I will do it, but if I have to discuss every correction I make on Wikipedia I will cease to do it. Sorry, but if before Wikipedia was too control-free, now if I want to make a contribution, I have to do so much paperwork. PaoloZ (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne
Ive already gave the reference/site before edit.So how im getting block?Unless im stating false fact without giving a reference/site then wiki may block me.Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undermypotema (talk • contribs) 10:12, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


 * , the first reference that you added (one that was supposed to link to Billboard) was a dead URL, but the second was completely unnecessary (I also removed the image that it was seemingly linked to, which was added without discussion), and I'm not even sure why it would belong there. I deemed it to be disruptive – I've seen that you've been warned about this kind of thing before, and clearly English isn't your first language (or else you've got some serious grammar problems) just going by your message alone, so perhaps you aren't quite ready to edit Wikipedia yet.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  11:14, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

FOB
Ohhh. Thanks for the wake-up call. In that case, would you mind fixing the band members table to reflect that? I butcher them every time.  danny music editor  Speak up! 02:34, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Re your edit to User talk:Alice Lascurain...
...and also your edit summary at Talk:Jeremy Renner...

Yes, of course I know that I could have just reverted Alice Lascurain's request?post? without an explanation but then she wouldn't have learned anything about how to use Wikipedia. And I am not sure her post was an attempt to promo something or a fan type of attempt to perhaps try to contact Mr. Renner...for all I know it could have been a genuine effort to add credible information to the article with a language barrier getting in the way (yes, yes,...probably not but it is possible...) And, seeing as how this was her first edit to Wikipedia, I decided that a response on the talk page she posted to was appropriate.

By the way, is there any particular reason you use Level 2 Warnings as the first communication on user talk pages with only one edit like you did on Alice Lascurain's & User talk:171.96.125.39? Shearonink (talk) 14:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * , thanks for bringing this up. My short answer to your first stance is that I think a lot of experienced Wikipedia editors are far too lenient sometimes on new users who come to Wikipedia and use it for the wrong reasons, which is what I thought was the case when you didn't revert the edit to Renner's talk page. I thought – and this might be an unpopular opinion, I don't know – that it was an obvious disruptive edit, but I thought because of this user's word choices, ignoring the possible language barrier (from my experience, it also doesn't guarantee that this user is necessarily female because of her username), it could have been a possible promo. It was certainly closer to that than "a genuine effort to add credible information to the article". This ties into my answer to your second stance – normally when I see a new IP/user make an edit, whether it be their first, second, third, tenth, etc., and there isn't already a warning on their talk page or it hasn't been created yet, I decide on the severity of the warning (if I need to give one) based on the severity of the edit. 70% of the time, I give a Level 1 warning, because it's not a huge deal; 25% of the time, I give a Level 2 warning because I get the nagging feeling that the user isn't here to make proper contributions to Wikipedia (which is how I felt on this occasion, hence the Level 2 warning); and the other 5%, when I give a Level 3 or higher, is when it is dead obvious. I hope I have answered your questions as best as I can to your liking. Thanks.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  22:09, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, I made the choice to not revert their edit. I answered their post as best I could figure it out, and left the content visible to the general readership - maybe they were a troll, maybe they were a little kid who loves Jeremy Renner and wanted to do something funny, but at least they would have been given an answer.  I do get your point about fighting vandalism - it is an unending task - but if you had a problem with my contribution at the talk page, I wish you had mentioned your deletion on my User talk.  Heh, besides, I think "lenient" might be a misnomer when it comes to my Warning-style and interactions with possible vandals.  When it seems obvious to me I will sometimes skip Level 1 and go straight to a level 2 or even a 3.  I'll give out a Level 4 if the vandalism is absolutely obvious/disgusting & to a WP:BLP etc. & if warranted make a quick report to a noticeboard.  I just remember what WP was like to me when I first started, how absolutely overwhelming it was (and lol still is sometimes) so I try to think AGF first and then Hammer-down second.  In the past I have removed an experienced editor's contributions on a WP talk page but always drop them a note on their User talk to let them know how/why/what (even if it is a housekeeping type of action).  We're basically in agreement on the generalities of fighting vandalism, just in this case I am in disagreement with you about the specifics.  But that's cool. Thanks for the reply, Shearonink (talk) 00:05, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Hardwired
Have you considered leaving the genre field empty until reviews come out? We can't add genre based on one song from twelve, so I suggest to wait for critics' opinion on that.--Retrohead (talk) 12:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


