User talk:4meter4

DYK for Gerlin Bean
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Joanna Simon banner
Hi. Thank you for the edit summary note on Talk:Joanna Simon (mezzo-soprano). As far as I see it, that banner is indeed a WikiProject banner, it's just customised. The default in WP:RATER is for such banners to be included in the banner shell when there are 3 or more present, and hence I just allow it to semi-automatically do that when I use it. I do intend to continue this practice on other pages until there is consensus not to, but don't intend to do it again on this particular article. I've also left a reply at Template talk:WIR. Thanks. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

WP:INTDABLINK
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"Opera eroica" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Opera eroica and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 11 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * 4meter, you seem to have put this on the project rather than talk page.  Aza24  (talk)   20:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops. Editing in mobile is never ideal....4meter4 (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Lost Mysteries
I had just started typing a reply to your comment, when I became aware that the AfD was closed. I wanted to ask you about what you meant by "a source analysis from the nominator". I did state below StarTrekker's comment that I directly visited the websites sourced for the citations, and I gave my observation of what I found. What exactly were you asking of me beyond that? &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 05:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A source analysis actually looks at each source individually and evaluates it in relation to the policy language at WP:SIGCOV. Rather than generalizing, it actually specifically places each source against policy. Your comments were too vague, and I think you mistook some ezines with editorial oversight for self published blogs but it was hard to tell because you never named specific sources in your generalized reaction to the sources. For an example of a source analysis, see the table I created at Articles for deletion/Albanian Helsinki Committee.4meter4 (talk) 05:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you; this is what I was looking for. I will make a note of this as a good tool for future use. &#8212;&#160;CJDOS,&#160;Sheridan,&#160;OR&#160;(talk) 06:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

ANI on Keith Irvine
Looks like you created a section for Keith Irvine but left no info on what the issue was? RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See my comment there. I had typed a note, but it oddly didn’t show up.4meter4 (talk) 19:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw that, no worries! RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

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Nizami Ganjavi
Hello 4meter4. I'm not gonna argue with you but I would like to let you know my thoughts behind this; that comment is nothing but a nationalistic rant, using flawed logic and opposing the long established consensus in scholarship. The user account of this IP has a history of such stuff. Not to mention these type of comments appear occasionally in these type of articles, thanks to stuff like this. Best. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:52, 29 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @ I completely understand your frustration, but at the same time we need to protect our talk pages as spaces where editors can raise issues without fear of having conversations censored. The comment made by the subject was perfectly permissible per our policies at Talk page guidelines. If there was some sort of topic ban (see WP:TBAN) imposed by WP:ANI or WP:ARBCOM, removing the topic thread would have been justifiable, but currently no such topic ban is in place.4meter4 (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays

 * What a lovely message. I hope you are having a restful and enjoyable holiday season. Have a very happy New Year!4meter4 (talk) 19:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Christmas, 4meter4


May you have a very Happy Christmas ...

and a safe New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music.

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * , I hope you had a very Happy Christmas and that this coming year brings many enriching adventures. I have missed seeing you around at WP:WikiProject Opera. I hope you will find more time to collaborate with us this year as your work is always appreciated. With affection.4meter4 (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

December music
We sang Charpentier's delightful Messe de minuit pour Noël today, which was on DYK yesterday, - a first for me, pictured, - thank you for reason in the Debussy discussion, and sorry if I got a bit nervous yesterday. - Enjoy the season! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Today, pictured, the soprano of our choral concert of the year. More in the context: User talk:Gerda Arendt in case of interest. It looks like I can't contribute more opera singers to DYK. Perhaps you could? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the lovely holiday messages. I hope you had a happy Christmas and that the coming year is full of joyful and enriching experiences. It's been a while since I have submitted any work to DYK. Lately I have been dedicating myself to Music encyclopedia topics. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Whoops
Hello!

I just wanted to apologize for a message I mistakenly replied to, as I somehow got a notification for it automatically assumed it was on mine! Anyways, happy holidays, and sorry again :) ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 04:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

No worries. Merry Christmas!4meter4 (talk) 04:38, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, 4meter4!


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Repeating musical wishes! - I'm taking a break from DYK, for more quality articles. Today's featured article is Osbert Parsley, not by me but Amitchell125 where, including the beginning of my songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm on vacation, - click on songs! I tell my own stories now, instead of relying on DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Background: User talk:Storye book, or: why Tchaikovsky's The Enchantress isn't on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

back from vacation - Melitta Muszely died, RIP --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Krakoa for deletion.
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Merry Christmas, 4Meter4


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and a safe New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music.

