User talk:7&6=thirteen/Archive 2

Barber's pole
I like barber's poles and anything with helixes in them. Getting above 20,000 bytes was a coincidence! Bigturtle (talk) 21:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Now you have me thinking - worrying even. I am recovering from a back injury and am spending little time doing anything except winging. Fortunately, no bloody bandages. I just read about barber poles in some fiction set in the 12th century or so. Wonder if I can dig up a reference? Carptrash (talk) 21:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Triskelion
Please give one good reason why a triskelion is an "optical illusion"... AnonMoos (talk) 19:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I replied on your talk page. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC) Stan


 * The PDF file nicely assembles different symbols (though it's a little New-Agey, and by no means clearly a reliable source by Wikipedia standards), but it only states that certain particular forms of the Tomoe exhibit figure-ground vacillation -- which is a long way from saying that the Triskelion in general is an "optical illusion". AnonMoos (talk) 14:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Whatever -- just because one form of the Tomoe shows figure-ground vacillation, that doesn't mean that all forms of the Triskelion are so-called "optical illusions". AnonMoos (talk) 21:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Now Triquetra
You kind of went wild with the categories on that article, and there's the same problem with the "optical illusions" category. Just because a new-agey PDF file mentions that a related symbol (not the Triquetra itself) shows figure-ground vacillation, that doesn't mean that the triquetra is an "optical illusion"[sic]. AnonMoos (talk) 21:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Now Triple Spiral
Please don't throw a large number of only very vaguely-relevant (if at all relevant), categories onto articles, and don't add "Category:Vision rivalry" to all articles about visual symbols... AnonMoos (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Oliver Hazard Perry
I have rewritten a key paragraph of this article to divide it up into two paragraphs, and clarify it a little; take a look. Bigturtle (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Dueling was an occupational hazard of the pre-Civil War U.S. Navy. Perry's War of 1812 colleague, Stephen Decatur, was killed in a duel.  I am not sure whether a blow-by-blow account of all of the challenges, etc., would be appropriate in Perry's case; he died from other causes.


 * As for the Perry/Elliott specific dispute, my very limited knowledge indicates that was a can of worms and a half. The friends of the two sides continued to fight long after the two principals were dead, and I am under the impression that one of the impetuses behind construction of the Battle of Lake Erie Memorial 100 years later was to try to end the controversy in Perry's favor.  The memorial was deliberately named the Perry's Victory and International Peace Memorial.


 * One underlying fact was that as a member of a prominent New England family, Perry's memory was naturally supported by prominent members of the Whig Party and, later, the Republican Party, while Elliott came from a Southern state and, sure enough, you see him developing a patron-client relationship with the very Democratic President John Tyler towards the end of his life and career. So the whole mess might have had political elements as well.   Bigturtle (talk) 21:16, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Cougars in Upper Peninsula and Northern Michigan
I am not pleased that an editor is taking the position that the existences of Cougars in the first location (which will I believe spill over to the second) cannot be mentioned in the article, notwithstanding that reliable and complete references were included. To say that they do not exist, or aren't worth reporting seems to be perverse. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC) Stan
 * Proving that Cougars do not exist is not so easy, given all the contrary evidence as cited in Upper Peninsula. It is rather like reliably proving that "water babies do not exist."  See The Water-Babies, A Fairy Tale for a Land Baby.  "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."  Indeed, there is ample evidence, which only committed non-believers will disregard.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 22:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC) Stan

Barber pole grasshopper
Imzadi, I did not want to post this on your talk page. I under stand that the "in use" tag, when read in the font it has, and at a certain magnification, actually looked like the "muse" tag. Indeed, I understand your intensity and anguish. And I don't want to break my promise to not interfere with you or your muse. I am leaving and found this additional source. U an memorializing it here. Hope it helps. “Barber pole grasshopper” a/k/a “painted grasshopper” is said to be the most beautifuil grasshopper. Beth Thiret, Colorado State University Extension Master Gardener in Larimer County "Ugh: What to do about Grasshoppers". Thank you and happy editing. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC) Stan
 * Just a comment about that source. It's not published by the CSU Extension. It's published by The Recorder in Berthoud, CO. "CSU Extension Master Gardener in Larimer County" is Ms. Thiret's title. I've updated the article to reflect the correct publisher and publication date and location. My mantra in doing references is to supply the greatest amount of available information on the source without being redundant. If the newspaper name has the location in its title, then duplicating the location isn't needed. If we're using a source from the flagship newspaper of a publisher of the same name, then including the publisher isn't needed either. (That assumes of course that the publisher is readily known.) I do a little digging through "About us" or "Contact us" pages on websites to fill in the information. I somewhat regularly take articles to WP:FAC and that level of detail is scrutinized there to determine if a source is reliable. It's a practice I've spread to any article I'm working on to save future work.  Imzadi  1979   →  01:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Folk etymology: Your input requested
Hi, 7+6=13 -- I am looking for people with interests in folklore (editors I’ve encountered on folklore/mythology articles as well as elsewhere) to visit talk:Folk etymology, where there is an ongoing edit dispute. One view (three people) holds that the term is exclusive to linguistics, and another (just me) finds that the term has been formally defined within folklore, and used in academic journals in that sense for more than a century. The page is currently locked. I ask your input ‘’’not in support of either view,’’’ but because discussion seems to have come to a standstill, it seems to be a page few stumble across, and needs fresh viewpoints to get unstuck. Thanks! DavidOaks (talk) 17:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Photo Uploads
Salut Genevieve, Creating a user page at commons is fine, i have one as well; [3]. When you upload photos to commons they can be used by all wiki projects, when they are uploaded here they are for wiki only. The process i do is merely upload a photo here on english wikipedia and typically someone else will move the photo to commons for me (if they want and the image meets certain guidelines See Wikipedia:Moving files to the Commons). The choice is yours but commons and wikipedia itself have different image procedures, I would recommend uploading first on english wiki then transfering (if you want) to commons. Before doing anything though, familize yourself with Wikipedia:Image use policy(with close attention to Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Privacy_rights) and Commons:Photographs of identifiable people. This is a lengthy read but it will describe what types of photos can and shouldnt be used. I dont think theres many issues with the photos you plan to take though (but they will likely need more info on the privacy issue depending on the type of photo you take). Images are not my strong area as I typically avoid taking pictures of living people, but mostly focus on buildings. But this information should be enough to get you moving in the right direction. When you think your ready take a look at Wikipedia:Uploading images and thenproceed to upload at Special:Upload. Alot to take in....

When you created your commons account did you set up a global account(unified account)? If you didnt you still can, you can link your accounts, let me know if you need help with that. As for uploading the photos, The license i use typically for buildings is Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License- See [4] for details on the licsense. A good example of photo licensing for people (what you appear to be trying to do) is at File:USA-Womens-Hockey-Olympics-5.jpg of Jenny Potter, The minnesota Whitecaps player (if you ever get a chance to see her play, do it ;) ). Let me know if this starts you off ok (or if you need more concise info), again images of living people arent my strong area. Will talk soon

Folk etymology: Your input requested
Hi, SS -- I am looking for people with interests in folklore (editors I’ve encountered on folklore/mythology articles as well as elsewhere) to visit talk:Folk etymology, where there is an ongoing edit dispute. One view (three people) holds that the term is exclusive to linguistics, and another (just me) finds that the term has been formally defined within folklore, and used in academic journals in that sense for more than a century. The page is currently locked. I ask your input not in support of either view, but because discussion seems to have come to a standstill, it seems to be a page few stumble across, and needs fresh viewpoints to get unstuck. Thanks! DavidOaks (talk) 18:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, my apologies for meeting under these circumstances. I am not going to discuss the ANI on the talk page, so I will respond to you here. The problem is that the user above has been involved in quite a long edit war with various inappropriate actions and now has specifically sought out only editors he views as interested in one subject by private message. The selected private recruitment of uninvolved editors based upon their interest in one side of a dispute most certainly does amount to canvassing. I have tried to avoid reporting this user for weeks now, while he has unsuccessfully filed RfC's and ANI's and remained a minority of one. The only person standing in the way of his contributing the relevant material under its own article is him. Be assured that I have no problem with your comments on the article.μηδείς (talk) 22:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Barber pole
Your works looking good on the page, thanks for the note. Im not an expert on this but, I have seen that sports like rugby and british football (soccer) ( I think a few scottish teams use this pattern) use this style of uniform. For Hockey though Universities populourized this pattern as well. For instance Queens university in Canada uses this theme quite a bit with there throwback sports uniforms (from the late 1800s) and current school clothing lines. But the fundamental trend in canada at least ive noticed (needing sources though of course) was that in the late 1800s and early 1900s sporting teams used the barber pole style of uniform. Anyway just a few ideas for expansions, but an explanation as to why they used the pattern if you could find a source would be a fanatstic addition to the article. Cheers. Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Great suggestions. Pregnant with possibilities.  Keep an eye out for sources.  Unfortunately, I am reuired to go back to real world work, and can't get to this for a few days.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC) Stan

Cougar

 * expanded Eastern Cougar page.

Calamitybrook (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Rug weavers
deliberate mistake. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 04:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC) Stan

Templates for citation
 Imzadi  1979   →  16:36, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I am putting this here so I can find it. Thanks again  [[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Stan

Reference templates

Imzadi, You've been leading by example, and I am being guilted into adopting citation templates. Is there an easier way to use them? Less cumbersome? Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Stan


 * I use them primarily because no matter what order I format the parameters, I get consistent results. I tend to copy/paste the information off the online source, so it might be pasted in a different order, but it always outputs the same.