 * , I have indeed, but why then was the field being reverted back to just having thrash metal? I think, for the time being, it should either have both (consistent with previous albums, as alluded to before), or neither. I don't mind, personally, but I think something is better than nothing.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  12:39, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * My point was that the article can't feature unreferenced content. If someone wants to add genre, let him provide a source. Copying the genres from Death Magnetic is not the best solution.--Retrohead (talk) 12:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

again really!?
metallica did a hard rock album and a alternative metal album so they did music from that genres Norschweden (talk) 13:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * , that is correct, but that does not make them a hard rock or alternative rock band. This isn't just something that you can add without discussing first, and I left a message within my warning on your talk page giving you instructions. You really need to stop this behaviour – if you continue to repeatedly ignore and/or delete my warnings and just add genres as you will, then I will report you to administrators for genre warring, again.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  14:14, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * it makes them a band with the genres hard rock and alternative metal Norschweden (talk) 14:26, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * , stop being difficult to work with. Either discuss on the talk page, or leave the issue alone. Choose the unmentioned third option and I'm not sure if the administrators who saw the previous case will be as lenient.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  22:50, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * who is difficult here? the genre of a band is the genre of their music ind if they did more than two styles of music, they have more than two genres, there is nothing to diskuss Norschweden (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Your comment above couldn't be more incorrect, it is completely possible for a Thrash metal band to release a Pop Rock song/album, for example, Van Halen is Hard Rock / Heavy Metal but Jump is Pop rock & Glam metal, so thinking that a band can only release songs and/or albums within the bands genre is absurd.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 01:49, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * a glam rock song doesn't make them a glam rock band, but a band that played glam rock, so one of the genres they played is glam rock Norschweden (talk) 02:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


 * , but that part of the infobox isn't just a list of every single genre that a band has ever played or dabbled in. The genres listed are the band's main genres – in Metallica's case, heavy metal and thrash metal. Nice and simple. Adding anything more will make it complicated and, to an extent, inaccurate. Please drop the issue.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  03:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * not every single, but when they do two albums in one genre it should be in the infobox Norschweden (talk) 04:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Vin Diesel
Hello 4TheWynne,

I came here to argue that my edit on Vin Diesel's filmography section is neither "unconstructive" nor "disruptive". Vin Diesel is an actor and also a producer, having produced nearly half of the films he stars in. To reflect that, it makes sense to edit his filmography wikitable the way I did. The way it is right now, now that you've reverted my edit, it's unclear, unorganized and ugly to look at, with "Producer" written in half of the Notes section. It is modeled similarly to filmographies of other filmmakers who assume multiple jobs (actor/director/producer/writer), e.g. George Clooney, Kevin Smith, Judd Apatow, George Lucas, the list goes on. Of course it's not necessary for e.g. actors who produced one or two movies by the side... But for someone like Diesel who produced 15 of the ca. 30 films he starred in, it's absolutely necessary to portray it the way I did, instead of writing "Producer" next to half of his films.

You could argue that columns for "Director" and "Writer" may not be necessary because he only directed/wrote three films. We could make a compromise and I could leave out those columns. But I insist on having a seperate "Producer" column. --Invader Phantom (talk) 15:14, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


 * , that's perfectly fine – I just didn't think that having all of the other columns was necessary, hence "Unnecessary". You could throw in the separate "Producer" column, but how would that look without the other two? Would it look just as messy – is it something that can be compromised? I don't have a problem with the idea, because I'm well aware of the amount of films that he has had a hand in producing. Just something to think about.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  22:42, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

