User talk:7/Archive 1

Aaron Naughton
Hey, Would it be wise to read a page before requesting it for speedy deletion? Thanks.

Innocent until proven guilty, read it before reporting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AzzleMcFazzle (talk • contribs) 23:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello.  I read the article, and it doesn't do anything to assert notability for the main subject (Aaron Naughton) or for the other people mentioned in the article.   Please read the notability requirements for biographies.   If you are Aaron or are related to him you should also consider reading WP:AUTOBIO and WP:COI.   Also - to help other editors please make sure to sign your talk page comments.  Regards.  --    7  { talk to me }     23:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

bettyconfidential submission
I understand that you don't want gratuitous postings, but on the women's magazines, there are many listed with similiar descriptions, so where am I off base in how I wrote this as I want to do it right. JJShelby (talk) 00:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello, thanks for your note.  Here are the two main points that make this appear to me to be an advertisement:
 * It's totally unreferenced yet it makes very positive claims. Please check out WP:REF for citing references for these claims.
 * Comments like "one of the fastest growing", "of interest to any woman" and "unlike other online magazines" all sound like advertising posing an an encyclopedia article.
 * You may want to consider reading WP:YFA for tips on your first article.
 * Also, encyclopedia entries should always maintain a neutral point of view.
 * As mentioned on your talk page, you can add the hangon tag to the page if you plan to improve the article. If it does get deleted you can ask an admin to userfy it for you (details also on your talk page).
 * Good luck with the article. (May I ask one question, are you an employee of that website?)
 * Regards.    7  { talk to me }    01:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * One more quick point - if the article stays on Wikipedia (or if you re-create it later) then it should probably renamed to BettyConfiential.com - the disambiguation term "(magazine)" is not needed. Regards.     7  { talk to me }    01:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

bettyconfidential submission
Ok, I get the use of fastest growing etc.. I took it from the about us page. I am a fan of the site and doing research on women's magazines and saw many similiar ones listed. I will delete and practice first. JJShelby (talk) 01:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok - if you are willing to delete the page yourself you can do that by editing the page and replacing all content with this exact quote (including brackets):
 * Regards   7  { talk to me }    01:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Regards   7  { talk to me }    01:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Since you mentioned practicing - please check out "user subpages" - you can consider creating this article in your user page. After you feel like you have a good start on the article in your userpage you can submit it for other editors to comment/review at WP:AFC.   One last thing (sorry for all the homework), please be careful of taking information from an "about us" page or from some other copyrighted source.   Even if you paraphrase it can still be a copyright violation.  Best to say it in your own words and back it up with citations/references.   Thanks and good luck editing.      7  { talk to me }    01:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Sockpuppet investigations/Cunard for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. --DunkinDonutBoy (talk) 05:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank You.
Thank You for being kind with me, I thought I was ready but I know I need more practice now x —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aimeelo (talk • contribs) 23:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You are quite welcome. Good luck and happy editing.     7   talk   23:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Mark Howard Grammy Nominations and Awards????
hi could you please expain this to me....you are the only person i got a real response from.THANYOU!!!! i would like to know the grounds for conflict of interest. i am not Mark Howard. but i happen find it somewhat absurd that he has worked on some of the most acclaimed albums of the last 20 years and he doesnt have a wikipedia page. which is why i am so passionate about this. i have come up against lots of detours but continue to persevere as im really excited about wikipedia. could you please tell me why all the grammy awards and nominations were removed? they are all correct. what evidence do i need to show you? could you please return them? he is an engineer on most and gets a grammy ward of participation. please explain this to me. thankyou very much.--Charliedylan (talk) 05:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC) ps.. ok i now understand about editing my own page but i am just trying to get it all together and its taking awhile. and i didnt realse i couldnt add Marks name on other peoples wiki pages because its a conflict of interest! is that even when his name should be ther? i now understand and wont do that again. but please put the awards back up!!!!--Charliedylan (talk) 05:39, 14 May 2009 (UTC) [edit]Jan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliedylan (talk • contribs) 06:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I see you have posted the same question to OrangeMike, the admin who marked these things. He should reply shortly.  Regards.     7   talk   06:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

KYPS article
Sorry if I do not use this talk system the way intended by its creators (I am confused by it). Let me provide some answers.

> This article is tagged for notability (see WP:WEB), not for a problem with its references.

I read WP:WEB but I am still confused why notability is a problem - since your reply implies that the problems with the references you identified are not related to the establishment of notability. Can you please indicate what you would like to see for notability satisfaction?

> But since you mention references, please view WP:RS. None of these references are exactly reliable. One is a blog.

makeuseof.com is not a personal blog though - an edited one. (it has been used to establish notability of other wikipedia articles, too).

> The IEEE reference has no mention of this product in the abstract (and you need to be a member to read further).

That is a result of copyright restrictions (hint: googling the article will help finding the fulltext without requiring membership). I do understand, however, the lack of obvious connection.

> The heise link is a donation download site where anyone can list,

That's not true. The "donation download site" *is* the article subject website. Having that link on heise is a result of editorial action on the part of heise.

> World Symposium doesn't mention this product at all.

OK point taken that the connection should be established more clearly.

> Plus, it kind of seems like an advertisement pretending to be an encyclopedia entry.

I understand this to be a comment on 'writing style'. Correct?

Many thanks for your response.

Besensilver (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)besensilver


 * Besensilver - the summary of WP:WEB is: (my comments in bold)
 * Wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers,(<-- Your article does do this) but should describe the site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance, (<-- Yours article does not do this) ... 
 * I only focused your sources because you mentioned how strong your references were.
 * May I ask, are you affiliated with this site?
 * Regards.   7   talk   22:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Also - my comment on "advertising" is not a comment about your writing style (sentence structure, punctuation, etc...) but is about my gutt feeling that even if this website was notable the way you have written the article is more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia entry and may not be from a neutral point of view - for example your article doesn't mention anything about the other websites that offer similar services.     7   talk   22:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Reasonable?
"(Female homosexual behaviour was never criminal anywhere in the United Kingdom nor did concern for Queen Victoria's sensibilities ever prevent legislation against lesbianism being drafted.)" The second half of this sentence was deleted as being 'unsourced'. I replaced it as the first half of the sentence is also unsourced. So do both go or both stay? Nobody has disputed either part so I think they should both stay. Does that seem reasonable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.69.125 (talk) 16:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The first sentence (in the article currently) as it is written summarizes the outcome of the case.  While this sentence is not directly cited, it's facts are supported by the external links provided.  Actually, this whole article needs work on it's citations and I have tagged it as such.  The sentence you added does not summarize the outcome of the case but hypothesizes or proposes a possible reason why no similar legislation was ever drafted for women.  Nowhere else in this article is the Queen or monarchy mentioned, nor does it appear that people are referring to lack of concern for someone's opinion as a reason something did or didn't happen.  If there are references to support what you have added, then please cite them and add it back in.  Thanks.     7   talk   23:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