 * The easiest way I know is to learn the standard set of template names and parameter names. They're quite consistent My rules of thumb are:
 * cite web for webpage-only content
 * cite book for books available in print, even if an online or e-book edition is being cited
 * cite news for newspaper articles (and TV station articles) that would also appear in the print edition (reported in the news broadcast)
 * cite journal for magazines and scientific journals, even if hosted online
 * cite map for maps, even if an electronic edition (There are google maps, yahoo maps and bing maps to shortcut the information for those online maps.)
 * cite press release for press releases, even if hosted online
 * There are others as well for things like video or audio recordings.


 * When it comes to parameters:
 * for author names. If there are multiple authors, add a number in place of the n to separate them out. If there is only one, drop the number.
 * if the author is an organization, which is rare. I only use organizations as an author if the publisher is different and the organization is explicitly credited as an author
 * for the title of the article, map, press release, web page or book. Convert the title to Title Case.
 * the name of the website (which isn't the URL and should be different from the publisher), the name of the newspaper, etc.
 * the company that publishes the content. For most newspapers, this isn't really needed, but this is where to put the TV or radio station's call letters. (I don't use the station's branding as outside of their viewing/listening area, no one knows who "9&10 News" would be, but they'd understand WWTV-TV.)
 * the location, if known, of the source. I skip this if the location is listed in the newspaper's name. I usually skip this on state government sources since the assumption would be that it was published in the state capital. (Sometimes with DOT sources, the location is the district office because the source only pertains to a district.)
 * The date of publication. Similarly,  if only the year is known. Bots will fix this during other edits if you use the "wrong" one.
 * use one or the other but not both. The former uses "p. #" as the output, and the latter uses "pp. #" instead. If you have a range of pages, use an en dash (–) as the separator, not a hyphen (-).
 * for the date you accessed the source, if an online link is provided.
 * if there is a link to the source, feel free to add it. Except for webpages though, this is usually quite optional.
 * this is a multipurpose parameter. If the URL links to a PDF, you should indicate that. Same for anything like an Excel file, a Word document, etc. Also, if a subscription is required, I list "Subscription required" to alert readers that they might have to pay to get the article.
 * are useful if the webpage is no longer accessible through the website, but it is hosted at http://www.archive.org/ or another site. In that case, use the original URL in the  parameter
 * The last parameters I use are things like  and the like. ISBNs are standard numbers for books, and ISSNs are used on some journals and magazines. If you can provide one of these, the reader will get link to a search page. From there, he can click to find the book in the WorldCat library catalog search, Amazon or Google Books, among other options.


 * All of the different templates list their full parameters in their documentation. cite book has parameters for chapters and the URL of a chapter as well as things like editors, editions, new publication dates, etc. cite map has parameters for sections and insets on a map, which would be like a page number in book or magazine. Basically, add all of the known information about a source to the template. Some things won't be known and must be skipped. If you can find the data on the source, try to.  Imzadi  1979   →  16:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. I know some editors don't like them or don't use them, but for me it's been simple. When I was in school, I had to look up in my Writer's Inc reference book to see how to format bibliography entries for my school papers. With the templates, I just supply the information and the template formats it for me. If a piece of information is missing, it knows how to reformat the output to accommodate it. (If an author is given, the date/year information appears in parentheses before the title information. If there isn't an author, the year is moved later so that the citation starts with the title.) When I was doing the Grand Rapids Press articles out of my library's Newsbank archive to list on the UP article talk page, I copied and pasted the information from the head of the article. That meant that the author was pasted in after the article title, but the template rearranged my data to the proper output.  Imzadi  1979   →  16:43, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In law school (Harvard blue book) and in 37 years of the practice of law, I had to use various forms of citations. I am well familiar with the regimen, but have not wanted to internalize a new system.  But I will prove that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" is wrong.  Thank you.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Stan
 * Button easy cite.png The Reftools button is your friend! I use it religiously, but I haven't quite memorized the syntax like Imzadi1979 has. –Fredddie™ 21:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * RefTools must be added for it to be seen by the user. Select My Preferences ==> Gadgets ==> Editing gadgets and then check refTools. It will be seen as Cite in the above right of the editing box in edit view. See RefToolbar 2.0...And yes, it is the easy way of doing it without memorizing the rules of usage. :) ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)) 19:19, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

You made a correction to the Italian Hall disaster website, regarding Alison Hoagland's book, Mine Towns. However, in her book, she DID say it was a bi-fold door. Although I disagree with her, she wrote on page 223, "This door was hinged in the middle so that one leaf folded flat against the other and both lay flat against the wall on the left." Like I said, she is wrong, but that is what she said.76.226.1.170 (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Note re citations ProveIt
There's a new tool that was announced in this week's Signpost called ProveIt that's becoming handy for me since I installed it last night. I'll take a look here quick though at the article. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 23:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Note
Stenopodidea Many species are particularly attractive, with striped red and white bodies, earning them the alternative name barber-pole shrimp. ... John Kay (caricaturist) In 1785, induced by the favour which greeted certain attempts of his to etch in aquafortis, he took down his barber's pole and opened a ... Allotropa

Oliver Hazard Perry Medals
Per your request. Happy editing! QuAz GaA  19:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Quazgaa, I put it into the article. Please take a look.  Thank you and Happy New Year to you.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 04:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC) Stan

Talk:Old Mission Peninsula AVA
The discussion on this page concerns content and sourcing. One of our editors has decided that the following does not belong there.

Recurrent events

 * Local restaurants compete at the Old Mission wineries on the Saturday after Thanksgiving in a macaroni & cheese tasting event with the winners determined by popular vote.
 * On Saturday, the second weekend in May, Leelanau County hosts a Cherry Blossom Tour with free bus rides to orchards.
 * The Wineries of Old Mission host their annual Blossom Days the third weekend in May.
 * A calendar of other events is available. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC) Stan

Italian Hall disaster
You made a correction to the Italian Hall disaster website, regarding Alison Hoagland's book, Mine Towns. However, in her book, she DID say it was a bi-fold door. Although I disagree with her, she wrote on page 223, "This door was hinged in the middle so that one leaf folded flat against the other and both lay flat against the wall on the left." Like I said, she is wrong, but that is what she said.76.226.1.170 (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * In your recent revisions, you note that "Mine Towns" by Hoagland was named a Michigan Notable book. Is that an appropriate thing to place in the text of this entry? If so, "Death's Door" which is also referenced several times was a Michigan Notable book award winner in 2007. I would think either they both be mentioned as such, or neither. Whichever is appropriate. Thoughts?76.226.1.170 (talk) 19:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I made the correction. You might want to set up a Wikipedia account, so that you are not editing from an IP address.  I agree with you about the book awards.  Wasn't aware of it, obviously.  Never claimed omniscience.  Or omnipotence, as my screwing around with the templates attests.  Anyway, if I can be of assistance, feel free to let me know.  Happy editing.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)  Stan

I added a reference for Lehto's book being a Notable Book in 2007. It makes the entry consistent on that point. I'd rather edit from an IP.76.226.1.170 (talk) 13:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

List of counties in Michigan and List of Michigan county name etymologies Request for assistance
Our esteemed editors deleted the second article, and did a half-assed, inadequate and incomplete merge of the subject matter into the first. I was not given notice of any of this, despite having been a substantial contributor to the second article, and a smaller contributor to the first. This was SNAFU and perhaps FUBAR, but it is water over the Wikipedia dam. So I am not trying to reopen this. I would like access to the deleted article, which actually has a lot of references and citations that need to be in the second. I do not want to have to reinvent the wheel. If somebody would put it (or a link) onto my talk page it would be appreciated. Please give me a hand. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Stan


 * It's pretty easy and you don't need to be an admin to access the history. Just click on the link to List of Michigan county name etymologies. Then from the List of counties in Michigan page, right under the title you should see (Redirected from List of Michigan county name etymologies) -- you can click on the link there to get to the redirect at the old title. Once there, you can click the View History link and access previous versions. This is direct link to the last version before it was redirected . older ≠ wiser 23:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Fred Green
An article that you have been involved in editing, Fred Green, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Paul McDonald (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Perry
My earlier text said "he ran the Revenge aground" implying Perry was directing the ship at the time. Research at Google Book search disclosed the 1843 article I mentioned and other sources noting that a pilot was steering the ship when, in the fog, it hit a reef and sank. I changed the text to "the Revenge ran aground." I am aware that today if a captain ran his ship into a reef and it sank, his career would likely be over. (See Holly Graf, for instance). See also which notes that in 1908 running a ship aground was normally a career ending event, but (future) Admiral Nimitz survived that event. I suspected that Perry had gotten off lightly, perhaps through connections with powerful individuals, which could also have given him his fast promotions. Further research showed that this was not the case: he made the best of a bad situation caused by fog suddenly rolling in, while the local pilot was in charge, and a board fully exonerated him for swift actions to save the crew and much of the contents on the ship. It seemed like a noncontroversial editorial change,to make it the passive voice, but I added the note in case I was later challenged on it, just to remind me of a source. It did not seem important to add a reference to the article. See Hazard Perry" by James Fenimore Cooper, Graham;s Magazine, Volume XXII, No. 5, May, 1843, page 268. If you think it is needed, feel free to add it, or let me know and I will. Edison (talk) 19:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Find a grave
Not a reliable source, so not a good reference to include. As for photos, what would prevent someone from providing any photo, with the inscription photoshopped to say whatever he wished? (Pranksters create even fake wars, fake towns and fake roads on Wikipedia. Way too much time on their hands). It is interesting, but not useful for verifying anything. Edison (talk) 19:50, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Mountain dog‎ andTalk:Mountain dog‎
There is an interesting discussion about the scope of articles and article content. I am not urging anyone to take a position, but I am urging input from fellow editors. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC) Stan