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Si Jenks
Hi, could you please create an article for American actor Si Jenks who had starring roles in films such as The Rider of the Law, Oregon Trail, The Cowboy Star, Zorro's Black Whip, The Great Train Robbery and has already an article in the French Wikipedia? 190.219.168.53 (talk) 07:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Tom Westman
I see you closed Articles for deletion/Tom Westman (2nd nomination) as "keep". Have you reconsidered yet? I just wondered whether your closure was correct. From reading the discussion, I thought "delete" and "keep" votes were close. I just hope your close wasn't a supervote, was it? George Ho (talk) 20:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Almost forgot: why do you think the discussion was relisted twice? --George Ho (talk) 20:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I think there was a clear shift in consensus supporting keeping the article after the sources provided by Sportsfan. There’s a stronger policy based argument on the keep side that is supported with evidence. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * How were Sportsfan's arguments convincing? I mean, what about my replies to Sportsfan? George Ho (talk) 03:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The evidence presented by sportsman demonstrated that the subject was covered for more than one event and across a WP:SUSTAINED period of time which essentially discredited the WP:BLP1E argument and provided evidence the subject passes WP:BASIC. Other commenters also stated similar opinions in the AFD; enough that it appears to be the consensus view. This is what I said in my close and you aren’t going to get a different opinion here. See WP:STICK.4meter4 (talk) 15:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey User:4meter4, I also wanted to comment of your close on Articles for deletion/Tom Westman (2nd nomination). In my opinion, this is a WP:BADNAC, because the discussion was controversial (many participants, multiple relists). Let admins take the heat for closing these type of discussions! Thanks, Suriname0 (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. Although I doubt an admin would come to a different conclusion in their close. The only other viable close option would be no consensus which would end in the same result (ie no deletion or redirect). There clearly was not enough support for a delete or a redirect close by both a vote count and the strength of the arguments. The arguments for deletion/redirect was greatly weakened by the sourcing evidence demonstrating WP:SUSTAINED coverage across more than one event that would pass WP:GNG/WP:BASIC. Feel free to take it to deletion review. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The first relisting occurred due to !keep votes earlier then not being convincing enough. One of later !keep votes after second relisting I sometimes have issues with only because I've not seen them prove significance of Westman's HvV gameplay. How about "no consensus" then? That way, I don't have to take this to DRV. George Ho (talk) 07:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Nearly forgot: If you change to "no consensus", can you alter your rationale as well? George Ho (talk) 11:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not altering the close as I believe I accurately summarized community consensus as keep based on both majority input and the strength of the arguments. You may take this to WP:DRV to seek a different outcome.4meter4 (talk) 14:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Took the AFD discussion to Deletion review/Log/2023 March 28. George Ho (talk) 17:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

March thanks
thank you for what you did for La fanciulla! - sharing impressions from vacation on Madeira 20-30 March, pics now at 25 March with ups and downs and two cats --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

The Smerus I met is too intelligent to leave Wikipedia over one opera infobox. I imagine that Chopin hurt him more, and the obvious tendency. What makes me so sad is that there was a time when he accepted the compromise that Brian Boulton added to Chopin, as consensus. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

happy to see that Smerus has edited --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Portland Chamber Music Festival


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 * Thanks for bringing this to my attention . I added sources for verification purposes; although I did not write any of the text currently in the article. The festival is regularly covered in New England based media. There are lots of reviews in Portland and Boston based media, so I don't think meeting WP:GNG is an issue. I suspect a coi editor may have written the overly promotional text currently in the article. You might check for copyright infringement on the text...4meter4 (talk) 22:06, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * (talk page stalker) I'm afraid the last two paragraphs were copied verbatim from the organization's history page, according to Earwig. I've therefore removed them.  Thanks for adding sources 4meter4.  Clearly notable topic.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 01:02, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Maria Giustina Turcotti
Is any use to you? Could also get a higher-resolution fat version, but it seems... A little like encouraging her critics. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.3% of all FPs. Currently celebrating his 600th FP! 13:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @ Thank you for another positive image. Sadly, most of the published scholarship on Turcotti is about her weight. Over half of her biographical entry in The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians is focused on her size and the negative comments about her weight. That entry also failed to name a single opera she she performed in. There are also a good number of opera history texts with the Zanetti image which widely focus on Turcotti and her weight. In short, it’s the thing every academic publication on the singer has focused on. There’s also quite a lot of scholarship dedicated to even more nasty quotes that are weight related in critical reviews, as well as a number of devastatingly mean comments about her weight in private letters written by her colleagues and employers. A lot more has been written on this topic in academic books used in the article, and I really only provided the brief highlights. There are whole letters for example by Mingotti and Pirker which have been analyzed in scholarship to write about Turcotti and her career. I had to really dig to find other kinds of information on this person, and had to look to sources with basically cast listings of operas to find other materials because all of the biographical RS in academic publications were largely focused on her weight, and sadly not so much on her substantial contributions to 18th century opera in Italy. I am confident that no source but Wikipedia has such a flattering and positive portrait of the singer, as this at least had pulled together sources to mention her appearances in original opera productions by important composers; something academic biographical entries on the singer have largely overlooked.4meter4 (talk) 17:20, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