i need a third party
can you please help me. i am dealing with orange mike who has deleted something off my page and refuses to acknowledge that he doesnt have the correct informayion regarding grammy award nominations and who qualifies to get one. who do i go to to rectify this situation. who are you people that i am talking to anyway. is it just anyone that is editing my page? who can take control of this situation? please give me some guidance--Charliedylan (talk) 00:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Charliedylan - OrangeMike has suggested that you post the article to the noticeboard for review (and I'd like to mention that you can take it to WP:RFC if you want further review). However I have to be honest with you that I agree with what OrangeMike has said, so I have posted a comment for you here asking others for their toughts.   For your other questions on who we are - I strongly suggest you read at least two of the links I left at the top of your talk page a few days ago - namely Wikipedia Tutorial and The five pillars of Wikipedia.  Anyone can edit (almost) any article.  I'm just an editor interested in keeping the place tidy, and OrangeMike is an admin with a whole lot of experience.   Regards.     7   talk   01:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

ok thanks i really appreciate your advice. i obviously need to do some more research on what is going on here. it is very overwhelming. i will be very interested to see what comes of your notice. thankyou for taking the time for me.--Charliedylan (talk) 01:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

what is a rfc???
what is going on. i feel like your going to delete me again..i saw the comment on the music board. god i feel like im in trouble im just trying to have a good page.. what is a rfc.. please tell me thanks  ??? --Charliedylan (talk) 01:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please stay calm.  As I mentioned in the links above WP:RFC another way for people to ask for a closer look at anything on Wikipedia by other users.  From RFC:  Requests for comment (RfC) is an informal, lightweight process for requesting outside input, and dispute resolution, with respect to article content, user conduct, and Wikipedia policy and guidelines..   An RFC has not been opened, and if one is opened it's not a problem. It can be opened by you or by anyone or may not be opened at all.  I just wanted the readers at the noticeboard to understand that this is not currently an RFC.   Again, I strongly suggest you read the articles at the top of your talk page for answers to this and so many other questions.     7   talk   01:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

i am breathing out
ok thanks for bringing that to my attention and i agree. i have just been very frustruated and am trying hard to make my page better. i read the good faith and being civil. perhaps an apology is due. ok it all just seems a little crazy to me. anyway thankyou for all your help. i do appreciate it. --Charliedylan (talk) 02:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this vandalsim?
My page ScribbleStick/Lies and exaggerations has been put on speedy delete by you because it is vandalism. I thought you userpages were you own thing and that you could do whatever you liked with them - I've seen people put random stuff on their userpages, so what are the rules?

--ScribbleStick (talk) 06:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * When you create a new article then it ceases to be your userpage. You should have created it as "User:ScribbleStick/Lies and exaggerations." --T'Shael MindMeld  06:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Your user page is here User:ScribbleStick/Lies_and_exaggerations. The page you created above, and that I marked for deletion is in the main article namespace with all the other Wikipedia articles and it doesn't belong there. Regards.   7   talk   06:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

continuing the discussion
hi just wondering if you could check out the wikipedia page on grammy awards and see how it is detailed. i strongly feel that the awards i had should not have been taken down.. how do i go about putting them back up. ive had no other advice that has told me any information. who has the power to put them back up? if it says THE WHOLE PRODUCTION TEAM- which is only the producer and engineer- its not the coffee guy- i dont see how ive violated anything.AND THIS IS ON WIKIPEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!.what do you think?????--Charliedylan (talk) 00:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * First can I ask you to describe your relation to him?  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   02:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

-i have no relation to him. but i am an avid listener of some of the records he has produced and the whole era including daniel lanois/ brian eno/ the experimental/ambient movement/ the new use of sound of which Mark Howard was an integral part... and i feel like my research was justified and thorough...maybe i should just let it go.. i feel like i need help navigating these early stages because this wikipedia world is very complicated.. i dont know who else to ask.. --Charliedylan (talk) 03:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Understood. The reason I ask is because your passion (concern) over this article may be what is causing others to think you have a conflict of interest.  At this point I'd suggest you stand back for a while (week/month) and let's see what others say and do with the article.  Very few articles (if any) are perfect from day 1 (I know mine aren't) and so it best to sit back and let the process work.  Regards.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   13:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

ok totally. i understand. this is my first article so i have been a little obsessed with making it as good as it can be. but i will take a breather and see if others can add some more information. i might just try to add some references which orange mike has given me some pointers towards. ok thanks for your help!--Charliedylan (talk) 16:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject User Rehab
Would you be interested in joining this project? We need more editors who share a burden for rescuing promising editors who have gotten into serious trouble because of behavioral issues. IF (a fundamental condition!) they are interested in reforming and adapting to our standards of conduct, and are also willing to abide by our policies and guidelines, rather than constantly subverting them, we can offer to help them return to Wikipedia as constructive editors. Right now many if not most users who have been banned are still active here, but they are here as socks or anonymous IPs who may or may not be constructive. We should offer them a proper way to return. If you think this is a good idea, please join us. Hello--<font face="Fantasy" color="#36F">Abce2 | <font face="Verdana" color="#09A">Access <font face="Papyrus" color="#FA1">Denied 02:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Rehab User Box
Feel free to put this anywhere on your user page. To edit this box for improvement click here

I Seek To Help & Repair! (talk) 06:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikiproject deletion
Just to let you know, the rehab wikiprojact has been nominated for deletion. --<font face="Fantasy" color="#36F">Abce2 | <font face="Verdana" color="#09A">Access <font face="Papyrus" color="#FA1">Denied 17:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Eden Elementry School and Sheldon clark high school
fca stands for fellowship of chistian alethes and will you put a picture of eden it on the website and like that and on the sheldon clark one will you put a pic of sheldon clark on the school website to —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kody rainwater (talk • contribs) 01:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Ouch?
There was nothing uncivil about it. Maybe a little short with him, but not uncivil. <font color=#900>D rew  <font color=#900>S  mith  <font color=#ccc>What I've done  05:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * We're all entitled to our opinions. Mine is that by definition "WTF" is uncivil.  Also, the comment about URLs is irrelevant.  Where he was able to prove that it was copyvio and where you got it from don't have to be the same place for it to be a copyvio.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   05:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In my experience "WTF" is a simple question, akin to what the hell, what was that for, and others. Also, I wasn't threatening him, I was giving a suggestion. He has two contributions, one to my talk page, and one to add the speedy to the subpage. That is clearly single purpose. <font color=#900>D rew  <font color=#900>S  mith  <font color=#ccc>What I've done  05:25, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Your Question on PMDrive1061's talk page
An admin has to protect the page. --<font color="#3300FF" face="Tahoma">T'Shael <font color="red" face="Tahoma">MindMeld  04:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

re: Thanks
No problem, I thought you might have noticed :). Bit too obsessed with "7"s are we....? ;) - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Block
The reason is that your former account, User:JCutter, has been abused to send threatening e-mails to administrators, including myself. This is described here and here. When I first received the e-mail, I couldn't find the thread on the incidents' page. I sort of overreacted and banned both the JCutter and the 7 account. Once I read the thread saying that this vandal was only using editor's old accounts, i.e. that you were not to blame for this, I immediately unblocked you. I'm sorry for any inconviences this may have caused you, but I hope that you understand that I was in a situation in which I had no choice but to block your account. If anyone ever challenges because of this block, please tell me about it and I will set the record straight. Happy editing and please accept my apology, --Carabinieri (talk) 12:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How can someone have logged into that account??? I don't understand how that can happen?  After my CHUU I tried to re-register that account to prevent wiki-identity theft, and it actually wouldn't let me re-register because it was too much like another user J-Cutter.   So how could someone have logged in???   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   12:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't know. I'm not following this problem too closely. I can only refer you to the discussion on the incidents' page (see the section "Apparent threat by permabanned user The Fascist Chicken").--Carabinieri (talk) 13:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COLSAC
I don't know if I am doing this correctly, but the permission is provided. I put the link to that page on the page and the images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theboardchairman (talk • contribs) 01:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that updated permission post may do the trick - but please leave the tags as they are now and a reviewing admin will confirm that the copyright problems are gone.  After that, please make sure you are aware of WP:COI and WP:SPAM policies.   Thanks.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   01:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theboardchairman (talk • contribs) 01:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

About Your Message
Hi, this is the message you sent me:

"Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Woman on top (sex position), did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you."