10th anniversary
Thanks for the anniversary greetings! Have a happy anniversary too! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I am tempted
(and probably will give in -my usual response to temptation) to attribute the sculpture at the Alpena County Courthouse to Parducci, however his records, those that I have, are blank for 1932 through 1934, so I am not going to make that claim on wikipedia. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It sure looks a lot like the work on your webpage (which I rather enjoyed, especially the photos of National Shrine of the Little Flower. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Stan

Good MI newspaper resources
Newspapers for Michigan -- old & new ⋙–Berean–Hunter—►  ((⊕)</b>) 17:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Trying to find sources on E.M. will be scut work, I think.  I tend to think that if Quinion World Wide Words couldn't find it or cite to it, then it is of marginal relevance.  But I'll keep  this in mind.  I think that the rewrite is balanced and gives some insight (at least contemporarily) on the origins of the controversy.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC) Stan

Re: The Real McCoy
 Imzadi 1979  →   19:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

- here's a corrected URL for the congressional record citation #18 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2011-03-01/pdf/CREC-2011-03-01-pt1-PgS1071.pdf#page=3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.82.19.127 (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I'll put it in.  ````

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a special Wikicookies
for 7&6=thirteen. Bravo. For your very good correction  in page of Pauline Bebe. Continue your good work in Wikipedia. Pass a good week-end, Best regards --Geneviève (talk) 17:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Merci. Thank you for creating the excellent article which is on an important person and subject.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Sherman Minton and judicial review
Good article on judicial review that I tripped across, and which could have application to this and other SCOTUS articles. And this was before some of the more recent handiwork of the court. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 15:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hope you didn't mind my refactoring
If you want me to undo my refactoring of your comments on Barek's page, I will. I was hoping to clarify for his sake. If the user doesn't respond and keeps spamming, I will be headed towards having that site blacklisted. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 18:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Please don't undo the good work you did.  I think that blacklisting would put a stop to it.  I frankly don't want to attack the poster as a vandal, as it isn't that clear to me.  But like The Wolf in Sheep's Clothing, you can judge them by what they do, not what they wear.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:47, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pauline Bebe
Bonjour I am going to write to HJ Mitchell so that a part of this DKY is for you. It was a work Team and you deserve this award.--Geneviève (talk) 13:57, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Congratulations to you. You are too kind.  I just wanted to give you a helping hand.  It is good to water the acorns.  Merci.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 14:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC)


 * If you feel they're deserving of credit, by all means copy and paste the template from your talk page to theirs. I know it's my signature on your talk page, but that's only because I was the person who told the bot what to do. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   17:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   11:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Congratulations 7&amp;6=thirteen . I am very proud of your work on this page. --Geneviève (talk) 20:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

whooooops
I better go and spell "university" correctly in my cut-&paste bibliography too. Good catch. EInar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Hi Thirteen, regarding this set of edits at Earl Young, I need to point out some problems. First, all of those categories except one relates to architectural styles, not the architects themselves. "Category:Arts and Crafts architects" was a good addition though, I'd have not thought of it. Second, please do not add both parent and child categories to articles. For example, only "American architectural styles" would be added, not it and "Architectural styles". The article is already in the latter since it is in the former. Same with "Modernist architecture in the United States" and "Modernist architecture", and "Arts and Crafts architects" and "Arts and Crafts Movement". Let me know if you have any questions. — Huntster (t @ c) 03:41, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I figured it was better to include them and have someone delete them if I was wrong, rather than need them and not have them.  Over inclusion is more easily found and corrected than under inclusion, I think.  I don't disagree with you at all.    <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 15:37, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree completely. If in doubt, throw it in, and it'll be fixed in necessary. Like I said, I'd have never known about the "Arts and Crafts architects" category had you not included it. We're always learning here. :) — Huntster (t @ c) 22:37, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The whole category thing is very daunting, especially when you are dabbling in subjects you don't normally edit. Happy editing.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 22:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Bonjour dear Thirteen
This morning, I have a big problem with the Infobox national hockey team for Slovenian women's national ice hockey team: see my sandbox User:Genevieve2/sandbox0324. Maybe you can help me ? thanks, merci --Geneviève (talk) 16:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Genevieve, I am completely out of my depth on this issue. Maybe one of our esteemed editors can help.  Let me know if that works out.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed the template. Just a missing bracket.Asher196 (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out our newbie editor. I'm sure she'll echo the sentiments.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:33, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
...for the barnstar. That's very kind of you. Cheers, <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 21:10, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

gif file on userpage
Someone uploaded a new version on Feb. 6 using Autodesk Maya which changed the file. Apparently this renders it non-working when it is resized. I'll leave a note and may revert the file at Commons. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 15:35, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Some of the explanation is here. I've linked to the older version which should work for you. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 16:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I like it much better as a working model.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Let me know if your userpage looks okay to you...I've got a widescreen monitor and it may look good to me but not to you. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 21:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Four aces.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 21:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

your Help for correction a text
Bonsoir dear 7&6=thirteen, I working now on Coupe Dodge. It is a Québecois Championship in Ice hockey (French region of Canada). The old article of wikipedia speak only about men ice hockey. As I know very well this girls competition, I complete now with the women ice hockey User:Genevieve2/sandbox05. My English Language is poor and maybe my draft is filled with grammatical mistakes and with English spelling. Can you hepl me to correct this text? You should not translate everything into English language especially the name of the French-speaking teams. But for the verbs yes it makes translate correctly. If you will to help me, it would be kind. Merci beaucoup --Geneviève (talk) 00:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Sherman Minton
I don't really get this edit. Why link to a Google copy of the original when you can link just as well to the original? --Conti|✉ 17:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Addition of "Rare dog breeds" cat to BMD article
Hi there, I noticed you had re-added the rare dog breeds category to the Bernese Mountain Dog article and I'm curious as to your rationale. I had originally removed it because its AKC ranking is 39, putting it on par with Collies, Miniature Pinschers, Bichon Frise(s?), and Viszlak. As far as I know -- could be wrong -- the breed is even more popular in Europe; not sure about other regions. &mdash; <font color="Goldenrod">anndelion ( talk ) 02:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Anndrelion, I would confess that I don't know where the cutoff from 'rare' to 'common' is. I don't actually see a lot of Berners, but that is completely anecdotal, idiosyncratic and may be due to where I happen to be.  I don't have a strong position on this.  I would think that ranking is one tool, but actual numbers of registrations might be a more useful way of thinking about this.  The numbers of dogs, I would guess, drop off sharply after the first 25 breeds.  Hope that explains what I did and why.  If there is a policy somewhere, of an accepted definiton, that might inform what we want to do.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 02:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * See Rare breed (dog)  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 02:43, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Moving this to Bernese mountain dog.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 02:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Roseville, MI
You have reverted a change I made to the Roseville, Michigan page, which was a correct update of the city's demographics. I am reverting them back, as it was accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remisc (talk • contribs) 04:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of magic museums‎ and Talk:La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin
Good Evening, Both texts seem to me to be good. I cannot write more because I do not know the subject of magic museums. Bonne chance --Geneviève (talk) 00:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK submission
Hello! Your submission of La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Benea (talk) 12:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK credits for La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin
Materialscientist (talk) 12:10, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Pictures for La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin
Wanted to drop a note off to say I enjoyed reading the La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin article, and wanted to point out that two of the pictures in the Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin article could be used in the museum article as well. I took File:Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin museum (statue and display).jpg and File:Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin statue (Blois).jpg when visiting Blois, but didn't get a chance to go inside the musuem. What you are seeing in the former pictures (and the picture in the article) is the "The six-headed dragon automaton" display, where the dragon models move in and out of the windows (the current article caption incorrectly calls the dragons crocodiles, and the "snake" is one of the dragon's tails). I'm sure there are videos of it on YouTube if you look (not sure whether public displays like that in France are accepted on Commons). Anyway, hope those pictures will be of some use. Carcharoth (talk) 16:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Carcharoth, thanks for the positive feedback. I'm sure that Bereanhunter will alter the caption, and I'll leave it to him.  It is appreciated that someone who has been there concurs in the worth of the article.  I actually have quite a bit to add, but get caught up in real life pursuits.  Will take a look at the suggested pictures, as I've been working quite diligently on the Robert-Houdin article.  Best to you.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 20:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

American Akita
Thanks heaps for the help on the American Akita page, I really appriciate it. Cheers, - Keetanii (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, thank you for your help with Armenian Gampr, --<span style="font-weight:bold; color:blue; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> Zara-arush (talk) 11:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar image
The original barnstar had been deleted here on your page because it was deleted at Commons. I've replaced it. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 16:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Real McCoy
This was a live one.:) <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  (<b style="color:#00C">(⊕)</b>) 20:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

pentagram map editing troubles
Hi 7&6=thirteen, thanks for your helpful comments on my talk page. Overall, I had a pretty bad experience editing the pentagram map wiki, and I'd like to both vent and ask for advice about how to avoid these problems again. Some background: I am a mathematician, and the originator of the subject on the wiki. After 20 years of thinking about it, I am recognized as one of the leading authorities on this small topic. The original version of the wiki page was quite sketchy and inaccurate, and indeed there was a tag to this effect on top of the page. I decided to clean the thing up, making it accurate, up-to-date, and well-referenced.