In fact, I often found her name associated with Vittoria Tesi, another great singer-actress of the first part of the century, also coming from Florence and not primarily excelling in coloratura as well. The first time I heard her name was at a 1985 wonderful revival of Pergolesi’s Adriano in Siria, where she had created the prima donna role of Emirena. This role is certainly not an acrobatic and flamboyant one and the two most skilled coloratura singers in the cast, Mariella Devia and Daniela Dessì, took on two other roles that are much more demanding in terms of coloratura, Farnaspe and Sabina. I leave it to your appreciation whether or not to edit the article.--Jeanambr (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC) PS: I can't help but get the unsourced impression that the singer depicted in the first drawing might not be Maria Giustina Turcotti.
 * Hi 4meter4, in your good and welcome article on Turcotti you write she was a “gifted singer of coloratura”, but this styling doesn't seem very pertinent to me. In their article on Turcotti in The New Grove Dictionary of Opera, Dennis Libby and Carlo Vitali state that “she seems to have been primarily a dramatic singer in a mostly syllabic style (range approximately b♭ to g’’), without much brilliance or bravura”, although she was also able to master elaborate coloratura (as well as all major singers in the Eighteenth Century).
 * @ Yes I am familiar with the Libby quote which I think was a potentially ill conceived assessment because it was based on an incomplete picture of Turcotti's career. At the time Libby wrote that article only a small amount of her repertoire was is evidence. The trouble with the scholarship as written at present on Turcotti is nobody has really looked at all her repertoire in its entirety, and honestly only recently have scholars writing on Venetian opera actually located and catalogued a significant number of operas that she performed in (as in the last two to fifteen years); hence why my article was able to include many more opera roles than in the Grove publications (Libby's article is 31 years old now and is significantly outdated in relation to the recent published scholarship). Selfridge-Field (2007) and Over and Nieden (2021) have provided a much larger picture of her repertoire in Italy than was previously known (but without any analysis in terms of Turcotti's vocal range/abilities), and for this reason, I am hesitant to trust any scholarly assessment that hasn't taken a look at the many previously unknown opera roles in Turcotti's performance repertoire which are now in evidence. This would require looking at recently found opera scores that have been largely neglected in academic writing as well as performance. I also note, that based on reviews and letters in Over and Nieden, I question the previously held argument that Turcotti was having a vocal decline which ended her career in Italy (which Libby argues based on what evidence?). Reviews of her later years in Italy seemed to remain positive of her singing, and largely were negative about her appearance and stage deportment due to her weight gain. I sincerely doubt that Mingotti and the wealthy Bayreuth Court, who could have their pick of top notch talent, would have kept her on if she wasn't in fine vocal form; particularly as her voice seems to have been her only major asset as an entertainer. Additionally, no researcher has looked at her rep in Germany, and a researcher could probably dig up her opera roles in her late career. In short, this is an area where a music historian/musicologist could do some new valuable work, and potentially have something new to say on Turcotti's singing and her unusually long career. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Chiming in: I admire what you did to get her recognized as a performer! - Born OTD: another stage artist, Cathinka Buchwieser, at a time when actress and opera performer wasn't distinguished, and both dubious in society. If I was a researcher I'd look into Turcotti's German repertoire. If you find something and just want help with translation or language clarification, call me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * New topic: sadly Javier Álvarez (composer) died, whose article you began. Can you help with referencing? I'll do some, but Spanish isn't a language I speak (besides menu reading in restaurants). Perhaps SusunW can help (again), even if this is a man. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Hip deep with real life right now, but still trying to get in a bit of editing. If you can't find another Spanish speaker, I'm glad to help, but won't guarantee that I can respond immediately, or quickly. SusunW (talk) 15:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @ I completely agree with you about the shortcomings and gaps in the historical research on the figure of Turcotti, and I fully share Gerda's appreciation of your article, which I have even half a mind to translate, sooner or later, into Italian. However, I cannot identify which historiographical acquisitions after Croll and Vitali allow Turcotti to be styled a “singer of coloratura” (instead of a dramatic one), considering that their Grove article already stated: “evidence from arias written by G.B. Pescetti and Francesco Corselli, however, shows that she could master elaborate coloratura, rhythmically complex divisions and wide pitch leaps”. Cheers. Jeanambr (talk) 08:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Carolina White
Aoidh (talk) 12:03, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

J. Leubrie Hill
I wasn't sure if this subject or the shows they were involved in would interest you, but I thiught I'd run it by you in any case. Thanks for all your great work. Take care. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:59, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Deal, New Jersey in fiction?
Does Category:Deal, New Jersey in fiction show enough potential for growth to merit a category of its own? Alansohn (talk) 02:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It has some potential for growth. The Sopranos had some episodes set partly in Deal, New Jersey for example. There may be other content in film and literature. Ultimately cats fitting into larger category trees are useful in my opinion. Not every category needs to be large.4meter4 (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Maria Giustina Turcotti
—Kusma (talk) 00:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thomas Blades de Walden
See this. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:12, 23 May 2023 (UTC)