I did what I did because I considered that picture offensive.

Now that I read the "Wikipedia is not censored" section, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED#Wikipedia_is_not_censored) I recognize my mistake, I apologize. Didn't mean to misuse my ability to edit.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.226.209.205 (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand your concern, and to be honest I feel the same way. However the correct way to have handled that issue would have been to delete the image tag all together (which is a change I would not complain about) rather than to turn the image into a redlink spelling mistake.  Thanks.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   22:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you so much. Yes, Im new here, just tried to translate my userpage from Russian to English and Hebrew. I did a mistake, fixing the problem. Thanks for help :) Anna Strebkov (talk) 22:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy to help - any time you need assistance just write helpme on your talk page and include a summary of your question and someone will be along shortly to help.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   22:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the guidance
--Glynwiki (talk) 03:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

re Thanks
No worries. Thank you for thanking me. :) Cirt (talk) 09:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

...St Phillys
All that stuff happened with VG. Its a big part of our school. QQ some moar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.149.201 (talk) 13:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please feel free to add it back in after citing reliable sources.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   13:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

My script
Hi, I am flattered to see you have included my script in your monobook.js. I don't know if you were aware, but you could have included it with one line: This will allow you to take advantage of any bug-fixes to the 'spell.js' script. Let me know if there is anything I can do to make the script better, or if there are any other tasks which you would like to automate by script. I'm still debugging the script for IE, and adding more than just words starting with the letter 'a', but it's coming along. It appears to work right now in Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox. Best Regards. Symplectic Map (talk) 15:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, so I guess it didn't work out for you, but let me know if there was a technical problem that I might be able to fix. I recently fixed a problem with it not working in IE.  Thanks for trying it out. Symplectic Map (talk) 02:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

POSTED number 7 I have No Conflict of Interest NOV-002 and NOV-205
Dear Mr User number 7,

I have no conflict of interest and do not work for Novelos Therapeutics.

NOV-002 saves peoples lives that have cancer and is approved for use in Russia.

NOV-205 reduced viral load to Zero with people that have Hep and is unknown in the USA.

I am trying to make the public aware there are better Canacer and AntiViral medications out there that work and are not approved for use in the USA.

Thank You and Have a Nice Day!

Bixbyte (talk) 15:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)Bixbyte

May 27, 2009

Alex Kalman

Thanks for the help!
I'm just getting into Wikipedia now, and seeing how you're altering my page is really teaching me alot about how the system works. For now, i'm just going around to other pages making small updates - guess I really jumped in the deep end making a whole new article!

Take care, AsteriosAsterioskokkinos (talk) 04:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Glad to help. It is very tempting for other editors to think a new article should be delete quickly if it smells at all like people are advertising or self-promoting (and I tend to do this myself sometimes) but in this case it truly does appear to me that the person will satisfy WP's notability criteria.


 * As a side note, I've seen the other edits you are making and I just want to give a word of caution that you could be stepping into more than you are expecting there too.  As just one example you may want to check out this policy on external links, like the youtube link.  You've already been welcomed at the top of your talk page, but I personally like this welcome menu better because it has just about every link possible, so I have created this second welcome page for you.  Good luck and happy editing.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   05:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Spacechase
As I said on the talk page, I copied some information from the [games from Apollo]] page, that their parent company, it listing how this game was their bestseller. That page had a link to the interview, but I was unable to copy it over, do to the spam filter telling me that page was currently blacklisted. What parts of it do you believe need citations?  D r e a m Focus  05:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the whole thing is essentially unreferenced except for that one unlinked quote from a book / magazine. Just wondering if you've searched google for any readily available reliable sources which can be cited.  Thanks.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   05:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Well...
..sometimes I get a little goofy. I've done it a couple of times before, but with these bots, it's kind of hard to do it mumbles something about "back in the old days..." . I figure that I might as well have a bit of fun and perhaps somebody will notice. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * ...And of course as soon as I hit save I realize that I typed your name wrong... such is life.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   06:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's okay, I've been called worse. ;) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Summerisle (The Wicker Man)
Please see the comment I left on the article's talk page. Crablogger (talk) 06:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but I just wanted to make sure I had the right template to begin with. Thanks. Crablogger (talk) 07:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Understood. Thanks.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   07:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Rilliotrix
I have removed your tag from this article because it does not fall under "patent nonsense". Please review WP:CSD before continuing to tag new pages. Ironholds (talk) 12:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please review hubris.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   12:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * There's no need to be rude. My apologies about how you interpreted my original remark - it wasn't intended to be condescending. This isn't a case of WP:Don't template the regulars; with obvious mistakes in tagging I treat everyone the same. In some ways it is worse when an experienced user tags things incorrectly - they should know better. Now, Nonsense is either 1) impossible to understand what it is or 2) a string of mucked-up gibberish. Neither of those apply. Hoax isn't "we can't find coverage of it" but "the lack of coverage/inconsistencies/so on lead us to believe it does not exist". Obviously with a word inside someone's head "hoax" doesn't work; how can you prove or disprove the existence of a thought? Ironholds (talk) 12:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not trying to be rude, which is why I said please here, and thank you on your talk page, was trying to get my point across. It was not an obvious mistake, nor was it a mistake at all. It was accurate, and it was deleted by the reviewing admin as Nonsense.  Those were the admin's comments (csd-worthy), not mine.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   12:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Please look at excessive pride, thank you for being patronising"; yes, I certainly can't see any rudeness in that - why, it's as free from offensive connotations as this comment is from sarcasm! It was neither "meaningless, or incomprehensible" as the admin put it; I'll query him. Ironholds (talk) 12:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And perhaps have the article recreated?  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   12:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh lord no. It needed to go, I just like things either done openly by the book (in this case, prod) or openly "it needs to go" (so IAR). Ironholds (talk) 12:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well we have found common ground. Just too late in the evening for me to be open to constructive critisism I guess.  I too apologize if I was rude.    <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   12:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats alright, sorry for the sarcasm and any patronising (patronisation? patronage?) phrasing I used. Ironholds (talk) 12:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Your name
Is awesome

That is all —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.133.197.136 (talk) 14:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