The first 3 hours of my edits were lost, thanks to a user named Abhishek... who thought I was vandalizing the site. Then, my further edits brought several more accusations of vandalism, both from this guy and someone who seemed to be a security expert. Finally, the next morning, the user Asher186 removed all the pictures I had put up. I made these pictures myself and own the copyright, but I did not know enough to actually license the pictures. The pictures were absolutely essential to the text, as anyone with any understanding of the topic could see.

All in all, I spent about 12 hours editing a page which would have taken me half that time without the (in my opinion) hasty intervention of people who probably know very little about the content of the page. I understand the need for wikipedia to protect itself against vandalism and other breaches of publicly responsible editing, but I wish that these users had shown a bit more restraint and discernment.

I noticed, on my talk page, that you suggest inline referencing. Frankly, I am so disgruntled with my experience on wikipedia that I don't have much desire to further edit pages. I might come back to it after cooling off. RichardEvanSchwartz (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

pentagram map reply
Hi 6&7=thirteen

Thanks for your long and sympathetic reply. As the writer and even occasional editor of many scholarly articles, I am used to doing things somewhat differently than is done on wikipedia. Usually people show more restraint in their edits. Of course, we are talking about a much more narrow and specialized area, where everyone more or less has a similar background.

On the other hand, wikipedia had some great advantages over traditional journals and articles, and is a fabulous resource. It is really a fundamentally different model for publication, so one is bound to expect differences in protocol. I'm happy to improve my wiki editing skills so that it doesn't raise red flags. One problem, I suppose, is that I am an extremely quick and relentless writer. Maybe that can look superficially like vandalism.

You mentioned that I might put some information about myself on my user's page. In fact, I already have a (short) wiki page, Richard Schwartz. This does not quite match my user name, RichardEvanSchwartz. I usually go by the latter, and I wonder if I might somehow consolidate these two names into one, so that both always refer to this page. At the same time, my website http://www.math.brown.edu/~res has quite a bit more information about me.

Thanks much for the offer to do the inline editing for me. I learned how to do this, and did it.

The one last thing I'd like to say is that I'm not a total newbie on wikipedia. In fact, I did a similar job with the outer billiards website around 3 yeas ago, and my colleagues in that little field seemed quite pleased. I didn't have any problems then, though the style is similar. I wonder if, in the 3yr interim, there has been a rise in artificial intelligence and bots on the net, which makes it harder for atypical editing to fly under the radar. Both websites I have edited are equally obscure.

Anyway, thanks again for your long, sympathetic message. RichardEvanSchwartz (talk) 21:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

thanks for the kind words
Hi 7&6=thirteen, thanks for your (repeated) kind and encouraging words. They have sweetened this whole experience quite a bit, and I am really quite happy that you appreciate my efforts. (I'm sure that these efforts are tiny in comparison to your own.) In response to several issues you raise: 1. I have been blanking my talk page partly because I haven't yet learned how to archive it and partly because I found the negative comments embarrassing. 2. You refer to a WP:DYK nomination for the pentagram map wiki page, but I am not sure about this. It seems to me that this is a small and specialized subtopic in mathematics. My main point in editing the page was to make it possible for students and other researchers in closely allied areas to find quick and accurate information about it. My collaborators and I thought that this would be a good time to edit the page because this particular topic is getting "hot", with more researchers getting interested and finding connections, but in this business "hot" means that maybe 10 people in the world are interested!

Incidentally, thanks for the tip about inline referencing. This allowed me to be a bit more modest in the presentation of the material. Instead of repeatedly saying "In his 20XX paper, Richard Schwartz proved..." I could just state the fact and give an inline reference to my paper. For the most part, this suits me better. Believe it or not, I didn't like the fact that I was quoting my own name so often. RichardEvanSchwartz (talk) 04:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Pentagram map edits
Hi 7&6=thirteen, Thanks for your continued interest in this matter. I'll try to answer your latest questions that you left on my talk page.

1. You asked about the practical importance of this topic, to the outside world. I think that the topic itself has very little practical importance. Like many pieces of pure mathematics, this one does not yet have any real applications. G.H. Hardy's apology is food for thought about this, though I don't really agree with him. Lots of things that seem really pure and inapplicable in one decade turn out to have quite a lot of practical application in later decades. The wiki page about Hardy's Apology has a nice example of this: the application of number theory to RSA cryptography. On still another hand, the fields in which the pentagram map is embedded, namely projective geometry and dynamical systems, each have an enormous number of practical applications.

2. I agree that the number of authors working on this particular object is quite small. Currently about 6 have written papers and maybe another 5-10 are interested in it. What made me write about it now is that the topic seems to be heating up. It seems possible to me that a maybe twice that number of people or more might be interested in the thing in 1-2 years. You might call it something like an emerging topic, though it is hardly a large topic in mathematics. I certainly wouldn't want outside readers to be mislead about the importance of the subject, and I would be happy to add some kind of statement to the effect that this isn't such a big deal in the scheme of mathematics. To tell the truth, my colleagues and I just wanted to have an accurate little article about the thing that would help interested people get the basic facts quickly. (Even as a supposed expert, I usually use wikipedia to look math stuff up these days!) I wonder if perhaps I should migrate the article to scholarpedia, and just have something more abbreviated on wikipedia.

3. Towards the end of the article, I did cite several references that have to do with computer vision. This is where projective geometry, though not the pentagram map itself, has a huge impact. The pentagram map is the kind of operation that could have application possibly in computer vision, but currently does not. In any case, I'll give some thought to how I might tie it in better with the rest of wikipedia.

4. There was one more thing I wanted to add. Your comments bring up an interesting point, which I'm sure lots of wiki folks have pondered. Wikipedia seems to be becoming a really great reference for technical subjects like mathematics -- kind of a universal textbook. I don't think I would have bothered looking up math stuff on wikipedia even 5 years ago, but now (as I said above) I do it all the time. As more mathematicians turn to it, you might see an increase in articles on fairly obscure technical topics like the pentagram map. As the more esoteric branches of knowledge are written about on wikipedia, I wonder if the notion of "obscurity" will change.

RichardEvanSchwartz (talk) 22:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your very interesting and informative answer. That might be food for thought on expanding parts of the article.  I think that your article is a vast improvement over the past iteration.  It is really wonderful to engage a scholar of your reputation to add to Wikipedia.  This was a tangible contribution, the qualitative shift deserves recognition.
 * I've been adding links to your references in the hope that this could be a hub for those who wanted to really learn something about the subject.
 * I've worn out my worth here, so you are on your own. Best regards and happy editing.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 02:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Pentagram map in see also
Hi, I've raised the issue of your adding links to pentagram map to the See also section of so many high importance mathematics articles at WT:WPM. It seems like enormously undue weight to a notion that is of fairly minimal importance in mathematics. Sławomir Biały (talk) 13:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You might be right about undue weight. I'll leave it to the mathemeticians to decide how to best publicize a seminal transformation of this article by a noted expert in the field.  I replied on the link.  Happy editing.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Slawomir and 7&6=thirteen, I completely agree with Slawomir that there shouldn't be too many links from important math articles to the pentagram map. I think that the pentagram map is a beautiful but minor part of mathematics. On the other hand, 7&6=thirteen, I certainly appreciate your efforts to tie the article more fully into wikipedia. Also, once I learn how to archive my talk pages, I will keep all this discussion for the record. RichardEvanSchwartz (talk) 15:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The discussion at Wikiproject Mathematics
Hi, regarding the discussion about links to Pentagram map: you have used the phrase "Respectfully, I would suggest that we all wait for a consensus to form", yet you have posted as much as everyone else put together. Please try to stay calm and allow a consensus to form! Note that I did not accuse you of spam. I quoted the relevant part of the page WP:SPAM (since others had raised the subject already) and commented that it's not clear-cut in this case. I am indeed doing my best to assume good faith here--that's why I took the trouble to look at a few more of your edits and mention that some of them seem justified. Can you too please try to assume good faith? Jowa fan (talk) 00:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Jowa fan, Thank you for your note. I will wait per your suggestion. Indeed, I will not participate further as I have said all I have to say. All I was asking for was a case-by-case consideration of the edits. As mathematics are not a matter of general interest to me, I stand by my declaration that the experts should rule. Obviously, I was wrong on some of the edits (or so it now appears). But I may have been right on others. Of course, even 'a stopped analog clock is right twice a day'. I appreciate your deciding that some of them might be justified. I was working from the connections in the article (and from some of the material in the references themselves (which did mention some concepts that were not in the Wikipedia article). I am very sensitive to the implicit accusation that I was "spamming." It is a word that is 'akin to fightin' words', and I would not use it cavalierly.  I will assume that we have just had a failure to communicate, will WP:AGF, and chaulk this up to a misunderstanding.  If I gave offense, you may also assume that it was unintentional. I am going out of town so I have no intention of writing further on the matter on way or another.  Happy editing.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 00:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your courteous reply. On the subject of "spamming", it was not my intention to make an accusation&mdash;someone else had already used the word, and so I thought it deserved closer examination&mdash;but I see how my comment could have been misinterpreted.  Please accept my apology.  Richard Schwartz has just made some very useful comments over at Wikiproject Mathematics, so it looks as though this will soon be resolved in a satisfactory way.  Enjoy your trip out of town! Jowa fan (talk) 01:39, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Barber's pole
You undid my insertion of a fact.I've read this before, so if you are to delete it then disprove that what I wrote wasn't a fact

