User talk:5.102.239.215

December 2019
This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at ContraPoints, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Doxxing is 100% unacceptable. DanielRigal (talk) 21:28, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make the edits referred to above, consider creating an account for yourself or logging in with an existing account so that you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

--5.102.239.215 (talk) 21:32, 23 December 2019 (UTC) Hello, This edit was not intended as Doxxing. The Birth name of well known people is, to the best of my understanding, information with Encyclopaedic value. Also, I checked before hand to see if similar pages have the birth names of trans people, and saw that this was the case (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manning for example). I don't understand why this is considered Doxxing.

Unrelated to that, I'm also one of Natalie's biggest and oldest fan. If you were aware of her work, you would have known she has repeatedly claimed she is "A woman who used to be a man". She would be on my side on this point. But it's not even relevant.


 * Nope. The only time we include the deadnames of trans people is when they were notable under those names. If you are trawling archive.org to find people's deadnames then that is abusive behaviour and we will not tolerate it. I have asked for your edit to be expunged from the publicly visible history of the article. BTW, The article about Charles Manning says nothing about him being trans and I assume that he wasn't. If you meant Chelsea Manning, she was very publicly notable under her deadname so we are not revealing any private information by including that. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The actual policy for this is here: MOS:DEADNAME. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:46, 23 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Please don't do it again. If there are multiple public sources linking the names we'd probably use them, but their aren't. I've removed the edit from the article history. Doug Weller  talk 21:51, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

What are you talking about? She was famous in 2016, well before her transition. I knew her name at the time, from her own videos. Also, I cited in the edit an article written by her under her deadname, which is still public online (and not in archive.org). 5.102.239.215 (talk) 22:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem is your knowledge and mine are worthless on Wikipedia. We'd need multiple mainstream sources linking the two names. An article using a different name isn't useful at all. Doug Weller  talk 22:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)