User talk:68.132.68.52

December 2017
To enforce an arbitration decision and for violating the sanctions already in place on the article on the page Presidency of Donald Trump, you have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page:. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 21:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)  Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."

There clearly is a reason given (violation of the page restrictions in effect at Presidency of Donald Trump). Any reviewing administrator will be able to see that. Good day. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 21:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

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User:Coffee You are Wrong. You failed to explain how I violated the sanctions. How did my 1 revert violate policy? Is 0RR a policy?

A reason for the block was clearly given, and was placed in reflection of an Arbitration Committee enforcement due to the topic being under discretionary sanctions, which allows for uninvolved administrators to apply sanctions and take administrative actions necessary to keep the editing environment collaborative and acceptable. His block was justified. This was the text that I was going to respond to your unblock request with, but Favonian beat me to it, so I'll just leave it as a response instead.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   22:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

User: Oshwah, can you show diffs of me violating sanctions? Again, I only made 1 revert. You are mistaken.is 0RR a policy? 68.132.68.52 (talk) 22:07, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

December 2017
 Your ability to edit this talk page has been revoked as an administrator has identified your talk page edits as inappropriate and/or disruptive. ([ block log] • [ active blocks] • [ global blocks] • [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/autoblock/?user=&project=en.wikipedia.org autoblocks] • contribs • deleted contribs • [ abuse filter log] • [ • change block settings • [ unblock] • [ checkuser] ([ log]))

If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you should read the guide to appealing blocks, then contact administrators by submitting a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. If the block is a CheckUser or Oversight block, was made by the Arbitration Committee or to enforce an arbitration decision (arbitration enforcement), or is unsuitable for public discussion, you should appeal to the Arbitration Committee. Please note that there could be appeals to the unblock ticket request system that have been declined leading to the post of this notice. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 22:18, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

To enforce an arbitration decision you have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page:. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. Drmies (talk) 03:32, 21 December 2017 (UTC)  Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped."
 * And yeah, really this one. Drmies (talk) 03:33, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * User: Drmies What exactly is wrong with that edit? It is discussed in the article that Comey's dismissal is alleged to possibly constitute obstruction of justice. I didn't say that it did; clearly it is a notable aspect of the dismissal that it is being investigated as to whether it constituted obstruction of justice. Could you clarify what your objection is to that edit, or why it deserved a 1 week block, rather than a revert?
 * Here, presently in the article, it states, with 5 sources: "In light of the dismissal, the memo, and Comey's testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee in June 2017, several media figures, political opponents and legal scholars said that Trump's acts could be construed as obstruction of justice, while others disagreed.[19][20][21][22]" Did you block that editor too?68.132.68.52 (talk) 03:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * User: Drmies, would you please care to explain your reasoning behind the block? I have shown you evidence that the material added was already present in the article, and I was simply adding it to the top, and it was not "original research." Surely you don't believe adding a statement which is already in the article as things stand is deserving of a 1-week block? I would be appreciative of some manner of explanation for your actions, preferably which is more detailed than "Yeah, this edit..." without any inkling of commentary of what you found objectionable about the edit linked to (which merely reproduced material already in the article, not very far down.) Thank you for your reply. Not only that, the word "Obstruction of justice" is already in the article 46 times; it is certainly appropriate to use a term used 46 times in the article in the lead. 68.132.68.52 (talk) 03:53, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * So we're clear - is this the appeal you'd like copied to WP:AE? SQL Query me!  03:58, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * User:SQL I don't quite understand what you mean, but yes you can copy this to another page. 68.132.68.52 (talk) 04:03, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I'm asking if you want me to. Please read the Arbitration Enforcement block notice. SQL Query me!  04:16, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. Yes, I'd like to appeal. There was nothing wrong with my edit
 * As you requested - Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. SQL Query me!  04:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your assistance. Appreciated. 68.132.68.52 (talk) 04:31, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Totally, tendentiously undue in the opening sentence of the lead. Drmies (talk) 03:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * How so? Again, "obstruction of justice" is mentioned 46 times in the article. It is arguably the most notable aspect of the dismissal. Your block was inappropriate, and your threadbare explanation fails to justify it. "Totally, tendentiously undue"... Have you read the article? It doesn't seem you have. Nor have you explained why adding material that is already in the article 46 times is worthy of a 1 week block. 68.132.68.52 (talk) 04:02, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If the next admin thinks my block was wrong, they'll lift it. Which would be fine with me. Your week is explained by your track record in the area. Drmies (talk) 04:05, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * User: Drmies Cool. So, basically, you don't believe in administrator accountability, and think you can do what you like without explanation for your actions. Nice policy. As far as my "track record," whatever my "track record is, you haven't explained why any of the current edits were wrong, so this is a non-sequitur. I disproved your unevidenced claim that my edit was "tendentious" and you failed to respond with anything showing it was "tendentious." I explained to you patiently that the material was in the article 46 times and you responded with essentially nothing because you appear to believe you are above having to explain or justify your actions. Great job. 68.132.68.52 (talk) 04:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Say, User: Drmies why don't you do everyone a favor and admit your mistake and rescind your block, since you were unable to provide any Reasons for it? Note: Your claim that my edit was tendentious was disproved by my evidence that the same sentence I added was already in the article 46 times, and hence, unworthy of a block. I note you have still yet to respond to this point. (I'll also point out that "if the next admin thinks my block was wrong, they'll lift it" isn't a reason for the block or responsive to my request for justification of your conduct. 68.132.68.52 (talk) 06:46, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you User: Sandstein for the unblock. 68.132.68.52 (talk) 17:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