My school's network
This is my school's network and some immature punk is vandalizing all these pages. On behalf of my shcool, I apologize —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.102.161.169 (talk) 15:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Response to your comment at WP:RM
Your comment copied from the removed discussion at WP:RM: "They might be, or they might just be confused... But now I am just wondering, is the system going to prompt them that they have new messages on their talk page when this isn't in fact their talk page but is connected by redir from their talk page?"
 * No, I believe your suspicion is correct: I don't think the system would notify them of messages, so that's another reason to revert it back. Another admin performed the move, so hopefully it's resolved now. -kotra (talk) 01:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - appreciate the quick work!  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   01:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem! Though credit for the actual move belongs to User:Jac16888. -kotra (talk) 01:41, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Great job
Yes, it's almost there. When I nominate an AfD, then see a newbie desperately trying to keep it in good faith, I can't just stand by. The article can be saved, so I must do it. Thanks for the comment, and good work yourself. :D <font color="#6B8AB8">American Eagle  (<font color="#6B8AB8">talk ) 01:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly the spirit of WP:BEFORE. Thanks!  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   01:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ada Norris
Hi, could you re-review the Ada Norris article to see if it now passes muster and is no longer has any copyright infringements. Thanks. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 12:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks better now. Thanks.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   23:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Cholesterol depletion
I'll consider what you said about cholesterol depletion being narrow. I am publishing on the subject in a peer reviewed medical journal next month. Its is a growing topic in lipidology and cell biology. The clinical ramifications are coming on-line and now that squalene epioxidase research has hit the lipidology labs it seem we'll soon be giving cholesterol supplements!. we'll keep it under review. Thanks for the guidance I'm new to medical contributions (biochemical specialism).Glynwiki (talk) 18:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Happy to help. The article may be stand-alone material with all you've added to it - and you've cross-linked to the main article, so for now I suspect this is just fine.  However it's good to hear that you are receptive to changes such as a merge just in case other editors recommend that in the future.   Thanks, and happy editing.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   23:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sunzoo studios inc
I've removed your speedy from Sunzoo studios inc, because it didn't fit under A7, as there were several claims of significance in the article. Feel free to prod or afd it. Fingers OnRoids  23:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's spam - re-tagged.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   23:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Live Nation Entertainment
Hi, Thanks for helping to improve it, I don't think that it should merge with Live Nation since Live Nation Entertainment will be the new owner. B64 (talk) 04:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Response to user talk
Dear User,

You placed a message on my user talk which is incorrect. First of all, my statement regarding the Air France officials stating the plane "Air France plane lost: officials say 'no hope' of finding airliner" is factual as it is already on atleast 2 newssites Also both my edits where presented with reference thank you very much. Secondly, i participate in a discussion about the article so please before you make such suggestions make sure your own facts are correct. 94.214.65.67 (talk) 14:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Tatco
Hello, I waited a bit on Tatco but notice there are two different users involved. I also attempted to find notability on my own, which I was unable to do. Leaving underconstruction on for several days in a content-free article doesn't seem right, and in this case the ip contributor had nearly four hours to make some kind of edit. The whole thing seems precocious and feels like an attempt to keep spam in wikipedia longer, but I am more than willing to be wrong here. ZabMilenko 07:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, which is why I immediately removed my hasty tag. I've just been trying to lean toward "fix-instead-of-delete".  Thanks for the note.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   07:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Friendly Note
Thanks for pointing me to the resources. Stupid of me not to have familiarized myself with that policy beforehand. I appreciate it. Best --Picatrix (talk) 10:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not stupid at all - there are a million policies here (give or take) and I only recently leared about Outing myself.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   11:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Tagging
In trying not to be WP:BITEy, I've hidden the speedy deletion tags on this article for an hour. If Omegakingboo comes up with sources, everything's okay. If no sources are forthcoming, then I'll go ahead with the speedy deletion. —C.Fred (talk) 01:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Completely understood. Thanks.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   01:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

All American Foods
Yes I am affiliated with this company. I have all of the rights to the information posted and the freedom to post it. Thanks for your help. Anything else that I can do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aafinc (talk • contribs) 14:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Just trying to get the information out there. Just a brief history and what they do. Please warn if I've taken it too far. I'm not trying to sell anything. It's very similar to what other companies have posted without trouble. Thanks for your help Aafinc (talk) 14:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The reference on the page has all the information about the company that was not published by the company. It is an outside source that provides all of the information listed on the Wiki. Anything else? Aafinc (talk) 14:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for your help. I added two more resources to my page. The information is just a history and outline of what the company does. It does not have a COI. It's just information. I read the rules and maybe I'm missing something. I was wondering if those tags could be removed, unless, of course, I'm missing something still. Thanks for the help. Regards Aafinc (talk) 15:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I added a notability tag to the article; this looks to me like a relatively small company that has gotten minimal to no newspaper or magazine coverage. (I was considering posting a note to the editor's user talk page, but the account is blocked since the name is essentially a company account, not a personal one.)  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 21:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Hacking discussion.
You're welcome. What surprised me was that no one seemed interested in the motivation of the editor who did what he did. And I didn't find his answer (to my question) to be particularly compelling: essentially, he did it because he wanted to see if he could.

At least there now seems to be a bit of a push to block this first (even if apparently ineffective) hacking step in the future. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

NPA warning for Oxana879
Regarding the NPA warning you left here - I assume this relates to the comment at User_talk:Ironholds. If so I have already raised this on Oxana's talk page as a personal message rather than a template. As two warnings for the one comment seems excessive, would you consider removing your more recent one? Euryalus (talk) 03:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Totally agreed, didn't mean to double up - I just didn't notice yours in the CSD notice. Thanks for catching it.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   04:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries, and thanks for undoing it. It was' a pretty unacceptable comment they made, but they appear to be a newish user so one warning might be enough. Euryalus (talk) 04:40, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like I'm not the only one to miss it.  ;)   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   06:41, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Promixluvr
Hmm. On the face of it a COI report is needed; however, if you think this is the same person and have some diffs that prove it we should also go to SPI. Daniel Case (talk) 12:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think it's an SPI situation, per se, because it's not like he's using both at once or using one to circumvent a community ban - he was blocked for username and now created a new account, which I think is allowed. I guess I am just hoping that you'll keep an eye on him with me.  Thanks.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   12:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I just blocked Promixluvr indef since he had been editing Pro Mix. I cited him both for spamming (new account creation is blocked, which I hadn't done yesterday) and block evasion. New accounts are allowed after such blocks, but usually only after filing unblock-un and giving us a chance to review the proposed new username. This was clearly an attempt to circumvent the block. You might want to go vote at Articles for deletion/Jeff Thom, if you haven't already. What I'd like to know is how he was able to create articles immediately, without waiting four days from the creation of the account. What happened to auto-confirmation? Daniel Case (talk) 13:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Good question. He'll be back, I'm sure.  Already voted at the AfD above.   Thanks.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   13:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Mixer
Progress indeed - we took it from 9186 bytes to 2935. If that isn't encyclopedia building, I don't know what is :) Really, don't feel bad about AfDing it - it was awful, and something needed to be done, and I was serious about the need for aggressive copyediting. I'll see if I can build it up. The only sources seem to be within the industry, so they'll have to be judiciously chosen.  Acroterion  (talk)  13:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's getting there.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   13:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Response to your post on my talk
I have permission from CFO Debbie Rosen to use any and all information on company literature, so my copy and paste from the website is a non-issue in that sense. Thank you for your concern. (MrOzio1 (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Sorry, but that doesn't resolve the issue. We can't take your word for it.   Please see Donating copyrighted material.  Also, since you are apparently dealing with the CFO of the company you may have a conflict in writing about them.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   14:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

So because I'm writing a dissertation on a company and am in touch with the CFO I'm automatically a biased poster? Interesting. How was the Coca-Cola page made, may I ask? One might call that advertising.