 * what am I looking for?4meter4 (talk) 03:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "de Walden" rather than DeWalden or De Walden". -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Caroline and Bain
Hi 4meter4, a bit more info on my talk page added by another WP editor. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Category:Novels set in deserts has been nominated for deletion
Category:Novels set in deserts has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you.  Sandstein  05:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Similar deletion discussion to Category:Novels set in deserts
You may be interested in a similar (though admittedly not identical) category deletion discussion to the Cat:Novels_set_in_deserts one going on about Category:Novels set in fictional villages. I realize you may not share my opinion, but I thought I'd loop you in just the same. — the Man in Question (in question)  21:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Template for CFD Notices
Hi 4meter4, When notify a WikiProject about a category for discussion, you may want to use the neutral template located right here. That can help avoid even the appearance of Canvassing. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:57, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for making me aware of the template. That said, the notices I placed were neutrally worded with a clear indication that all opinions were welcome, and without advocating for one side or the other in the notice. They were fine per WP:APPNOTE. Best.4meter4 (talk) 05:47, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I honestly initially read the part about this setting a precedent as a call to arms but I've reread after looking at the conversations at User talk:Qwerfjkl. As a practical matter, your iVote likely moves it to "no consensus" by itself becaue participation at CFD is so low. (I think that's caused by the categories not showing in the mobile view, which is what most readers use now.) I'll remove the Template:Notavote that I added.
 * Also, thrilled to see you and another editor participated on some of the other nominations. Maybe CFD needs a call to arms! - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:50, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @ Yes I think category deletion participation is so low because most editors do not have categories on their watch list. I'm almost always made aware of pertinent category deletion discussions when I see the bot removing a recently deleted category; at which point it's too late to participate and I am often genuinely perturbed but feel powerless to do anything about it. Case in point would be the Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 28; which I would also like re-opened. This is a common experience on wikipedia. I think the notification process needs a complete overhaul. Namely, if a cat is up for a move or deletion; notices should be placed not only on the category page but every single article contained in that category. Bots delete and remove categories for us; so they could also be designed to place notices when a cat is up for deletion. That would get the attention of editors writing in the content area and would inevitably create a better pool of commenting editors with experience in a relevant content area. In general, I find category deletion discussions often have bad outcomes because the editors involved don't know the subject matter well enough to make the right choice.4meter4 (talk) 14:08, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I really like that idea about the notices, at least as an option you could to turn on! - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jochen Breiholz


The article Jochen Breiholz has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

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Hello!
Hi, 4meter4,

I was looking at one AFD to close and looked at a previous AFD that was on the same article that you had proposed two years ago. And I realized that I use to see you participate in AFDs much more than I do now. Did you get burned out? Or did your editing interests just take you elsewhere on the project? I valued your contributions and we have a shortage of regular thoughtful participants in deletion discussions (I mean, we have some but we could use many, many more) and just thought I'd check in with you.

Hope all is well with you and you had a good summer. Liz Read! Talk! 00:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC) @


 * Thank you for the kind message . I had a wonderful summer, and I hope you had a great one as well. I've always appreciated how hard you work at AFD. Thank you for your service to the encyclopedia. As for me, AFD, and my time of wikipedia...
 * Of late I have been happily creating new content. AFD can be a stressful place to contribute, and I decided to work elsewhere after several contentious AFDs were closed with a consensus that was not policy based. In general, policies at AFD are inconsistently implemented by closing admins; in particular the need to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV. Far too often AFDs are closed by majority vote rather than by notability policy; and in general "no consensus" is too liberally applied by admins who don't want to to have to deal with blowback from implementing notability policy as written. It doesn't help that DRV decisions are often derived by vote count as opposed to the strength of policy arguments, so in general admins aren't willing to implement community policies if the majority vote in a given AFD isn't there to support it. As a result, WP:MUSTBESOURCES arguments more often than not win; even though we know this isn't a valid or winning argument. I am not ok with that, and find it aggravating when GNG is ignored. I've also seen several AFDs close where the subject was not addressed directly and in detail in any one source, and the article was essentially built through an original synthesis of materials that were tangential to the subject. While overall I think AFD gets its right more often than wrong, I stepped away from AFD for my own inner peace. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 03:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Vera Curtis
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Category:New-York Tribune personnel has been nominated for merging
Category:New-York Tribune personnel has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 22:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate
I would appreciate it if you stop hurling your insults. I have no intention of going to ANI over your refusal to retract your PAs - I remembered you from seeing you around the project and thought of you as a level headed editor. I see I was wrong and I will avoid you on the project. Please stop shitting on the nomination template with your wrong-headed attacks. Lightburst (talk) 04:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that you feel that you are being personally attacked, that is not my intention. I am unable to strike my comments because they are pertinent to the DYK review process in reviewing your request for censorship. I hope that we can work together congenially in the future even though we may have a difference of opinion in this particular matter. In general, I appreciate the contributions you have made to the encyclopedia and at DYK outside of this incident. Have a great day.4meter4 (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