The use of talk-pages
The use of talk-pages are ment to be for improving of the articles. But hold your horses before erasing everything that you may think is too short. In the case of Ralph Fiennes - I ment that in Schindler's List does he show that he can master playing a tyrant. In Coriolanus does he portray proudness itself, in In Bruges is it gangster-related madness and in The Constant Gardner sadness. The lines I wrote at the talk-page (in fewer words) was ment for those who possibly have watched all these films, and they aimed for others to attempt to improve the article. This type of short messages have been discussed many many times before, and the conclution I have drawn is that such short talk-page inputs are allowed. Just as questions are. - Like this A - "Why isn't this mentioned ?" or B - "I suggest that this is mentioned", there is no essential difference. And both aims (presumably) to improve the article. A good example of the use of talk-pages can be found at the talk-page of Danish pastry (stydy it well...) Cheers Boeing720 (talk) 00:29, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * , I didn't erase your message because it was too short, and I don't know how or why you came to that conclusion. And don't come here trying to explain to me what talk pages are meant for... clearly if you think that "If there was a "Best Actor ever" prize, then I suggest it would be given to Ralph Fiennes" is "[supposed] to be for improving of the articles", then you can "hold your horses". You were not suggesting a possible improvement to the article, you were talking him up, and that's not what talk pages are for. Therefore, I removed your message, as I perceived it to be disruptive editing.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  00:48, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi 4TheWynne. There are many ways to suggest an improvement of an article. If you do study other examples, you might find dubious and truely disruptive statements. I gave a good example of this, which I think you actually could learn from. All well. Over and out. Boeing720 (talk) 19:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Removal of userpage posts
Hi, 4TheWynne. Boeing470 is allowed to remove posts from his talkpage. It may be rude, including the edit summary, but it's specifically allowed in the userpage guideline, and you're not supposed to put it back. The removal demonstrates that he has read it, so in that sense it's a good thing. I've reverted your reinsertion. (You certainly did right to remove the comment at Talk:Ralph Fiennes, compare the section above; talkpages aren't for general chat about the subject, and I'd have thought Boeing720 has been here long enough to know it.) Bishonen &#124; talk 02:57, 22 September 2016 (UTC). PS, no, actually I didn't revert your reinsertion; somebody else beat me to it. Bishonen &#124; talk 03:01, 22 September 2016 (UTC).


 * I think that was meant more as a case of "Don't Template the Regulars" (DTTR). Besides, removing a message from the user talk page is typically considered an acknowledgement that it has been read. ViperSnake151   Talk  02:59, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and while I appreciate your input, I'm still of the impression that the comment was ignored (not acknowledged) before it was removed. That's just the vibe that I got from the edit summary that he gave, which I was less than pleased with, and that's why I reverted the edit on his talk page. For someone who has made a similar number of edits as me and has been on the site for more than four years, I would have expected far better. I know I might sound like I'm contradicting myself here, but I'm also very much aware of WP:DTTR, and sometimes I tend to overlook it because, based on the user's behaviour, I might think that he or she should not get special consideration just because they have been on Wikipedia longer than others. To put it simply, I consider myself a good judge of character, and that often reflects in my revert/warning pattern. Anyway, thanks for leaving me with this information.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  08:13, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Daniel Craig changes
Hi 4TheWynne

I made changes to Craig as what was currently there was not accurate in the slightest. Daniel Craig has never made any public comment about his personal beliefs and is very private about them. The previous source was incorrect and from a non reliable source. My source was reliable as it is taken directly from a Craig interview — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.226.74.123 (talk) 12:47, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Not sure what this message I received was about, I've never edited Daniel Craig's page, and I can't find anywhere to see the history of this change. Any insight 4TheWynne?


 * You did here -- ‖ Ebyabe talk - Border Town  ‖ 21:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I didn't, but someone in my office might have. That's why I was confused. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.155.183.18 (talk) 19:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi !
The edit you told me about Fast 7 wasn't unconstructive, actually it is correct 'Frank Petty' is actually 'Mr.Nobody' please put my edits back son.

Thank You

Gandalf the Wizard 16:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC) Gandalf the Wizard 16:14, 26 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gandalf the Wizard (talk • contribs)


 * , no, "son", I will not. I would like to, but because the character is credited as "Mr Nobody" in this particular film, we are supposed to leave it like that. Don't worry, I've tried changing it before – this is a long-standing argument which I used to have with other, more experienced editors, regarding the character's name. It is, however, represented by the character's real name, Frank Petty, in the cast section of Fast 8.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  23:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Yeah you're right, but actually I am older than you, that's why I called you son, but you took it as a joke, no worries I couldn't stop laughing when I read that.