Where is the boundary between the acceptable and the non? It all seems very played out to me. (MrOzio1 (talk) 14:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC))
 * I said "you may have a conflict". I didn't say you were automatically a biased poster.  If you aren't interested in reading the policies that I have sent you it will take a very long time for us to discuss it all here.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   14:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

To whom can I send a test page to be reviewed then? Seems to me that nearly any historical post about a company can be perceived as advertising by one person or another. (MrOzio1 (talk) 14:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC))
 * Replied on your talk.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   14:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

DVDXCOPYGOLD user name controversy
In response to your message in mytalk, I'm responding to your message, I request my account to be removed as I created an account with my real name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DVDXCOPYGOLD (talk • contribs) 02:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

DVDXCOPYGOLD user name controversy part 2
I tried to do that but it kept leading me to pages that don't do any of that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DVDXCOPYGOLD (talk • contribs) 02:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What would you like your new name to be and I can help you with the WP:CHU process.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   02:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

DVDXCOPYGOLD user name controversy part 3
How 'bout "I'm a complete idiot for registering an account on this site" How about that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DVDXCOPYGOLD (talk • contribs) 03:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

DVDXCOPYGOLD user name controversy part 4
I apoligize for the post I made, but I'm having issues with an amazon online order that has not been delivered at the time it was schedueled to arrive (06-04-09) and its past the delivery time.

Still worried the post office has lost the CD (as it was out of print, and from the amazon seller's marketplace).

Also another concern over any username I suggest may be controversial with administrators on this site (even my legal name, maybe controversial. And its my legal name. I am afraid to use it in Hollywood as I may get sued by an actor with the same last name, what is this country going to - "lawsuit happy nation, ha!?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by DVDXCOPYGOLD (talk • contribs) 03:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Templates for User Rehab project
I see you are interested in creating some templates. Please start and let's see where this goes. You may wish to create a subpage for this work. Just leave the link in the section. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reminding me... spent some time trying to play around with a nuvola style logo, but at least got a draft of one template out there. Will work on the others soon.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   06:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You have made some really neat templates. I like them. Unfortunately the one on the Project's main page prevents the TOC and section editing from working. How about tweaking the old one by adding the text and relevant links to it? See my edit here. -- Brangifer (talk) 04:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed that problem. The current format has the table of contents mixed in with the first section (I did this intentionally because otherwise there is a large break before you see any text).  I then intentionally broken the second section down below the contents box, because it visually doesn't look good if one section wraps around the box.   Let me know if you think this works better.  For any other changes I'll make a sandbox version.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   04:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It is still blocking section editing. -- Brangifer (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Will you please add any skills (including making templates) you may have to the Supporters table at the project? -- Brangifer (talk) 05:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed section editing - that was apparently an intentional function of the base template which I had to suppress. Not sure at this point if I have any templating skills, but I am around (but busy in RL) and willing to help.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   06:14, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Great! That works. Can you make it narrower? It dominates quite a bit, but maybe that's OK. The one on the talk page seems to be a more appropriate width. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * For some reason the section editing isn't working again. -- Brangifer (talk) 13:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

(&larr;)Strange - did I break that? Like I said... template skills aren't ready for my resume yet. It's fixed (again), and I shrunk the box down to 80% width. <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;"> 7   talk   14:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- Brangifer (talk) 14:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Since you seem to have a good eye for templates and formats, here are some links to other projects that may provide some ideas for templates, boxes and formatting:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Fact_and_Reference_Check
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles

-- Brangifer (talk) 02:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

RfA thanks
Mifter (talk) 23:35, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

However if you check.
i'm somewhat miffed you wouldn't look at the page when I tagged it as it was a one sentence article that appperd to be nonsens. Howver in this case I was ultimately wrong and ifyou review not many of my csd's are declined. Next time please just ask me why I did something rather then sending me links, I'm happy to explain myself and (try very hard) to admit when I am wrong. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I did look at the history. I am sorry you are miffed at my polite notice to you.  You tagged it as db-content, a blank article.  It wasn't blank.  You also also used an edit summary of "not notable" - CSD tagging is meant to be a lower standard than notability.  I too have a lengthy record of successful speedy deletions (about 10x yours).  It doesn't mean we should ignore the rules.   Regards.    <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   00:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * didn't mean to suggest it was Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You were very polite though, I give you that. This is only one of my own pet peevs, no biggie. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
I'm deeply sorry, this is a school IP and some people vandalize. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.50.110.19 (talk) 19:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Just saw
that you G10d an attack page for me before I even got to see it :) Good work -SpacemanSpiff (talk) 07:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Got your back. ;)  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   07:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't even very creative...  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   07:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your message. I do have an account, but lately prefer to revert vandalism anonymously. Much appreciated, and keep up the good work. 99.178.163.130 (talk) 01:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, may I ask why? I too dislike when I become the target of vandals after reverting their work, but the same can happen with an IP.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   01:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I just enjoy the opacity. I don't mind e-mailing you confidentially re: my account, but it's kind of neat to be an anonymous, paying little mind to either reprisals or barnstars. 99.178.163.130 (talk) 02:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thanks.  <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk   03:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Your Request for Adminship
Dear ,

I have closed your recent RfA as no consensus. Please do not be disheartened by this – if you take note of the concerns of the opposition, maintain your activity, and stay out of trouble, you'll be able to have another shot in a few months' time. If you have any questions regarding the closure, feel free to send me a message. Best of luck. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous Dissident (talk • contribs) 07:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, how annoying. Thanks for letting me know. I forgot to subst it. I hope you don't feel ripped-off by my blatantly depersonalised message – but I do echo my template. It was very close, and I'm certain you'll be able to pass with more CSD experience. — Anonymous Dissident  Talk 07:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry your RfA didn't pass, 7. It's interesting that you got the same level of support as many passes get, but hopefully, when you run again in the not-too-distant future, those opposes will be converted to unequivocal support – you know you got mine. See you around. :) – B.hotep •talk• 09:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC) Also interesting that when you hit the edit button in this section on your talk page, it actually edits Anonymous Dissidents subpage. – B.hotep •talk• 09:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - and thanks for all your support. I've fixed the problem with the template above.   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk &#124; &Delta; &#124;   09:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * My commiserations, 7. I'll put Requests for adminship/7 2 on my watchlist momentarily. Cheers,  Dylan 620  (contribs, logs)help us! 14:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Me too. Go for it :) Little Professor (talk) 11:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Maybe... someday... (saved by zero).   <span style="padding:2px;background: #cccccc; color: #0000cc; BORDER-RIGHT: #6699cc 3px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #6699cc 3px solid;">  7   talk &#124; &Delta; &#124;   14:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

RfD
Hey 7! Regarding your User:SAT1932CU and User talk:SAT1932CU nominations (RfDs here and here), is there any reason to delete the redirects as opposed to just blanking the pages, particularly if WP:CROSS is all you've got?

I was going to point out that SAT1932CU (San Antonio Teachers 1932 Credit Union) appears to be a single purpose account dedicated to creating their advertisement at Firstmark Credit Union in almost certain conflict of interest, but I see that you've already reported a WP:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard.