American Akita / Akita Inu Merge
Hi Thirteen, I was wondering you you still opposed the merger of American Akita and Akita Inu? Have you had a look at the sample I proposed as a merger? Everything is at a stale mate at the moment because I cannot close the discussion myself due to your strong opposition (which you are free to keep). I'm waiting on an Admin to make the final discussion close..but it's taking al long time, it was suggested to me on my talk page that I come and ask if you view has change at all after looking at my proposed article for the merge. Cheers, Keetanii (talk) 03:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC) P.S. Haven't seen you around on the Akita pages lately, been missing your contributions :) Keetanii (talk) 03:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I am also working on
Judges who died while judging and there has to be a People who died while having sex too. Perhaps on those snowy, cold January, February nights...... Carptrash (talk) 15:37, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * FYI,there are at least three conductors listed in that article who 'died in the saddle' and aren't in the category presently. A very good friend of mine, arbitrator Jay Murphy (a retired law professor from the University of Alabama) used to show up at National Academy of Arbitrators meetings and would often be seen wearing his running shoes and shorts.  He was still very active physically, and was running long distances regularly.  Mentally sharp as a tack.  One day he had a hearing at MARTA, said, "I'm tired", put his head down and . . . they had to get a new arbitrator.  He is my hero, and when I go that would be a great way to do it.  As you know, one Supreme Court justice died while on the bench.  Can't remember his name of the top of my head.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 15:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I was recently in the New Mexico Supreme Court building, looking at bas reliefs of former Chiefs and learned about one who died either in court or while giving a lecture to some students. I wonder how many R&R musicians have died on stage? Anyway, it was one relief that led to my article on Bruce Saville, but I have not added that work yet. And my real job today is vacuuming and doing the dishes etc for the BIG MEETING here tomorrow. Ah well, 24 hours a day and that's it. Hmmm I wonder what a list of Folks who died while doing housework would look like? Carptrash (talk) 15:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Read this carefully ] and then I will let you sort it out.  I'll try for the stubs on the two sculptors. (after the dishes). Carptrash (talk)

Talkback
... disco spinster   talk  18:38, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Rabbits in the arts
Hello, I've userfied this to User:7&6=thirteen/Rabbits in the arts while you work on it. Thanks, Gurt Posh (talk) 17:04, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Nein
Nein, mein führer. Carptrash (talk) 23:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ich bin ein Berliner is not 'I am a jelly donut.' True or false?   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 23:24, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * False. It means "I wear eyeliner." Carptrash (talk) 19:16, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Your answer has derailed my thread. If you said "true" I was going to say that you have demonstrated your competence to do the new article by getting to WP:truth and also reading the one I linked to.  If you said "false" I was going to say that you have demonstrated your competence to do the new article because we are not concerned with WP:truth, and that you had a good grasp of WP:verifiable, as you had joined Allistar Cooke etc. in spreading the lie.  As it was, your humor totally disarmed my thought process.  Please take a look at Sherman Minton, as it will be an FA in two days, and there is some sculpture stuff.  Thanks and happy editing.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 20:50, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

So here is
a bit of a problem in Bill Smith (Fell runner). But first, I am on the road, have been for a while. But when I received your message I went to the article and discovered the phrase stating that Smith was ""a connoisseur of Cajun or gypsy music." I thought that this was unlikely, that probably "or" should be "and".  Now I get back to it and discovered that someone has made this change.  Here is the problem.  That phrase is a quote and when I check the original source I discover the word "or."  We now have a quote in which some editor has changed the language inside a quote, and this is, as we say in my home, bad feng shui.  I think that the "and" should be retained and the quotation marks removed, and the citation also retained, but that is not so much my call.  Tomorrow I get home and into a whole new set of issues, but at least I will be at home and not in Arizona and Mexico.  einar aka Carptrash (talk) 03:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I added this ". . . [and]" dropped the "or" and made a note in the history as to what I was doing. Thanks.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 04:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Need a closing bracket
Your recent post at Template talk:DYK is missing a pair of braces to close the template. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:10, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

My Signature Guestbook
Thanks for signing! Pinkstrawberry02 ™ talk  16:02, 16 October 2011 (UTC) Please reply to this message on Pinkstrawberry02's talk page. Thank you.

Re: My signature
No, it's fine! It is a great and crafty one. Thanks again for signing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinkstrawberry02 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Response
Please see my response to you query at Talk:List of American Civil War generals. --IcarusPhoenix (talk) 05:21, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Question
Hi,

I'm curious to know why you put this template User page in my user page?

Pierre cb (talk) 12:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answer. Since I did not have previous problem with unwanted edit of my user page, I will think about let it there or not. Pierre cb (talk) 12:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Saw your post at DYK...
Here's your original Bill Smith (fell runner) DYK nomination from October 8th: October 8th DYK Nom for Bill Smith. Shearonink (talk) 19:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

The Nom is still there in the October 8th section between "List of Rugby World red cards, Huw Richards" and "Palacio de las Dueñas". It never got reviewed. Shearonink (talk) 19:33, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that the 5-Day window for DYK has passed though?... Shearonink (talk) 19:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I reviewed your DYK? Nom here. Good luck, Shearonink (talk) 20:11, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance
Hello! This is a note to let the main editors of this article know that it will be appearing as the main page featured article on September 16, 2011. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/September 16, 2011. If you think it is necessary to change the main date, you can request it with the featured article directors or his delegate, or at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions of the suggested formatting. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :D Thanks! Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  01:59, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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Sherman Minton (1890–1965) was a Democratic United States Senator from Indiana and an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. He served as a captain in World War I, then launched a legal and political career. In 1934, Minton won election to the United States Senate. As part of the New Deal Coalition, he championed President Franklin D. Roosevelt's unsuccessful court packing plans in the Senate and became one of his top Senate allies. After Minton failed in his 1940 Senate re-election bid, Roosevelt appointed him as a judge to the United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. After Roosevelt's death, President Harry Truman, who had developed a close friendship with Minton during their time together in the Senate, nominated him to the Supreme Court, where he served for seven years. An advocate of judicial restraint, Minton was a regular supporter of the majority opinions during his early years on the Court; he became a regular dissenter after President Dwight Eisenhower's appointees altered the Bench's composition. In 1956, poor health forced Minton's retirement, after which he traveled and lectured until his death in 1965. (more...)

Eppa Rixey
Thanks for the compliment, I'm going to try to work on it to featured standards, but I only been avaliable in the late night hours and on weekdays. I could use your help in making the article featured, right now I'm trying to work on the Reggie Jackson article. Thanks Secret account 07:46, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * FA is real hard to do. But we've got a good start.  As I know his family (Eppa IV), maybe I could even get a copy of a unique picture and we could upload it to Commons.  Stay in toiuch.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 14:36, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Sherman Minton
Hi. I haven't reverted or rewritten as yet, and I don't have the books that are cited in front of me ... but I'm afraid the material you just restored in the Minton article doesn't make sense chronologically. I believe that Minton was appointed, along with Tom Clark, by President Truman in 1949; they replaced Justice Rutledge and Justice Murphy, both of whom had died that year. In that light, I don't see how Minton could have found himself more in the minority after Justice Murphy died, since that had already happened when Minton joined the Court; nor was Murphy's successor appointed by Truman. I'd appreciate your thoughts. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I've returned most of my reference material to the library long ago. If memory serves me though, Minton took Rutledge's seat when Rutledge died. (Rutledge and Minton were both generally constructionists) Murphy died about the same time and was replaced by Clark. (Clark tended to support the activist wing, while Murphy tended to support the side constructionist side). Vinson was replaced by Warren next, which moved a second seat to the activist bloc, giving them the majority, and putting Minton in the minority. So from 1949-1953 Minton was largely in the majority. And from 1953-1957 was largely in the minority. (Minton in turn was replaced by Brennan who was also activist, giving them a larger majority). So court certainly made its shift during Minton's tenure, which should be the point in the article. I think that might be a little confused within the article. Either way, need to look up the sources first to fix it, to be sure. :) &mdash;Charles Edward (Talk 12:32, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see the thread on my talkpage for the latest on this. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:23, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Fell runner
LOL and thanks. I've encountered fell runners. Fell-walking is a big enough adventure for me! --Orlady (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bill Smith (fell runner)
Materialscientist (talk) 00:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I missed this one getting made. Good work! Fell running is one of those peculiar minor sports that gets to the heart of a certain type of Britishness.
 * For future reference, it might be easier to start putting draft articles off-line in a notepad file. Quite a few articles I've written have built up over a couple of days on my computer, then I've put them up on the site (it can make it easier than doing 400 separate edits)! Take care. SFB 10:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Working on Wikipedia can get a bit thorny sometimes. I think one reason is that it's very easy to come across as rude when the only form of communication is raw text with a distant stranger. Another is that people are often hyper-sensitive to plagiarism, which is somewhat understandable when hundreds of people dump copied material in articles every day.
 * My best advice is to read the sources, take it all in, then write out what you can remember. Phrases you have read recently can subliminally jump into your own writing – its actually an indicator of how we learn things through language, rather than an indicator that we are all active plagiarists.
 * It's best not to let altercations bring you down – if we weren't having fun on some level, then we wouldn't be here. You're right these kind of discussions push editors away. It's also the reason why women are a rare breed here (few tend to thrive in environments where there is little praise or camaraderie). I find it's best to stick to doing the things you actually enjoy (like writing about Brazilian bin men) and leave the stress-inducing stuff to the more masochistic among us! SFB 13:40, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

archiving & indexing
I've got your archiving & indexing setup for you now. I would expect both bots to hit within 24 hours...probably sooner. The index will be blank until then.