October thanks
Thank you for your voice of reason in the deletion discussion for the Israeli peace song. - Today, my (daily) story is a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * @ Happy to be of assistance. Thank you for creating an interesting article on a song I was not familiar with. I enjoyed listening to recordings and researching the song while commenting at the AFD.4meter4 (talk) 12:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I met it at a wedding in Germany, with the father of the bride and some guests from Israel. Peace! It's in prep for a DYK on 2 Nov. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Towards the end of the month, I thought of Brian Bouldton, and his ways to compromise, - with musings about peace there, - feel free to join. Hevenu shalom aleichem. Today is Reformation Day, and I believe that reformation is a work in progress. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Hevenu shalom aleichem
theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for what you put into the peace song, making it survive, - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I added some images from Aachen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for another theatre! - I proudly remember having sung in an oratorio premiere seven years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Today I have three items on the Main page today, almost too much of a good thing! Bach's amazing cantata with the unusual scale, first performed 300 years ago OTD, the nun for the prostitutes, and Schumann's wedding gift for Clara. Working on Ryland Davies, - perhaps you can add? I'll get over more detail from the GLS tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Davies looks much better. Today is St. Martin's Day, which stands for sharing. Thank you for sharing music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Guglielmo Zuelli
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DYK for Palermo Conservatory
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 * Just wanted to echo what others are saying about how great your hook is, and how it instantly drew me to the article. Fantastic work. Viriditas (talk) 18:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words.4meter4 (talk) 13:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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Summary
Do you still want to try to workshop a summary? Earlier I was thinking we'd messed up the procedure which might just result in receiving only gripes for the mess up or even a premature closure as malformed/misplaced, but it looks like that is not the case. If you are still interested I should have some uninterrupted time in 6 hours or so, actually I can pop in and out now, I would just prefer to work with less interruptions. If not that is ok too, since it does look like the perfect adherence to protocol was less important here then I had anticipated. TBH, I have never fully understood the interplay between procedural policies/practices and the not bureaucracy conceptual ideation. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1898:F371:A61F:7119 (talk) 17:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think that a summary is really worth it as there has really only been a conversation between you, I, and one admin. If we had more participants, it might be worth documenting some sort of consensus but with so few people involved it really doesn't seem like a useful exercise. I think its pretty clear from the response at ANI that you are following what is considered normal process, but I also think that process is counter-intuitive when reading the policy page at WP:Edit Wars. I do think this thing highlights a need to re-examine the language at WP:Edit Wars and add some clarifying statements on proper process one way or the other (depending on what the community decides). I personally would like to see a more tightened policy which requires an attempt at dialogue on the talk page of the disputed arcticle prior to the issue of a warning. We should at least make an attempt at engaging in a cordial way through the WP:TALKDONTREVERT and WP:DISCUSSCONSENSUS process prior to moving to a warning banner as a means of WP:AGF and giving someone a chance to do the right thing in community space. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:44, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is that you workshop an amendment to policy at WP:VPI, and then start an RFC at WP:VPP. At least if you want to follow procedure to the t. But as recent experience shows sometimes close adherence to procedure turns out to be unnecessary, so I guess you could always just try to launch on RFC on the policy talk page, and see what happens. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1898:F371:A61F:7119 (talk) 18:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly I am not sure I want to take on a policy discussion of that magnitude. That takes a certain amount of time and engagement in non-article space which is not really how I want to spend my time. I much prefer to be working on content creation and/or article improvement.4meter4 (talk) 18:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for the article! - Today, I managed to updated my images to Paris (trip begun on 29 Nov) with a visit to the Palais Garnier, - to match the story of Medea Amiranashvili, - don't miss listening to her expressive voice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

My story today is about Michael Robinson, - it's an honour to have known him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Lee Orean Smith
Lee Orean Smith's father was the musical director of a theatre orchestra.

You wrote this in Lee Orean Smith. Just curious on where the source about this is. I'm sort of researching about composers like him. Komitsuki (talk) 04:35, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * See the cited source. The entire paragraph is cited to Rehrig, William H.; Bierley, Paul E. (1991). "Lee Orean Smith". The Heritage Encyclopedia of Band Music: Composers and Their Music, Volume II. Integrity Press. ISBN 9780918048080. I had a physical copy of the book but you can access the book online in its updated version (other authors have since expanded the encyclopedia in its online form) through subscription at https://www.acbands.org/hebm There is also a blog which talks about his father making a living as a pharmacist while leading a local orchestra https://blog.wabash.edu/dearoldwabash/2019/09/30/tin-pan-alley-alum/ (I left this out as it is a blog) Rehrig and Bierley describe the orchestra as a theatre orchestra. If I remember rightly there is also an interview in Metronome magazine from September 1922 in which Smith relates details about training as a musician under his father and playing in theatre orchestras. I also left this out because it was not an independent source. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Komitsuki (talk) 04:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination of William Carter (composer)
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Same location pictured as 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