What should we do about the Firstmark Credit Union article itself? Would you have any objection to a speedy G11 (unambiguous advertising or promotion)? -- Thinking of England (talk) 14:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I was going to suggest that, too. May I also recommend taking a gander at the infobox "Firstmark Credit Union Branch Locations" at the bottom of the article? Thanks. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 19:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. Glad to see that it's not just me thinking that this whole thing is a little "fishy".  My thoughts, in matching order of above:  the reason for the deletion of the redirects, as opposed to blanking the page was that 1) a deletion by consensus carries more weight than a single editor removing the redirect and 2) this is a redirect that shouldn't be there anyway but was created because the original author created the articles on his/her own talk and userpage and then moved them rather than creating them from scratch in the article namespace.  After the move the system automatically creates the redirect.   Next, I agree that this is a clear COI and if the account isn't blocked for COI it should probably be reviewed under UAA (although use of acronyms for company names is not a guaranteed violation).  Lastly, on the question of deletion of the article in general: you could give it a try but I strongly suspect that speedy would be declined because it's not blatant advertising (doesn't say "buy this...") and the article asserts some notability ("fourth largest").  Again, you could try CSD, but I think AfD might be more appropriate in this case (potential reasons: non-notable, stealthy advertising, etc... - but remember COI is not a reason for deletion).  I didn't nom for speedy or AFD because there are a fair amount of ghits and gnews for the entity... but it's certainly a close one.  Let me know what you think.   7  23:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Guess you've decided... Don't be too surprised if an admin or other editor declines it - it's really not blatant advertising.   7  01:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've tried a speedy G11; we will see what happens. I do feel kinda sorry for them in that they have put a lot of work trying to make it meet the spirit and form of a regular wikipedia article, but I don't see how it could honestly be made objective without starting over from scratch, if the fourth largest credit union in San Antonio is even sufficiently notable to warrant such an article.


 * Regarding the RfD, I still don't see what you gain from a delete over a blank. As you pointed out, the redirects are remnants of a move (after treating the user page as a sandbox) and so they don't even contain any questionable history (and the talk page now contains a couple of notifications).  I'd blank them myself but I don't want to step on your RfD toes if you do think there is any advantage at all to a delete.


 * I am not familiar with the historical practice at UAA, but SAT1932CU does not strike me so much as a "promotional username", but as an honest and descriptive admission of potential COI. I do wonder if the user does have the actual authority to offer the illustration as "I, the copyright holder of this work, ...".  Is just saying so enough or would we need something more irrefutably from the organization? -- Thinking of England (talk) 02:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * First and foremost feel free to step anywhere, my toes were amputated long ago. There is rarely only one right answer and when there is I not necessarily to be the one to come up with it (at least not the first to come up with it).  If the CSD works then the RFDs become a moot point. If you want to fix the redirects yourself you are welcome to.  Seriously, I have no issue with any of your suggestions.  I just thought a community discussion might be better in this case than a unilateral decision by me affecting another users talk and userpage.    7  02:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The CSD went through and Firstmark Credit Union was deleted (along with its talk page, of course). -- Thinking of England (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. I agree with your comments on the RfD page.  Do you want to go ahead and do that (remove the redirects) and then the RfDs can be closed early.   Thanks.   7  22:36, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't care who, … so I went ahead and did it. -- Thinking of England (talk) 23:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ... and I closed the RfDs.  Thanks.   7  02:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Case Sensitive Search
Commenting at WP:RFD, you wrote Google Search for those terms also reveal no relevant external links. Are you able to perform case sensitive Google searches? -- Thinking of England (talk) 00:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * AFAIK Google totally ignores case. However what I did is this search which searches for sites that link into the google term "field" regardless of case, and I excluded results from WP itself.   I scanned the first 4-5 pages of results and saw none that matched the mixed case (so google doesn't do case sensitive search, but you can see the typed in case in the search results).   7  00:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've used "-" and "site:" but for some reason I've never thought off combining them.  Cool!


 * If you ever do run across a case sensitive search tool (and happen to remember me) please let me know. http://www.searchengineshowdown.com/features/byfeature.shtml#case claims No search engine supports case sensitive searching any longer.  How sad. 8^(


 * http://case-sensitive-search.appspot.com/ does the type of scanning you described automatically, but such a method does not work well for unusual capitalizations of common terms. For instance, using that tool on "MoD" yields no results even if the number of case insensitive matches to be scanned is increased to its maximum of 4096, but "UK MoD" yields the full dozen results even at the default 256 setting. (This app also does not support "site" and "-".)  In the case of the FielD redirect, a case insensitive search of "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FielD" yields "about 176" results, so the app presumably scans them all before reporting no case sensitive matches, which would seem to indicate that there are no incoming external links.  (The quotes are necessary with the app search, for some reason.  Even "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field" yields no results if they are omitted.  Hmmm.)  -- Thinking of England (talk) 02:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do. I may not remember, but my archives never forget.  Thanks for your collaboration.    7  02:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I figured it out, thanks
I figured it out. Just make some changes to a non-padlocked article. Keep doing it and then change it back. I think it's like government red tape, just have to go through the motions. Dellcomputermouse (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... okay...  I don't think that was the intent of the guideline - you may also get complaints for self-reverting test edits to articles.    7  13:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Japan
Just a note to hereby confirm that I did indeed request this JAWP CHUU. 7 03:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Referenced Deletion
The plot summary I included in this page was written by me, John Grimshaw as noted on the IMDB page. Since I am the author of this material, and since this is the official plot summary for the film, which exists in a variety venues, I wish to include it on the page. Thank you, please let me know if you have questions. John Grimshaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgjake (talk • contribs) 03:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Mr. Grimshaw - Here is a procedure for donating copyrighted materials which you will need to follow. However, since you have self-identified as the author of this work I must also ask that you read our policies on conflicts of interest and the rules against using Wikipedia for promotion.  Regards.    7  04:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

20 Wheels Deletion Follow Up
Hi, I have read and understand all three of the policies. I came across the following wikipedia entry two days ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Indie_Distribution_Fest_award_winners

Since this posting references a work that I created, and was already listed on Wikipedia, an informational link about the page seemed useful. If this is not acceptable I can simply add the IMDB link on the Indie Fest reference and delete the 20 Wheels page.

Thank you, "Jgjake (talk) 04:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)"


 * Unfortunately that article isn't in the greatest of shape either... and it (too) was created by someone who has a COI (they are an actor in one of the other movies listed). Please let me know once you have donated the copyrighted materials and then we can discuss.   7  04:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

20 Wheels further understanding
Thanks, I understand better what the issue is. Noob here, upon further examination of the COI, if an outside party can rework this, I think it should work better with your policies. I'll examine the documents further and donate the copyrighted works, will contact on further revisions. Thank you, Jgjake (talk) 07:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem - there are a lot of unknown guidelines here and I still don't know them all. We're all Noob's at some point.  Thanks, and happy editing.   7  08:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk on bipolar disorder picture
Thanks for your message - A picture on the bipolar disorder is proving to be quite controversial and we would like feedback on it. Unfortunately there is no 'banner' eg "This article is not in the correct style". We would like a banner saying "An editor disagrees with the images on this page ." but it does not exist. This is why I would like to add some text on the caption of the image. As discussed on the bipolar disorder talk page prior to the edit this would only be for a few weeks and it hardly distracts from the article like a banner. What do you think? 194.83.139.177 (talk) 15:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have made a few changes. I agree that the pic was not appropriate, but more because of the type of roller coaster pictured than anything else.   The reference provided for that pic was actually quite useful (and has more accurate waveforms for the mood pattern of people affected) and I have re-incorporated that author and reference into the Prognosis section.  I appreciate you coming to me for help, and I am always willing to do so, but in the future may I gently suggest that you can also consider this when you feel like future changes are necessary.  Granted, it's a balancing act - and you don't want to make controversial changes in the heat of the discussion.  Commenting on the talk page is the right thing to do, but you don't have to wait for consensus to be reached in a 9 month old (and 5 month stale) discussion before making rational changes.   Talk in the article is not appropriate (imagine if you were paging through your paper encyclopedia and you saw a note/pic/ref which said "call us if you don't find this picture useful").   7  23:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