Are you really on a wikibreak or just forgot to take down the notice? <font face="High Tower Text" size="1px"><b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b> 01:53, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Eh?
Sorry, what was your message about? <font face="Freestyle Script" color="blue">KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 22:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * That funny. I was sending you a Barnstar just as you were sending me a message.--Doug Coldwell talk 23:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I choose to believe you. I choose also to believe that dogs have souls, and that I will be reunited with my dogs in the afterlife.   Thank you.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 23:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Article development
Here and here is where I gave Cardiffchestnut some tidbits recently on article development and DYK development. Most of this you know already, but there may be something you can pick up on.--Doug Coldwell talk 11:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Article development
The development of the Otium article is an application of the Law of Attraction.--Doug Coldwell talk 13:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC) Awesome, what number DYK is this for you? The Cardiff Chestnut (talk) 12:58, 5 November 2011 (UTC) I think 210, if I add one or two to my list I last forgot. I forgot to add my last DYK of Mutiny at Sucro. I'll have to do that after Otium becomes a DYK, to make a total of 210.--Doug Coldwell talk 13:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC) Rad. I'm working on a new article now, but I doubt it'll be my first DYK. The Cardiff Chestnut (talk) 21:26, 5 November 2011 (UTC) This is where the Law of Attraction comes into play. Think positively, like the new article you have will be your first DYK. Thinking this way sets up positive "vibrations" and events occur in such a manner that the new article becomes a Did You Know. Do you think that each time I wrote up an article I had the attitude that it probably would not become a DYK. No - I thought it will become a DYK and practically every time it did become a Did You Know. Change your attitude - think positively and constructively. Whatever your mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve (Napoleon Hill). Be optimistic. All it takes is 1500 characters - a small article. Make sure its well referenced and you have a good "catchy" hook line. Also make sure the hook line has an excellent inline reference. I go out of my way to make sure they find this and even go to the point of placing the exact words right into that particular inline reference, word for word, with its exact location (usually Google Books) so they can easily find it. Its very important that they find the reference that covers your hook line. If possible, give an ALT1 and ALT2, then this way the chances of it becoming a DYK is very good. I would work the draft offline first as all you have is 5 days to develop the article - offline has no limit. Nice little hint.--Doug Coldwell talk 23:27, 5 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the tips. Right now I'm mostly expanding existing articles, but maybe on of the entries I have planned will have something of a hook. The Cardiff Chestnut (talk) 14:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC) Your welcome. Let me reword your reply a bit to show optimism: One of the entries I have planned will have something of a hook. - see, positive. Hint: Take a stab at it and submit a hook no matter what! I have found if you make an "attempt", there are experts at DYK that will come across your "attempt" and fix it for you or give you an alternative. Happens to me all the time. I would say that I have somehow managed to get a hook line using this method 99 and 44/100's per cent of the time. I have never not had a DYK not go through, if I made an "attempt". In other words: the odds are in your favor.--Doug Coldwell talk 22:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC) Hint: Make sure your new article links from at least 3 other articles.--Doug Coldwell talk 13:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC) Another Hint: If you want to get many people viewing your article - make sure it becomes a DYK. Here are some articles I created that received some large numbers on the day they became a Did You Know Pelican Pete Spragg Bag Nonsuch House Conclusion of the American Civil War (Good Article) Cone Sisters Jayco The Whole Shebang Motocycle Gottfried Schloemer Benson raft

Benson raft

Hint to get high numbers on your views: Make sure that your article is the first in the queue and your picture that mainly represents the article is shown in that day's DYK when the administrator lines up the queue. Most of the time when I just asked for this and had a very interesting picture (like Benson raft picture) they would accommodate me.--Doug Coldwell talk 23:20, 15 November 2011 (UTC) If you get some exceptionally high numbers, then they list you in the Hall of Fame stats as they did for my article on the plague doctor and related articles for the 2010 Holloween DYK hook line.--Doug Coldwell talk 13:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC) Where it gets a little challenging is to have 2, 3, 4, 5, 9, or 16 articles in the same hook line (articles 87-133). You start pulling hair right out of your head. I have only a few hairs left.--Doug Coldwell talk 23:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC) Since you're now canvassing the corners of ancient philosophical movements for your otium article, your last comment compels me to recommend that you read this. The Cardiff Chestnut (talk) 00:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC) Cute.--Doug Coldwell talk 12:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC) The above ideas come from what I see as the Law of Life. A sub-category is the Law of Attraction. Another is common sense. And still another is reasoning and another is logic (excuse the psychology).--Doug Coldwell talk 11:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC) [edit]Couple more ideas If you get stumped on being able to develop out an artice, seek the services of Ask A Librarian. One in particular that gives some excellent answers on queries is Internet Public Library. I found that the Library of Congress also has such a service and they also come up with excellent answers. Put in Google: "Ask a Librarian" for URLs. Don't forget when writing up an article make sure you have at least 3 categories for it. You can get an idea for categories from similar articles. Good luck on your new articles, that will of course be DYKs.--Doug Coldwell talk 13:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks a bunch for the tips, Doug. Hopefully I'll actually finish an article sometime soon. The Cardiff Chestnut (talk) 15:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC) FYI, you can see the activity and "hits" of your article under "History" and then "Page view statistics". Otium is receiving about 300 "hits" per day and I suspect will jump 10 times that on the day of the DYK (about a week from now).--Doug Coldwell talk 18:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC) Tidbits: You probably already know that "What links here" shows what articles link to your article. You should have at least 3, as less than that they consider an "orphan" article and it could be deleted. Only real articles count, not Talk pages, etc. See Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 85, Papyrus 50, and Otium. Add a picture (or group of pictures) to an article, as that enhances it quite a bit. For examples see these articles I created: Michigan logging wheels Westinghouse Time Capsules The Teenie Weenies Nebraska House Lithophane Burr Caswell Sachet (scented bag) Blue Ridge Parkway tunnels Factorum ac dictorum memorabilium libri IX Georgia Cayvan Keedoozle Bellifortis Cone Mills Corporation Pickle Barrel House Columbus Letter on the First Voyage Thaddeus Fairbanks Whitcomb L. Judson Walter Scott Lenox Car cooler Flash-lamp Giovanni Caselli English words first attested in Chaucer The Whole Shebang: A State-of-the-Universe(s) Report Warren Antoine Cartier Antoine Ephrem Cartier Star Watch Case Company SweeTango (apple) Century tower clocks Good Luck on your new articles.--Doug Coldwell talk 14:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the tips and links, Doug. Amadscientist listed Otium as the Classics Project's current collaboration, so it should probably start getting more views from Latinists. — the cardiff chestnut | talk — 17:28, 11 November 2011 (UTC) Great! This would be the Law of Attraction in action.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:04, 11 November 2011 (UTC) Another little tidbit: IF you happen to expand an article and you want it to become a DYK, it must be 5 times larger within 5 days from when you started increasing its size to be able to qualify. Use this tool to measure before and after character count. This is a good tool also to count hook line characters, as that must be under 200 (with multiple article hooks an exception).--Doug Coldwell talk 15:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC) Thanks, Doug. Good to know. — the cardiff chestnut | talk — 22:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC) [edit]Tidbits for a DYK Usually doing items in 3s gives you a real good chance of getting a DYK. Looking at my latest article of Red Cross stove you will notice that it has 3000 characters. Only 1500 is needed, however IF someone objects to a sentence or even a paragraph and you have to remove, you STILL have plenty to qualify for a DYK. There are 3 other articles that link to this article (See "What links here" on left panel). This way it is NOT classified as an orphaned article. It has 3 Categories - then it has plenty without any objections. It has 3 reference sources - which is good for a starter article. These items are good to know because when you do DYKs you will get the first 5 "free", then you will have to review others' DYKs before yours is approved. You have to be pretty familiar with the qualifications of DYKs to be able to approve another's DYK. Hope to see a list of your DYKs soon.--Doug Coldwell talk 21:01, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

disambiguate
Do you think "For other uses, see Otium (disambiguate)" is necessary now, since there are no other articles that relate to Otium. After there are other articles that have Otium in the name, THEN I can see that it would be necessary. Now it leads to confussion I believe.--Doug Coldwell talk 23:18, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is possible to list the other uses without links, and I guess without references — I know they don't like that stuff in Disambiguation pages generally. Or we could create the articles.  I suppose we should at least create the disambiguation page, or get rid of it entirely.  I don't have a big preference one way or another.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 02:01, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Another editor questioned this also, so I just removed it for now. When we have similar articles we can add it back. Then it will be a blue link (not a redlink).--Doug Coldwell talk 14:41, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Three hares
The script I use is by Ohconfucius, and it's wicked good. Add this line to User:7&6=thirteen/monobook.js (or vector.js, depending on your current skins setup).


 * importScript("User:Ohconfucius/test/MOSNUM dates.js");

Then bypass your browser's cache.