I have a DYK on the Main page, but my story would be different, about Figaro, - this Figaro. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

On the Main page: the person who made the pictured festival possible --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Novellas by setting


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DYK for William Carter (composer)
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DYK for Genoa Conservatory
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DYK for Black Souls (play)
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Draft:The Red Moon
I would be happy to have help with this draft if you're interested. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @ I have some ongoing projects at the moment, but I'll take a look when I can.4meter4 (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Draft:The Ham Tree
This is another draft on an interesting show that needs work. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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DYK for James Light (director)
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March thanks
Thank you for expanding Cecelia Hall! I think you could try GA even. On Smetana's 200th birthday -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Rossini's Petite messe solennelle was premiered on 14 March 1864, - when I listen to the desolate Agnus Dei I think of Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Vacation pics uploaded, at least the first day, - and Aribert Reimann remembered. I think of the theatre, but more people died, one mentioned on project opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Next day, around Porto da Cruz, on Bach's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I enjoy seeing Jean Schwartz pictured on the Main page today! - Johann Strauss Theater begun, - I trust that you can add some of the English sources you mentioned, because it's scarcely referenced in German. I wonder why Lord Piccolo isn't among the premieres. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your professional help for the conductor who is now on the Main page. I listen to Bach's St John Passion today, - 300 years after it was first performed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Jack Mills (music publisher)
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DYK for Lottie Williams (actress, born 1866)
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DYK for The Red Moon (Johnson and Cole)
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DYK for Cecelia Hall (mezzo-soprano)
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DYK for Kenneth Raisbeck
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DYK for Jean Schwartz
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DYK for Frederick Solomon
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DYK for Henri Berény
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DYK for Marcelle (musical)
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DYK nomination of Joseph Redding
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April music
Sorry, I'm a bit overwhelmed by deaths, articles here and also in real life. Please excuse my limited interest in discussing things that will result in a few 100 views more or less, if at all, in that perspective. Notker Wolf, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm a bit overwhelmed by deaths, and am slowly working on the articles for two of those for which new sources need to be incorporated before they can be nominated (two others are on the Main page right now), and the funeral in real life is on 12 April. I read your review with interest and thought I'd work on that article afterwards. But the load of tags in the article puts me under pressure. Do you understand? I suggest I ask questions here, and then remove the tags one by one when you agree.
 * 1) Summary of the conductor's position. She has an article - I thought. It's not "opinion" but as quick a summary as I could think. She had a different position when she founded the orchestra than she has now, which is the first woman as music director of an Italian opera house, in Bologna. How detailed would you want it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I tried to split two run-ons, insert three positions for the conductor (with two references from her bio), tried "this orchester" once (didn't want to say Bundesjugendorchester twice in a row), and made the connection between Lviv and the conductor. Too tired for more. To be continued but only after the first of the two RD is nominated. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Take your time. Don't feel pressured to get this done today or even this week. Take as much time as you need.4meter4 (talk) 22:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I woke up to this invitation, thank you. To take my time was my intention, but seeing the article tags made me feel under pressure, and I can't help that feeling. My brain tells me that they were written in order to help and that it shouldn't matter to have my incompetence publicly displayed, but my stomach doesn't listen. - I feel better now, having succeeded to integrate more obituaries for Michael Boder, even one in English, and thrown out two company refs as less reliable, according to your words. - I worked on the first paragraph for the orchestra around midnight, please check. The time to continue will be after some hours of real life. Tomorrow's funeral with travel will keep me away most of that day, choir rehearsal same on Saturday, and I try not to work on Sundays. Therefore I'd like to get the article somewhat improved later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The day went not as planned, but in the end I got to some copy-editing: shorter sentences, more links and explanations. Please check. I asked a few users to help copy-editing and finding sources, perhaps in Ukrainian. Bedtime. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * My story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, and I just returned from a (long) Handel opera about the same age. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The last of 6 RD articles is on the Main page now - relief. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * (followed by two birthdays) - I added a new hook to the Holender nom, in case of interest. Nice to see another opera singer on the Main page, even pictured, - funny that his name is Holland ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * today a sad task - memory of Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the singer DYK today! The Ukrainian youth orchestra is in the same set, - thank you again for your sourcing contributions, as a constructive reviewer! - My brother is pictured with the Marta concert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for George W. Munroe
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George W. Munroe
Fascinating article; great job! Josh Milburn (talk) 13:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @ Thank you for the kind words. I enjoyed writing it.4meter4 (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Silvio Hein
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Tagging pages for deletion
Hello, 4meter4,

I was closing Articles for deletion/Joanna Sawyer and noticed that you never notified the article creator of this AFD discussion. You also didn't inform this editor when you started an AFD about Anna Stolli. Luckily, a bot took care of the steps you didn't properly take but bots aren't 100% reliable and its your responsibility as the AFD nominator to inform the page creator and other interested parties.