My talk page edit header
Hmm... It doesn't do anything strange for me. I've tried looking at it in Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome (I noticed that your signature has a shadow (I normally use IE8 which it doesn't show up in), very nice :D). What browser are you using? And could you explain what it looks like in more detail? The only difference I can think of is when you are adding a new section you get the Subject/headline box, and no edit summary box. And don't worry 'bout the boss comment, makes me feel important ;) - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It happens in Chrome at home and in Firefox at work for me - one note - after you click the links you need to scroll up to see the top of the screen. 7  13:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you still can't see it let me know and I'll email ya.  7  13:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Really strange, it starts at the top of the page for me. Are you using vector? Could you try doing it while logged out? If it's still broken, feel free to email me. Kingpin13 (talk) 13:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm stumped. I'm using monobook skin (not beta), cleared my monobook.js and vector.js completely - purged and did a full refresh, and still the same thing happens.   But you are right, it doesn't happen when I'm logged out.  Oh well, I guess not an issue on your side then.   7  22:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

CSD question
Hi 7! I was hoping to gain a bit of your CSD wisdom. Given the way that the evidence disappears upon deletion, I am unsure how to properly review logs to determine the effectiveness and accepted interpretations of various CSD criteria. (I'm asking you because you seemed friendly when we communicated about the SAT1932CU / Firstmark Credit Union issues, but you certainly owe me nothing, so feel free to send me on to seek advice elsewhere.)

WP:RFD caught my eye. Vampires abilities was created today by all appearances as a child's run-on sentence describing what he or she thought about vampires. I wrote at the RfD that it would have likely been speedily deleted had it not been converted into a redirect, but, after posting, I browsed through the CSD criteria and became less certain, particular if the criteria are always interpreted literally. From memory, I was thinking WP:CSD (no meaningful content), but looking at it I see it addresses "gibberish with no meaningful content" and it "excludes poor writing". In your experience, is there any way this could have been speedily deleted, or would this have needed an AfD?

The creator, Kturn101(talk|contrib), also today created Jason the goose which was successfully deleted with a Speedy G1. Unfortunately, there is no way now to see if the page was truly gibberish, or if it too contained a child's single sentence. Is there any way to learn the actual working practice of CSD other than to track candidates as they are nominated and save a local copy of the article in order to compare content to eventual decision?

BTW, SAT1932CU was unblocked and has created a new username DonnaKP, matching the name of a Firstmark Credit Union graphic designer. While not following the early COI warning she received, she never did attempt any deception, and I do think that she was making a good faith attempt at creating an NPOV article, but avoiding COI in such a case is nearly impossible. -- ToET 16:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow - first time I've ever been accused of having any wisdom... thanks. Redirects are a tricky subject.  Before, many people (myself included) successfully lobbied to exclude redirects from the search box suggestion/autocomplete/dropdown I used to have much stronger opinions that only the most common/relevant spelling and caps mistakes should have a redirect.  Everyone else would say "redirects are cheap" and that they don't cause any problem, but I hated that when you started to type in "swim" you would get 72 different permutations of swim, swimming, swims, etc... with different tenses and caps and 95% of which would redirect to the general article swim.  Now that the search box excludes redirects there really is no harm, and people will (correctly) argue that keeping a redirect is often better than complete deletion because it will prevent some other 10 year old kid from making a similar article later on.  Plus, regardless of whether or not this original article was gibberish and would have qualified under G1, now that another editor has said a redirect is better it is really a moot point - you can't really go back to the original and try go CSD it.  Long story short: Even with the spelling/punctuation mistakes I really don't see any harm in this redir.  I think that most admins would not have considered this gibberish, but as you said - poor writing.


 * Agree on the credit union article/author - we'll just have to watch for COIs down the road. The whole block/unblock/COI discussion there was another clear example of how different admins react differently to various situations (perfectly understandable).  7  23:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, I had not known about that bit of search tool history. Were I a banrstar believer I'd want to track down all involved and give you "saving the search tool" barnstars, creating one if it didn't exist.


 * The rate of tagging is poor, but, if it were more common, then perhaps changes could be made so such redirects could be treated differently, not yielding blue links, for example.  As it is, people saying "redirects are cheap" are certainly more accurate given the dropdown change you effected, but there are still some costs that seem seldom considered.  One is support of bluelinks, and that is how I was able to squeak through the deletion of Equador, Rio Grande de Norte last month, given the potential for that misspelling to reappear in a very prominent hatnote.  Other costs are that are less tangible include their influences in skewing search engine results, amplified by the number of Wikipedia mirrors.


 * Finally (and I fear that this rates higher than it should in my mind, leading me to question my motives in all such cases) they often just bug me for being wrong. I don't mind a properly tagged redirect from misspelling created specifically for that purpose, but I am truly bugged by those left behind from unintentional misspellings.  "Civil unions in Rio Grande de Sul" (and I won't link it here to avoid increasing its link count) now points to Recognition of same-sex unions in Brazil, but it is the redirect remnant of moving the initially misspelled "Civil unions in Rio Grande do Sul" article, subsequently merged into their common target.  Some may argue that an unintentional misspelling is a strong argument for the need of a particular redirect from misspelling, but this one redirect is the sole use of the misspelled phrase "Rio Grande de Sul" in all of Wikipedia, and were such a redirect from misspelling desired, then surely an equivalent one to Rio Grande do Sul would be even more deserving.  As it is, neither is desired, as the search tool easily catches this mistake and the inclusion of a phrase so grating to the Brazilian ear serves only to save one mouse click -- a click, by the way, which might occasionally serve to educate someone who has systematic misunderstanding of a particular spelling.  In a just world there would be a CSD category for untagged, misspelled, redirects!