To fire it up, go to your toolbox and click "Body dates to dmy"   <font color="#C30">Chris <font color="#060">the speller  <font color="#900">yack  22:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I thought you were more familiar with installing scripts. Open your preferences, then click the "Appearance" tab. It will show you what skin you are using, and will also point to the Custom JavaScript file for that skin. You once created a monobook.js file, but the default skin may have changed to "Vector" since then. <font color="#C30">Chris <font color="#060">the speller  <font color="#900">yack  22:30, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, it's good to run into another fan of Red Green. <font color="#C30">Chris <font color="#060">the speller <font color="#900">yack  01:18, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Bruce Catton
I noticed you have Catton in the list of notable persons of Northern Michigan. I created the article A Stillness at Appomattox written by him. It won the 1954 Pulitzer Prize in history.--Doug Coldwell talk 15:50, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

thanks for the edit - Yule Marble
Hello and thanks for the edit of Yule marble.... All good changes. Any aspect of the subject that needs inclusion? OneHistoryGuy (talk) 00:17, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So now we need to discover what buildings in Detroit use Yule marble. The lobby of the Penobscot Building? the Buhl Building?  Something with Parducci would be nice.  Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't remember either of those places having anything that white. Because it was so expensive, those, the Fisher Building, Guardian Building, old General Motors headquarters/Cadillac Place and Horace H. Rackham Educational Memorial Building (which apparently does not have its own article) are the only likely ones that come to mind in downtown.  I haven't been in the Fisher in years.  But I don't think bright white was part of their palette.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Horace H. Rackham Education Memorial Building has Marshall Fredericks sculptures hidden on the outside. But it's Georgia marble.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 21:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I made a new section with a table showing the locations that I know of with Yule marble. There are more I have no doubt.  OneHistoryGuy (talk) 04:08, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Some really great finds as to buildings with Yule marble. I never found the Field Build, in Chicago when I was looking earlier this year for a display I made for the museum showing where in America Yule marble was used.  I do have some photos that we have not linked to but I do not have license to place them in Commons and they are not on a website of the source.  OneHistoryGuy (talk) 05:43, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations
for your most timely and insightful editing at Alan Fisher (architect), with which you saved both the article and my already too shaky reputation. For that you have earned the seldom coveted Thumbs Up Award. Wear it with pride, or if you do throw it away, please recycle. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 06:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Reversion
Please do not repeat this reversion. Text which states what its alleged sources do not say is not verifiable, no matter how many footnotes it has. (And much of that text repeats matter elsewhere in the article, phrased more accurately and more clearly.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:10, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Otium
I've recently made the article more concise. Does it need more "fine tuning"? Good Article possibility?--Doug Coldwell talk 17:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The reason for the reference tag in the first place was a misunderstanding of a young editor - User talk:ItsZippy.--Doug Coldwell talk 21:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure. I do think that the tweaks helped (not much, but it looks like we know what we're doing).  If we got this aricle up to GA standards, every little bit helps.  WP:incrementalism.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 21:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The tweaks helped a lot! Thanks for improving the article as much as you have. I do believe we are on our way to a GA.--Doug Coldwell talk 21:09, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * User:ItsZippy main page starts with: Hi, I'm ItsZippy. I'm 17 and from the United Kingdom, and I love Jesus. So, not only is he young in age, but young in experience as a Wikipedia editor.--Doug Coldwell talk 22:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Does footnote "d" look O.K. to you? Its a quote from Colish pp. 77-78.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Robert Trent Jones
Our reverts crossed in the mail. Sorry. I also reported them to WP:AIV. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 19:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No need to be sorry, it can happen and i rather wander into another vandalism patrol then into a vandal. :) Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 20:03, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Otium
Gatoclass (talk) 05:28, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

And the "hits" keep coming

 * The Red Cross stove article received 5,000 views on the day of the DYK (December 3, 2011).
 * Otium received 1,900 views on the day of the DYK (December 2, 2011).
 * Shows you how important it is to get a picture with your DYK and to be #1 in the queue. I had to remove all the pictures on Otium before I could get the DYK.--Doug Coldwell talk 11:51, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Great Lakes
Yes, Mississauga is the third largest city on the Great Lakes. Detroit has 713,777, Buffalo has 261,310, and Mississauga has 738,000. Check the city page if you do not believe me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Waldenbg (talk • contribs) 23:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I.O.O.F.
I'd probably count as "odd", but only because I haven't yet got even... Easy to get the adjective wrong; I only know it from the number of times I've tried to Wikilink the name, and come up with a redlink for "International...". Happily, no one's created a redirect from the wrong I-word. Ammodramus (talk) 23:57, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I have been a bit lost with the article as to the formatting, references, notes etc. I had not checked the article discussion in about a week for I thought when I accessed the article a message would display if something was added.  Have you completed your editing?  Is there something else I need to do? OneHistoryGuy (talk) 07:25, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

The Tridge
I'm curious why you added The Tridge to the "see also" section of Saginaw River, since the Tridge doesn't actually span this river.--Asher196 (talk) 05:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Is the closing of The Tridge in November 2011 temporary, or permanent? If the former, has a reopening date been set yet? Thank you for your work on this article, I didn't know there was a Y-bridge in Michigan. Bigturtle (talk) 23:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There is a list of Y-bridges on Wikipedia, but no article that I know of. If you do one, it would be interesting to distinguish between (a) Y-bridges located at river confluences, and (b) Y-bridges located in other locations (if any).  The Y-bridge-at-a-confluence model, found in Zanesville, Midland, etc., speaks to the willingness of early Euro-American pioneers to select river mouths and places-where-small-rivers-come-together as campsites and, eventually, platted townsites. Bigturtle (talk) 16:14, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Magazine The Tridge appears to have gone out of business as of December 2011. The magazine's website is no longer active, and it appears to have no presence on the Web. Bigturtle (talk) 05:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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Oliver Hazard Perry...
Hi! Just a reminder that the Good Article Nomination for Oliver Hazard Perry is still open; it's been open for a couple of weeks now, so let me know if you need an extension on it, or if I can close it for the time being. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:29, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

William Hamlin
The lastest article I created is William Hamlin, Rhode Island's first engraver. You have related e-mail.--Doug Coldwell talk 20:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

This looks interesting. Perhaps in a week or so it will be an official DYK.--Doug Coldwell talk 15:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Yule Marble
I'm sure you didn't intend it that way; but if you'll re-read your comment regarding my recent edit at Yule Marble, I think you'll agree that it comes across as somewhat snappish. I'll attribute it to your having a bad day, or just to an unfortunate choice of words that you didn't spot until you'd hit the "Save" button. However, will urge you to proceed cautiously on other talk pages if you're feeling a bit put-upon or generally short-fused today.

Will respond to the comment itself at the article's talk page; however, wanted to communicate this to you as privately as possible. By all means, delete this once you've read it; I'm certainly not trying to embarrass you or to publicly accuse you of wanting courtesy to your fellow editors. Ammodramus (talk) 00:44, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I replied at the article. No offense was intended. I want a well referenced article, and hope we can do this through consensus and joint work. However, I already put in the sources (and the omnibus sources which precede the list of buildings) and frankly, I don't see the confusion or the ambiguity. However, if you feel strongly about this, please implement the "Greeley" solution, while leaving the sources in place somewhere in the article. Please see the talk page.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 01:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note re. upper-alpha citations. I saw how you did it at the citation itself; what I was trying to do was make upper-alpha characters appear in the list at the bottom of the page as well.  If you'll check the earlier versions of the article, the inline superscripts were upper-alpha, but they corresponded to numbers in the list at the bottom (A led to 1, B led to 2, etc.)  It took a little looking, but I eventually found the solution at WP:REFGROUP: in the references section, you have to use  ; if you use  for doing nested references. That way you aren't repeated the full citation inside the explanatory footnote.
 * I also fixed some links to disambiguation pages. I removed the link completely to mariposa because there isn't a link on that page that applies to what the article is talking about. I linked to the specific huarache as well.
 * Some suggestions for the future, if you will. It looks bad to have more than two footnotes at the end of a sentence. For stuff that's not really controversial (like his directorship of the CCUM) you only need one footnote. In that CCUM case, I'd drop the CCUM homepage as unnecessary, and pick one of the two news sources instead. If you do need more than one footnote at the end of a sentence though, please try to put them in numerical order: [1][7][20][22] instead of [7][1][20][22].
 * If you have multiple footnotes to news articles that are essentially duplicating each other in terms of content (each reporter might word things differently, but report the exact same details), then you can combine some of that duplication by using only one of the articles instead of all of them. More footnotes aren't necessarily better; too many footnotes make the article itself kinda tedious to read.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * One other suggestion: pre-emptively archive online news sources. I use http://www.webcitation.org/archive.php to generate archives of news items. If you apply  at the end of the citation template, the template will link the title to the original online source and list the archive link afterwards. Then if/when the link goes dead in the future, you just removed that deadurl parameter and the template switches to link to the archive as the title and put the original link later. Most online news articles will go dead when the publisher moves them behind a paywall or simply deletes the article from their website. The only caveat is that video is not archived, and I'm concerned by the number of online videos you've used.  Imzadi 1979   →   18:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am confused about the archiving. Please put one into the article so that I can emulate it. Thanks for all your help. FYI, I also listed yon on the DYK. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:33, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your edits and review on Humboldt Bay Life-Saving Station, much appreciated !! I replied to your comment at Template:Did you know nominations/Humboldt Bay Life-Saving Station. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Eppa Rixey
Sorry, but nesting footnotes still elude me. Please tweak. Thanks. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:11, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's the simple primer on how to next a footnote.
 * Under the edit window there is that section that has as drop-down menu to different groups of code or symbols. Under "Wiki markup", there is . Wherever you want to insert a nested footnote, insert the cursor in the edit box and click that link or copy/paste that text.
 * This special tag is kind of like a template. After the first pipe character, insert the content of your footnote, including the reference. It should looksomething like this now:
 * For the group, change that to upper-alpha, lower-alpha, etc without quotation marks if that's what you're using in the article. Now you should have something like this:
 * For the name, you can have this footnote named like any other reference/footnote, so something like:.
 * If you want to repeat the explanatory footnote (I've done this with multi-state highway articles for a note that explains that the length is the sum of the individual state lengths and that mileposts reset at the state lines), you can just use:, matching the group and name to the original footnote.
 * I hope that helps.  Imzadi 1979  →   13:23, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Notification
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A kitten for you!
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Rabbits in the arts; Rabbits in the arts, German Wikipedia
Dr. Blofeld, The German Wikipedia has a nice article on this subject. I posted a long time ago asking for volunteers to interpret the article. It would be a good addition. I hesitate to ask you, although you seem to have the requisite proficiency. Any suggestions? <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:11, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Gerda Arendt, User:Bermicourt are fluent German speakers but also very busy. I'm not I'm afraid. I use google translate and then request proof reading! Perhaps you could have a go at translating from de wiki using google translate and then ask one of them to check it for you?♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:14, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Good suggestions. I speak no German, but I could offer use the robot translation (then take an uninformed stab an interpretation), and then ask for correction. Thank you. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:44, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Beatles infobox
There is a Straw Poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 02:20, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Mildred Lewis Rutherford
Millie's been promoted to GA. :) Lady  of  Shalott  13:48, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

