User talk:4theChildren

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Counties
I noticed you removed reference to several counties from the article Seán Brady and replaced them with the term "contiguous counties." This type of removal isn't in the best interests of Wikipedia as you are removing information. Not everyone would know what the contiguous counties are and it is most informative to say what the counties are. Ben W Bell talk  17:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Ben - the reason I did that is because people like you insist on trying to have your own opinion imposed on the rest of us. You want Catholics called Roman Catholics. You can't cope with City of Belfast Airport being translated into Irish. You think everyone born in Northern Ireland is British when under the Good Friday Agreement they can be Irish. So I refuse to have Co Londerderry in a description of the Archdiocese of Armagh. If you want to be anal - there is no such thing as a county in northern Ireland anymore - they don't exist accept in GAA. Magherafelt and Drogheda do exist.


 * I don't believe I have ever insisted on Catholics being called Roman Catholics, I've never insisted upon others calling Catholics Roman Catholics. I don't know where you have got that from. With the City of Belfast the Irish is in the articles for when there is another name that the place is known as in Irish, and for Belfast City Airport, Belfast International Airport and others there isn't, the Irish name just isn't verifiable as anything other than a back translation that isn't actually used. That isn't the point of the Irish naming in NI related articles. Everyone born in NI who is eligible is British under nationality laws, but can also choose to be Irish (they can of course choose to renounce their British Citizenship like any other British citizen by contacting the Secretary of State). And County Londonderry is the only name for the county, as previously it was mainly known as County Coleraine but never has there been a County Derry. Some may call it County Derry, the GAA may have a County Derry league and others, but the geographical county is still County Londonderry and on Wikipedia that is what we must use as this is a factual encyclopaedia not something built on the political opinions of people. Counties are still used in Northern Ireland, they just aren't official administrative regions anymore. Ben W Bell talk  11:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I said "people like you" and then lumped you in with people who call Catholics "Roman" Catholics. This was probably unfair.

As regards citizenship you are mistaken - people born in Northern Ireland can choose one or the other or both - it's in black and white in the Good Friday Agreement.

If as you say counties no longer exist as official administrative identifiers then its a matter of usage as to what to what to call them. There is no longer a "County Londonderry" - it was established by British legislation and removed by British legislation. It doesn't exist. So why continue to use it. You might as well talk about County Coleraine. Magheralfelt and Drogheda do continue to exist.

As regards Irish translations of things - why the hang up - what is gained by removing a piece of information that something is called X in Irish. It makes you sound like a bigot and I don't think you are, just a little anal.


 * A person can't choose their nationality at birth, it's not possible for a newborn to choose their nationality. However if it does state it in the GFA (and I admit I haven't read it in any detail since 1998) then fair enough. But the county does still exist as a geographic entity, it is used for postal division and for political electoral and ministerial uses. The only non-existance of the county is at the level of county administrative divisions for local government. As for the Irish translations, I'm a person who likes facts, not made up things. The Irish translations are in many cases just that, back translations, and aren't being used for their intended purpose under the WP:IMOS. The names need to be used and, most importantly on Wikipedia, be verifiable. Oh and don't call me a bigot (and I know you didn't), but anal may be right (I'm one of these people that straightens paintings when they're crooked). Petty bigotry is the reason I left Northern Ireland, Ireland, the United Kingdom and all behind, I couldn't stand the amounts of it in large swathes of the populace any more and don't want to be part of that. Ben W Bell talk  13:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see you're back again - Alis o n  ❤ 21:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Dermot Farrell & WP:BLP
Please do not restore material again without using reliable sources. It is unacceptable to use blogs as references in articles about a living person. Also, please be aware of this policy. Your section on attendance dropping appeared to place blame on Mr. Farrell when his name wasn't mentioned in the reference once. --Onorem♠Dil 11:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Donal McKeown and WP:BLP
Hi again. Re. the above article, please stop repeatedly adding controversial, unsourced text to a living subject. See WP:BLP to understand what's wrong with this. Please also read WP:NOT and WP:SOAP - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it is patently obvious that you are using WP to promote some bizarre smear campaign against the article subject. Please don't do this. The Stop Donal Campaign article has already been speedy-deleted for exactly this reason - Alis o n  ❤ 14:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Please do not add unreferenced or controversial information about living persons to Wikipedia articles. - Alis o n  ❤ 14:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Please stop adding unreferenced controversial biographical content to articles. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. - Alis o n  ❤ 14:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Unequivocal
"unequivocal: leaving no doubt: clear, unambiguous." None of these meanings are contradicted by the existence of a small fringe of scientists, most of which have no expertise in evolutionary biology, and most of which disagree on religious rather than evidential reasons, who disagree. HrafnTalkStalk 15:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You cannot use the term in conjunction with "consensus" unless everyone agrees - you can say almost complete consensus, or general consensus or majority consensus but not unequivocal consensus. It's poor English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4theChildren (talk • contribs) 15:09, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "unequivocal" is not a synonym for "unanimous" -- kindly don't correct others' English until you learn the correct usage yourself. HrafnTalkStalk 15:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Unequivocal means clearly defined, unmistakable, unambiguous, not universal. <font face="arial black" color="#737CA1"> – ornis <font color="#C11B17" size="2pt">⚙ 15:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

unanimous means with one mind, unequivocal means with one voice. The article is attempting to say that there are no scientists who support intelligent design when clearly there are. Why not say the vast majority? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4theChildren (talk • contribs) 15:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "unanimous means with one mind" - wrong. "unequivocal means with one voice" -- wrong. Read a dictionary and stop bothering us with your made-up definitions! <font face="Antiqua, serif">HrafnTalkStalk 15:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

"Unequivocal" is the opposite of "equivocal". From www.dictionary.com, "equivocal":

1. allowing the possibility of several different meanings, as a word or phrase, esp. with intent to deceive or misguide; susceptible of double interpretation; deliberately ambiguous: an equivocal answer. 2. of doubtful nature or character; questionable; dubious; suspicious: aliens of equivocal loyalty. 3. of uncertain significance; not determined: an equivocal attitude.

"Ambiguous" is listed as a synonym. --Robert Stevens 15:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't need to look up a dictionary. I know what the words mean and I have a degree in Latin and understand their origins. And on the particular issue, it remains untrue and inaccurate to say that there is "unequivocal consensus" by scientists about intelligent design.4theChildren 09:28, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Words often change their meaning when adopted from another language, or even from changed usage within a language over time. What its Latin origins may have been is therefore a very inaccurate guide to its current English meaning. The consensus appears to be happy with the word, so if you want it changed then you'll have to convince that consensus to change its mind. <font face="Antiqua, serif">HrafnTalkStalk 12:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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