I recommend you start using Twinkle to tag articles for all types of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/CFD/etc.) and set your Twinkle Preferences so the box for "Notify page creator" is checked off. Then when you use Twinkle to tag an article for deletion and it sets up the AFD discussion page, Twinkle will post these notices on your behalf. Twinkle is an editing tool used by most page patrollers and many administrators because it saves an editor from having to search for the proper templates. It's a real time saver and I encourage you to try it out. If you don't want to use Twinkle though, please post these notifications yourself as, like I said, the bots are not completely reliable and it's a step that should be done by a human editor, not a bot. Thank you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok. Will do.4meter4 (talk) 02:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Josef Weiss
&spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 12:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Winterberg
—Ganesha811 (talk) 00:02, 16 April 2024 (UTC) Thank you for a much needed article, and not even in German yet. It's featured on Portal:Germany, pictured and with music. What landed on the Main page would not have attracted me, - I only looked because of the German name as possibly interesting for the Portal (and yes, he was!). I am not liked on WP:ERRORS, but think the change should be discussed on WT:DYK, and also better not by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words. The original hook was brought up at Wikipedia talk:Did you know where there were many editors complaining the hook was boring. I went with the Queen of Romania thing because they were threatening to not feature the article at all. I too found the other hook more interesting, but then, like you, I am somewhat knowledgable about German operetta in comparison to the average person. The original hook would have been more interesting to someone who likes opera and musical theatre history. The queen of Romania hook was probably more interesting to a general audience. Thanks for taking the time to feature the original hook in the portal.4meter4 (talk) 16:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. As you may have seen, I didn't know anything about the history when I saw the two hooks, and had no time to find out, and made my choice for Portal:Germany, where the other hook would have not supplied any connection, while a piece in German and successful in German was a simple connection. I found out about the discussion only later, and commented there. I think this "interesting to a broad readership" is trying to achieve something impossible, and believe it would be better if it was "interesting to those who find the topic interesting". Liviu Holender, btw, will give a recital tomorrow singing Mahler, Schönberg, Zemlinsky, and others from the period. That's what he is good at. I don't know if I can make it, but am very happy that I won't have to be guilty to report on Wikipedia's Main page trivia such as that he held hands with his wife ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I have a ticket for the recital. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Wunderbar.4meter4 (talk) 22:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and yes, it was. Very intense, anti-war songs, songs of departure ... - free choice of seats, so I sat quite close to the piano. The baritone sang everything from memory, and introduced the music speaking. Schönberg Op. 1 deserves an article. Korngold and Schreker were the other two composers whose music was banned by the Nazis. - Congrats to the baritone below. On the opera talk and for Portal:Germany, he is pictured. I have no idea why the DYK would miss such a chance to show not only how he looks, but how he acts, and the period (which in the hook could be anywhere anytime). I added "baritone" and the "Berlin State Opera" in both cases, - "an opera star" is as vague as can be. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:09, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Schwarz (baritone)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Owen Murphy (songwriter)
RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Albert Gumble
RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Red Pepper (musical)
RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Olga von Türk-Rohn
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Theatres completed in 1811


A tag has been placed on Category:Theatres completed in 1811 indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 16:39, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:William Stuckenholz
Would you be able to help with this subject? FloridaArmy (talk) 13:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Redding
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this article! Unique SCOTUS cases are always fascinating to me, and to find someone involved in both music and SCOTUS cases? How very specific but very impressive! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) <small style="font-size:66%;">(also not me) <small style="font-size:45%;">(still no) 00:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the article about a man with many talents! - On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with the opera that you thought was not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. The conductor said that in that interview that it was the first unabridged version ever. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:03, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Doom (2016 video game) - today's TFA is again by Vami --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. Both - DYK and OTD - were hard work, I confess. In the end I like the hook with five composers the Nazis banned even better than the one you found boring. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Lester Allen
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Frank Croxton
theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Agnes Kimball
RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