4 million articles
We're getting real close to a natural benchmark. Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. 3,997,655 articles in English. How cool is that! <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
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Merge discussion for Mishipeshu
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Pierce Butler (justice)‎
Hi Stan, I've noticed that you are working hard on the Pierce Butler article and wanted to let you know that there are several photos at Commons in case that helps. Cheers, — Berean Hunter   (talk)  22:18, 24 July 2012 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  00:27, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Berean, Thanks. Any preference as to the other pictures? I didn't really do much with it. A few citations and ideas. Tidied up. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 23:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe, you've got about 40+ edits on that article today if that is not doing much with it. I don't have any particular preference but just wanted to inform you in case you didn't already know. I was going to check Library of Congress for photos but I checked Commons and saw plenty.

thanks
Thank you for your careful construction of a South Carolina entry for 270 King Street, Charleston, South Carolina, within List of Masonic buildings in the United States back in January. I just got around to restoring and expanding it. I considered developing separate articles for other South Carolina masonic buildings but ended up agreeing with your implicit judgment about that one being most notable in the state. So i just added back yours, bolstered with 5 or so references, mostly from the architect Devereux article. Thanks for your contribution. -- do ncr  am  17:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate
your cleaning up the recent vandalism at my user page. It is, I believe, the first time that this has happened ant it's comforting to know that there are folks such as yourself around to help out. Life is good. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I also posted warnings on the vandal's talk page, complained to WP:AIV, and after (s)he persisted (s)he was blocked. His/her choice of weapons involved substantial effort and projection and shows some deep-seated sexual-identity issues. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 11:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked at what was posted at my page and also what was posted elsewhere and yes, a definite theme/pattern emerged. I looked at "my" stuff and thought, "Do I want to keep any of this? Some of it describes me." but pretty quickly realized that you'd got it right, toss it all out. I do sometimes enjoy going to user pages where the editor has chosen a couple of dozen of those things (I'm sure that there is a term for them) and reading over them and thinking, 'Yes, I'd like this person." or "No, I don't think so."  but decided not to do it.  I noticed that the editor was blocked and thanks for your part in that.  Carptrash (talk) 14:47, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * PS. I occasionally dabble in articles such as Men's rights and a few others of that ilk.  I suspect that's where this vandal hooked on to me.  It is not likely that my efforts, for example, to clean up Jenny Eakin Delony would elicit this sort of response.  Carptrash (talk) 14:53, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a wikipedia sociopath. Trying to rationally analyze irrational acts is the road to madness. It could have been any of us for any reason, or none. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 15:01, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Owney (dog)
I had the chance to look at the Owney article, and made some changes. I imagine this article, with your improvements, will be much better viewed than most and may average at the 100-views-a-day mark for some time. A few readers may be troubled by a reference in one of your sources to a post office in "Hardacre, Minnesota." A quick search on a well-known search engine does not indicate that a substantial history exists for any town or settlement of that name. There is probably no good solution to this dilemma, as "Hardacre" is what the source says; it looks like a secondary-source misprint.

Should the article make a reference to the role of the New York-based St. Nicholas Magazine in developing Owney's image? I'll bet the pooch hopped the New York Central down the Hudson many times and his well-tagged collar repeatedly jingled in Manhattan, and his image would have gone nowhere with a leg (or paw) up from friends in the national media capital.

Does the USPS grant us the right to embed an image of the Forever Stamp honoring Owney? Bigturtle (talk) 22:47, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Big Turtle, for your help and observations. I think you are right on about adding more on the media coverage, and more detail on the world tour and is coverage. FWIW, we have a couple of days yet from the five days from the beginning of the big expansion, and I have added a lot of content (Although not yet enough for a WP:DYK. The 5X expansion is daunting.
 * I have some contacts at the USPS, and will see what I can do about getting permission to publish. It would be a great addition to the article, and would further their larger interests and goals, too. Putting aside, of course, the assassination. Rather like the old joke, when the reporter asked Mrs. Lincoln, 'Other than the shots, how was the play?' But I'll see what I can do. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 22:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Owney (dog)


 * We are right on the cusp of a DYK, but we would need to act NOW. Unfortunately, I can't complete that job becasue life has me booked up. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:43, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
.....for getting back to me and explaining the process. It is, however typical of what happens. I have had several disputes over precedence being given to US versions of particular breeds, which, as in the case of the Akita, may differ considerably from those bred in the country of origin. The US version is almost always "bigger" or "cuter" or more brightly coloured than that at the source of origin. Amandajm (talk) 03:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * One or two.... yes, I gathered that from the article, but if two breeds are going to be described, or even one breed with different show standards, then surely the breed as it is maintained in its country of origin needs to be acknowledged first? It just seems like courtesy, to me! Amandajm (talk) 00:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You and I agree. clearly, the root breed and the country of origin (where that is not in doubt) ought to have precedence. Besides, this is a world encyclopedia in the English language, and should not be proselytizing an American world view. IMHO. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

El Grande
Thanks! You might like to take a look at the talk page of El Grande. I'm afraid that having seen the debris and blown the whistle, I was shattered by what happened. That tree, standing as isolated as it was after the other tall trees had been logged, was the most spectacular living thing that I have ever seen in my life. The El Grande talk page says rather more than is in the article, but because I am the source, and didn't put it in writing at the time, I can't publish it. The lesson that I have learnt from that is always issue properly prepared lecture notes with name, date and copyright.

I must say that if that tree had been in the US, then it would have been identified much sooner, World Heritage listed and be a major tourist attraction.

Part of the experience was that we met a man on the road whose vehicle had broken down. We gave him a lift, and the poor bugger found himself sitting in the back seat with a six-year-old conservationist who asked him all the hard questions that the adults in the front seat were avoiding: "Just exactly what work do you do in the forest? Oh, you drive a bull-dozer? And what do you bull-doze? Trees?  Those big trees?  The eagles' homes?  And what do you do with the wombats when you bull-doze their burrows? You bait them before you bull-doze.  What are baits?"

If you Google earth the map of Tasmania, much of the south looks beautifully green. When you zoom you become aware that the greenness is tidy rows of plantation timber, mainly pinus radiata. Australian fauna doesn't survive in pinus radiata forests.

I could rave on about this interminably...... Amandajm (talk) 04:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, Doug. It's good to have a cake to frost. I could not do it without you. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 12:14, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll make the cupcakes and you can put the frosting on them. --Doug Coldwell talk 12:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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Archiving

 * User talk:7&6=thirteen/Archive 5

Trying to sort out a few things here. I think that the archiving bot doesn't like the div tags but maybe it will come around tomorrow and actually do the archiving now that I've moved it. You also have an index which wasn't showing properly and I've had to kluge it because something appears wrong with the template. The odd link presentation in your archive box is a side effect.

Are you able to create the above linked page with just any simple text like "hello"? ...or were you trying to copy over from your talk when doing it? — Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:09, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC) — Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:35, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Bizarre. I had no problem creating the page and it didn't trip on any blacklisted links. Usually with the message you got, there would be something that indicates what the blacklisted link is. See if you can edit that page now. You may not want to fully hand archive to see if we can get the bot working again.
 * I also note that you didn't trip the edit filter either...so no seeming violation.

Misza bots are just plain buggy since May when something went wrong at toolserver.org. I notice that May 25 was the last time it archived your page so the timeline matches. Without being able to get an answer from Misza13 you can archive manually or switch to ClueBot III. That's the only solution I can see for now. Brad (talk) 20:33, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Ditto :) ComputerJA (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)