User talk:67.164.181.150

October 2020
Hello, 67.164.181.150. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Glenwood Springs, Colorado, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Netherzone (talk) 02:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

October 2020, by ndk, Mr. IPV4
@Netherzone, I have no affiliation with any of the entities named in any form, financial or otherwise, other than living here, and neither do my friends, family, colleagues, etc. I don't compete with them and I only contacted GSCBN years ago before Project THOR was even envisioned to be told that I was outside the service range at the time. I apologize for not proposing something on the talk page first, but it seemed straightforward to add information and citations. I am employed by Signet, Inc. of Colorado, ID number 20181471710, and we provide digital identity management services. Signet, Inc. has never conducted business with any of the listed organizations and would have no reason to do so; indeed, it would be antithetical to our raison d'etre. None of these organizations is nor has ever been a client of mine nor anyone I know.

I still consider the addition to be purely informational, but thanks for explaining your reasoning. I'll let someone else who has more experience in Wikipedia-fu flesh it out and hope they find my initial stab to be useful for references at least and I'm glad it will remain in the history.


 * Thank you for clarifying that you are not affiliated, nor have a COI. I had noticed that all of your edits are to Glenwood Springs, and thought that some edits seemed a bit promotional, or PR-like. Your message sounds like you just love where you live. The edit I made was because there was undue weight on the project(s) you added, and the "competition" only had one sentence, which disrupted a neutral point of view. Sometimes we have chambers of commerce or local companies adding promotional material to articles, both of which present a conflict of interest, and undisclosed paid editing. Best regards, Netherzone (talk) 03:46, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * @Netherzone, I understand and it must be a menial job trying to keep those entries out of Wikipedia. I deliberately added Comcast and CenturyLink as competitors in an effort to try to be as balanced as I could be, and if you wanted to tag me for conflict of interest, it would be for being a Comcast customer right now.


 * But, I shouldn't have noted that the relative costs of the fiber would be lower(based on the quotations that were in place prior to this build-out, which have since been removed, and gscbn.com now serves as a DNS redirect to the City of Glenwood Springs' own website. I have no affiliation with our Chamber of Commerce either, and frankly, most of the Glenwood Springs article was written by me(under different IP addresses) and I resolved many other promotional issues on the page itself.  It was a pile of citation neededs and other issues prior to that clean-up several years ago.


 * I'll try excising a few words from the version I had, adding a bit more about competitors, resubmit it, and see if you find it more palatable. I understand that's not the optimal way to do it, but I'm not well-versed in the etiquette here nor the mark-up.  If not, I'll understand why you reverted the change again.  There isn't a whole lot that goes on on the talk pages of towns of 10,000 people.  Thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully respond and explain the details of your decision.


 * May I ask why you edit under multiple accounts using different IP addresses, rather than creating a registered log in account?
 * I had bookmarked the article a while back because much of the tone is promotional, but this section really stood out as such. I refrained at that time from tagging it with promo, pov, tone, and puffery/peacocking, and instead decided to see if that tone would be tempered. I've again edited the Economy: Internet section removing the advertorial tone; made the section chronological; and gave equal weight to the various internet players in Glenwood Springs. Netherzone (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Netherzone I had created an account, upon which I promptly forgot the credentials and just edited anonymously instead. I could ask why Wikimedia doesn't allow login from third-party providers instead, particularly from academic institutions to bolster the credibility of the more scientific pages.
 * Anyway, what you've written is fine, and I'll refrain from further contributions to Wikimedia of any sort. Again, I appreciate the collegial commentary, and take care of yourself.


 * Thank you for your message. I'm not sure I know the answer to your question re: logging in from academic institutions. I happen to be an academic, and I've never had trouble logging in from home, work (school) - my office, the labs, library, etc. Perhaps there is a range-block in place in your area. I hope you return to Wikipedia in the future, we appreciate your contributions to the encyclopedia. All the best regards, Netherzone (talk) 21:39, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Netherzone It's a different concept from IP address ranges entirely. Federated identity, SAML, OIDC, etc.  An IP address provides no more information than, well, an IP address.  As one of the principal researchers involved in the creation of modern web-based SSO, now used by my bank, Wells Fargo, USCIS, DISA, and others, I could blather on at you, but I'll spare you the time and wish you a great week ahead instead.