apologies
I thought it said "presidential candidate" not "president"..is a little confusing. Could be clarified. Shouldn't be absolute.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:43 pm, Today (UTC+5.5)
 * i see what you mean. I'll see if I can clarify, maybe by saying "winning president". we could try to say something like by 2.1 percent, the greatest margin of any winning president since 1876. I agree that absolute comparisons are not necessarily meaningful, so perhaps the percent is a better barometer. 68.132.68.52 (talk) 18:18, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Galobtter I tried to clarify the two potential ambiguities as follows: "Trump lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton by nearly 3 million votes, a margin of 2.1 percent, thus losing the popular vote by a greater percentage than any winning U.S. president since 1876.[10][11][12]" Does that clarify?68.132.68.52 (talk) 18:22, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

December 2017
To enforce an arbitration decision and for violating the sanctions already in place, specifically you did not get the required consensus before restoring challenged material on the page Trump campaign–Russian meetings, you have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 weeks. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block or other sanctions. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the guide to appealing blocks (specifically this section) before appealing. Place the following on your talk page:. If you intend to appeal on the arbitration enforcement noticeboard I suggest you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template on your talk page so it can be copied over easily. You may also appeal directly to me (by email), before or instead of appealing on your talk page. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 00:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)  Reminder to administrators: In May 2014, ArbCom adopted the following procedure instructing administrators regarding Arbitration Enforcement blocks: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped." This isn't your first rodeo. Do it again, and this IP won't be able to edit our site for a few years. &mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 00:51, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * User: Coffee Do what again? You haven't cited a diff or stated what your objection to it is. I am entitled to know what exactly I am being blocked for, and what your objection is, aren't I? 68.132.68.52 (talk) 00:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This is the offending edit. You can see the reason for your block in the notice you received. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 00:59, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This is literally the same reason I blocked you the first time. So if you have problems knowing what you did wrong, I suggest you check your memory. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 01:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * "Oh but it's verified in the article!" Yes, but it's still tendentious and undue. I can look up a couple of Facebook groups that would love to have your input. Drmies (talk) 01:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Coffee, make sure you file your paperwork properly or will summarily unblock, regardless of the merits of the block. ;) Drmies (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I logged it, you can be sure. ;) <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 01:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * User: Coffee I didn't "restore" any offending material that had been challenged. Your administrative action was uncalled for. I will ask you to rescind it so I don't have to get it overturned. Furthermore, substantively, it already states in the article that Papadopolous and Flynn have pled guilty (a guilty plea is a conviction) and that Gates and Manafort were indicted. What exactly do you think is in the least controversial about what I said? 68.132.68.52 (talk) 01:03, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Anonymous users from this IP address have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 years for block evasion. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 01:03, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * If this is a shared IP address and you are an uninvolved editor with a registered account, you may continue to edit by logging in.


 * IP is firmly identified via behavioral evidence to be User:Kingshowman. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 01:04, 23 December 2017 (UTC)


 * You're blocked for two, separate, reasons. First, you violated the consensus required restriction at Trump campaign–Russian meetings. For this, you have been blocked 2 weeks. Second, but concurrently, you have been identified to be a blocked user evading their block. For this, you have been blocked 2 years. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 01:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

<div class="user-block" style="background:#ffe0e0; border:1px solid #886644; padding:0.5em; margin:0.5em auto; min-height: 40px"> Your ability to edit this talk page has been revoked as an administrator has identified your talk page edits as inappropriate and/or disruptive. ([ block log] • [ active blocks] • [ global blocks] • [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/autoblock/?user=&project=en.wikipedia.org autoblocks] • contribs • deleted contribs • [ abuse filter log] • [ • change block settings • [ unblock] • [ checkuser] ([ log]))

If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you should read the guide to appealing blocks, then contact administrators by submitting a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. If the block is a CheckUser or Oversight block, was made by the Arbitration Committee or to enforce an arbitration decision (arbitration enforcement), or is unsuitable for public discussion, you should appeal to the Arbitration Committee. Please note that there could be appeals to the unblock ticket request system that have been declined leading to the post of this notice. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 01:11, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , on the basis on technical and behavioral evidence, I agree with you. Kingshowman, why do you have to be such an enormous jerk about everything? Even Al Franken owned up to some bad behavior. In the meantime, I updated the CU wiki with a page dedicated to you: congratulations. Drmies (talk) 01:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)