ANI notification
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New message from Narutolovehinata5
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Category:Works set in abandoned buildings and structures has been nominated for renaming
Category:Works set in abandoned buildings and structures has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Alto Oates
Greetings! Is this subject notable? FloridaArmy (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * She probably is. There's quite a lot of newspaper coverage in newspapers.com; mainly from 1920-1940 but with some coverage in the late 1910s and into the 1950s. Not much appears to have been written about her in books though. She does get a brief and not that positive mention in Blacks in Blackface She does get more positive coverage in this journal article: Black Delilahs: Black Female Sexuality and Resistance in Progressive Era New York City Ultimnately building an article will require going through newspaper archives with this particular person.4meter4 (talk) 20:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It is okay if I repost your findings to the entry's talkpage? 20:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I did it for you. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Lyceum Theatre (Boston)
Z1720 (talk) 00:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you SO much!
Thank you so much for your work on Masi Asare. I so appreciate you getting her into the mainspace and helping make her article better! Wikipedian339 (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @ Happy to help. Thank you for working on this article.4meter4 (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, I'm not sure if this interests you at all, but there is one more BMI alum I made a draft for who's not on wikipedia yet, but I do think seems pretty notable to me. Draft:Dan Mertzlufft
 * If you're interested, you can take a look, but if not, no worries, I'm sure someone eventually will. Wikipedian339 (talk) 18:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Richmond Theatre (Richmond, Virginia)
RoySmith (talk) 00:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the article, and I'm sorry we didn't get it pictured (in a different set, - today's image is strong and I would not have wanted to miss that either). - Please return to the Kerck nom, about primary source vs. promotional source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The article Cecelia Hall (mezzo-soprano) that you expanded and referenced is now a good article; see Talk:Cecelia Hall (mezzo-soprano) for comments about the article, and Talk:Cecelia Hall (mezzo-soprano)/GA1 for the nomination. Thank you for your share, you deserve credit more than I do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your share in Daniela Kerck! The image in my story is what I happened to see from my seat (in a performance before the festival - with Anna Netrebko in the title role but sold out of course - and the other was possibly the icier Principessa anyway). I recommend the trailer video. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Richmond Theatre (Richmond, Virginia) and Richmond Theatre fire
Yesterday I was trying to tease out some dates & referencing in these 2 articles and see that you extensively edited them both, like this edit from May 1, 2024. I am puzzled as to the sources you cited when I cannot find them listed in the references section, for instance, your edit added the following but:
 * Quesnay's Academy opened on October 10, 1876 in a performance given by the Old American Company of Comedians under the management of Hallam and Henry. Sources vary as to which work was performed on this date, with some sources claiming it was the opera  Poor Soldier and one source the play School for Scandal.

Keller does not state the info about Hallam and Henry ("under the management...") or give the October date on page 229, both the authors Sonneck and Hornblow are not listed in the References, Stoutamire is the one who gives the date on page 70 (as seen at the main Richmond Theatre article. There were some oddities in the dates in the Theatre fire article, looks like a year was transposed from October 10, 1786 to October 10 1886 and in the interim Bosco9691 has fixed those typos. However, as I said above, Keller does not give the date, Sonneck & Hornblow are not listed out as citations in the Fire article's references section & Stoutamire is the source with the October date. In the fire article, regarding the October 10th date, I am going to substitute the complete Stoutamire cite for the Keller cite since Keller does not have the date and Stoutamire does. I've adjusted a few other things in the Fire article. I am having trouble finding online access to your Poet ref: so I can verify its information. The "Arts in Virginia" journal has completely eluded me, I have been unable to find that named journal or magazine anywhere online, so I was wondering if it by any chance it could go by other name/s? I've hidden that ref for the time being within the Fire article, so if you do have more information you can add it and then get the ref "out of hiding". Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @ Thank you for looking over my contributions. Honestly I read so many sources it is difficult for me to recall which sources contained what information from memory at this point. I've read much else since. I'd have to go back and relook at the sources if you have specific questions. I will go back and find the Sonneck and Hornblow source information and add the refs. I'll double check for accuracy on that section. Arts in Virginia is the journal of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts published from 1960-1993. You can access The Poet, Patriot, and Pedagogue journal article in the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts archives (not sure if its available on their website or just at their on-site library. They have five physical copies, but I don't believe it has been digitized). The journal is also physically available in some university and public libraries in the state of Virginia. I looked at the journal offline. 4meter4 (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Here is Sonneck


 * [https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_American_Theatre_During_t/plZAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Henry+and+Hallam+Poor+Soldier+Alexander+Richmond+Theatre&pg=PA205&printsec=frontcover
 * I went into the Theatre article & fixed/adjusted some of the referencing. Thanks for your help. The Poet ref/refs could maybe have the publisher (VA Museum) and a Note on where copies can possibly be found, to save anyone trying to find online/archival versions. I was unable to find even library listings of where the journal is held... Shearonink (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Carrie Swain
RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Essence of Old Virginia
I stumbled on this subject and it seems pretty interesting. It is described as a minstrel dance and also noted as a song? It looks like some videos on YouTube capture it being performed as a song. FloridaArmy (talk) 14:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for George Kunkel (actor)
RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for The Chalice of Courage
RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Max Weil
RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Edward M. Zimmerman
RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Marie Kunkel Zimmerman
RoySmith (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

DYK for George Kunkel (theatre manager)
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Jack Mills (music publisher)
How's everything going? Could you please take a look at this draft? FloridaArmy (talk) 02:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Somebody's Knocking at Your Door
I started a draft on this traditional spiritual. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:T. Mayo Geary
This is another draft that needs help. FloridaArmy (talk) 10:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)