Bye Son

Gandalf the Wizard 03:30, 27 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gandalf the Wizard (talk • contribs)


 * , no, I know exactly why you put in "son"; I didn't simply "take it as a joke". It really pisses me off when older editors who haven't been in the system for very long (such as yourself) find it funny that someone my age would editing on Wikipedia, and poke fun at me because of my age. Maybe once you've made 6,000 edits rather than 28, you'll understand what I'm talking about. Anyway, seeing as you're not here to make any meaningful suggestions or have a proper discussion, end of conversation, old timer.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  03:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

— Confession0791 talk 00:41, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Pronunciation matters
Joshua - thank you for all you do for Wikipedia. I appreciate its accuracy and intent to inform. On Ralph Fiennes' page the name "Ralph" appears 24 times so it's important the reader is informed early on how to pronounce it correctly (i.e. /reɪf/), else they will do so incorrectly all 24 times, which reinforces mis-education, not education. 330 million North Americans alone will naturally gravitate to "Ralph" not "Raiph" when they read this two dozen times. I hope you would agree that being accurate matters here. Perhaps you might prefer putting /reɪf/ at the beginning with the pronuciation of "Fiennes"? Best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.194.78 (talk) 02:37, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I didn't disagree with having it there, the only problem was that you added the pronunciation to the wrong section, which is why I removed it. However, I had a look through the page history and saw that it had been removed a couple of months back for no good reason, so I've added it back to the lead section, which is where you would have been able to find it before. Hopefully this resolves any issues.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  02:52, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. This looks good. Off now to right the rest of the world's wrongs... Best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.194.78 (talk) 03:08, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Hardwired... to Self-Destruct song lengths
How do you know the lengths of the song on the album, I can't find it anywhere? BigMan43 (talk) 03:21, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


 * , as alluded to in my edit summary, if you go onto iTunes and have a look in the Store, you should be able to find the official times there, but seeing as you aren't able to view them online (at the time of this message being posted), I think that it would be because the times and other minor details are only available to those who have pre-ordered the album (through iTunes or otherwise) at the present time. That would be my best guess – hope that helps.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  10:05, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Hugh Jackman
Hello. There is nothing wrong with my recent contributionS! It was just my edit on Jackman page that didn't appear constructive to YOU. Sorry you can't just go round, delete others edits and warn them on their talk page because you feel like it. The previous wording was not 'perfectly fine' because it just refers to the genres of his films but as I said most of this actor's characters and roles are completely opposite and he is known for this so it should be mentioned. There are other actors who play in various movie genres but their "roles" are often similar. Eyesweetsugarcandy (talk) 06:03, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * , it appears I'm not the only one to oppose your argument. Please watch your tone.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  08:19, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * And you please watch your attitude. My 'tone'? I spoke politely and rationally. You came to my talk page and impugned all of my contributions just because you didn't like that sentence on the article. It was so unnecessary. Eyesweetsugarcandy (talk) 11:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

citation for cate blanchett as a natural born citizen of the United States
The Early Life section of the wikipedia article states that her father was born in Texas. Either that's true and she, therefore, is a natural born citizen, or the statement about her father is false  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.94.40 (talk) 22:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)


 * You also need to note that she was born outside of the United States, and to only one United States citizen, not two. Therefore, I don't think that it is unreasonable for me to ask that you provide a source which proves that she is both an Australian and United States citizen. You can't just add in information which might be false based on what you know. I know exactly what is stated in the Early Life section.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  23:35, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Immigration and Nationality Act § 301(g); 8 USC § 1401(g) very clearly shows that she's a natural born citizen of the United States whether we like it or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.94.40 (talk) 18:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Rude to both Natalie and me
I'm making the page better. Why stop me from doing this? So very rude to newcomers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.134.174.10 (talk) 11:12, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Clearly (judging even by your section title alone), you might not be as ready to edit Wikipedia as you think you are. In the future, just make sure that you leave a valid reason in your edit summary whenever you remove large amounts of content, as you did in the aforementioned edit.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs)  11:20, 15 December 2016 (UTC)