 * I think I may be ranting here, so I'll stop now (even though there are a few other costs that I've not yet mentioned) and apologize for bending your ear so far. -- ToET 06:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Believe me, I hear ya. Redirects that are misleading should go.  Period.  Regardless of how "cheap" they are.  But as I drink the kool-aid a bit and think about redirects which aren't misleading but are just a little less likely, and I realize the fact that we might all be saved from having another RFD or CSD discussion on them when they are re-created in the future then I calm down a bit and walk away from them.  Feel free to rant anytime...  I often do.   7  06:48, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

rfb
how do u check ur editcuont?~!Richboyliang (talk) 22:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * One easy way is to select your username at the top of the screen and then select preferences. 7  23:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Editing
The user is new and is a friend in real life (it's sad that I now have to make that distinction). I helped to convince them to rejoin Wikipedia, as they had been editing under an IP for a number of years. They then set up the account and asked if I could quickly fix up their preferences so that it would be a bit easier to use. I did so with my page also open, and it somehow copied all of his preferences onto my page. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 13:48, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Nathalie Quagliotto
An article you speedied earlier, Nathalie Quagliotto, has been AfDed at Articles for deletion/Nathalie Quagliotto. You may wish to join with the discussion. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 05:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Reply
Hi, the content is actually about a noble house rather than just a standard surname like "Smith" or something. The house are Dukes of Leinster. - Yorkshirian (talk) 07:49, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Many, many thanks!
Thanks yet again for covering my back re. my talk page. It's apparent that there are some really bored adolescents playing with daddy's computer. :)) Take care. Regards, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No prob. Glad to help.   7  23:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Just an FYI
Just so you know, I copied your comment from WP:AN to WP:VP(T) so that the "technical people" working on it there could see your comment and perhaps glean something from it. Hope you're okay with that.
 * Peace and Passion &#9774; ''("I'm listening....") 00:33, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Perfect - thanks.  7  00:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

On a similar topic, I noticed your U1 request of your monobook, and I can't delete it for you because of the new software. I've made a note about it at WP:VPT. Perhaps in a bit Twinkle and other tools will begin to work better? Because as it stands monobooks can't be deleted by regular admins, it seems. <font style="color:#4682b4">Jamie <font style="color:#50C878">S93  00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's funny - I saw your comment on the difficulty in deleting them and couldn't believe that you would have found mine so fast. I was actually pretty sure that the interface wouldn't even add that page to the U1 deletion category since it didn't seem to parse the template at all.  Thanks for noticing it, and while it doesn't appear that this is the cause of the twinkle breakdown (so not critical for me now) it is probably still worth getting an answer on how/when/who can delete in the future.   Thanks again.  7  01:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm... fixed already? User:Shanel just deleted it for me.    7  01:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Recent account creation requests from Namibia (IP 196.*.*.*)
(I post this message to some account creators that recently have handled Namibian account requests)

Hi all, I just joined the ACC team, partly because I want to help out with our own students. Polytechnic of Namibia has only a few IP addresses over which everything is NATted. We have recently encouraged a number of first-year IT students to become active on WP to improve coverage of Namibia. Ever since (3 weeks ago) we have run into the 6-accounts-per-IP-per-day problem. Unfortunately, the IPs involved have collected a few warnings on vandalism but many new accounts have made edits that are constructive, or that are in the sandbox. Please agf in these cases as you have done before. Generally, all unique requests from accounts of the students.polytechnic.edu.na mail server should be okay. I can personally vouch that every unique account on this server belongs to one and only one person; students must be enrolled at our institution to obtain an email address from this server. If you have questions please contact me on my talk page. Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Firstmark Credit Union and COI
Hi 7. Does User talk:Graeme Bartlett come across as reasonable? -- ToET 23:49, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi - I think Graeme's advice is reasonable. I haven't re-read the entire article, but a COI tag is probably still appropriate because of the authors own admissions.   Looking at the article history while it was in the sandbox another editor did contribute twice, but they were minor contributions and did nothing to diminish the COI.  Also looking at Donna's talk it looks like another editor or two were watching her work in the sandbox.   As you said, you don't want people to think you are holding a grudge but a COI or neutrality-check tag may be fair and let others decide.   If you plan to add it I would do it manually (not via twinkle) so that you can soften it in the subject with something like "Tagging COI due to initial editor's affiliation with the company, but feel free to remove if sufficiently NPOV" or something like that.   7  00:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Deo Volente
Are you from Indonesia? I see you make this User(SIGIT PRASETYO). Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 05:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No - I am an account creator - part of the WP:ACC team. This user requested an account and I helped them create it.  Is there any concern?   7  05:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Broken redirect in skin
Your Jcutter's skin redirects to Your skin which doesn't exists creating a broken redirect. Thought you could fix this up.

TheGreatAwesomeness (talk) 06:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow - not sure how you found that one... Unfortunately I can't edit the original skin any more than you can because that's my old account and it was blocked long ago to prevent what was (at the time) a hacking vulnerability in old usurped names.   Is this causing a problem anywhere (other than showing up on a broken redirect bot report)?  If so, I'll ask an admin to delete - but not worth their time if it's not causing a problem.  Thanks   7  06:53, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I found it on the broken redirect page. It's not causing any problem so just leave it. TheGreatAwesomeness (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool number thing by the way 3.8
 * Thanks ;)  7  11:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a tought to fix the redirect create the User:7/monobook.js. That would fix the redirect TheGreatAwesomeness (talk) 22:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Copyright and Facebook
A subject's Facebook or MySpace page, in addition to being copyrighted, is totally unacceptable as a reliable source for anything except a statement like, "As of July 7, 2007, SUBJECT's Facebook stated that she was the rightful King of Denmark and Duke of Earl." -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  04:31, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you may be preaching to the choir... I tagged the page for db-copyvio because when I did a google search of the text it matched the facebook page exactly... and of course facebook has a copyright symbol at the bottom.  However olivertwisted declined, so I did some research on facebook's copyright terms and they say that the owner always retains rights to what they have posted.  This raises the question of how we know if the user who posted to WP was the same as the owner of the facebook page - but I think that may be something more to discuss with the editor who declined the CSD.   I would certainly agree that facebook is not a reliable source, but that wasn't the issue here.  Thanks.    7  05:57, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Script
No, you cannot directly put a script into an article. At most you can use one of the site scripts or a userscript to trigger the loading of an external script when you visit certain pages. —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 11:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Sameera Aziz
Thanks for keeping an open mind on the AfD nomination. There do not seem to be many editors who are willing to revise their opinions after taking a second look at an article. I don't consider myself an "inclusionist," but every once in a while I see articles buried in layers of shameless self-indulgence that just need to be stripped back to the intro sentence, and then re-built using info from whatever fragmentary sources are provided. I often strike out, but it's nice when there really is an article in there somewhere, just waiting to be developed by more serious editors later. It's also kind of fun to explore the cultural differences with articles from other countries which have English speaking populations, like India, Pakistan and apparently even Saudi Arabia. In those countries "honor" doesn't translate easily to Wikipedia's cold "notability" guidelines without a little help from experienced users from time to time. Cheers! -- Oliver <font color="33CC99">Twisted <font color="006699" size="1px"> (Talk)<font color="33CC99" size="1px">(Stuff) 05:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'd like to think I can admin when I am wrong (but it does bother me when people waffle around and change their minds with every new post).  You've done great work on improving the article.  Thanks.   7  06:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * AFD's not over, but I felt confident in presenting you the rescue barnstar for that one.  7  06:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's looking better for Dr. Aziz. Thanks for the barnstar! I thought they had been lost to time... ;o) -- Oliver <font color="33CC99">Twisted <font color="006699" size="1px"> (Talk)<font color="33CC99" size="1px">(Stuff) 07:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well done.  7  08:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Onsite Comparative Pricing
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Re: Barnstar
Thank you for seconding the barnstar and for all your good work. – Zntrip 08:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Dillon v. Legg citation
Thanks for the cite you added to Dillon v. Legg! Verkhovensky (talk) 04:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem - great work on it. I'm just lazy so I like where there is at least one online cite available so people don't have to go down to the library.   7  04:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Workplace for IITians
The article is useful because it informs potential candidates about Talentica as an organization. It isn't promoting Talwntica's business in any way. It is difficult for people to find a workplace that promises good work and growth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proteusthinker (talk • contribs) 07:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry - but Workplace for IITians is very promotional. It only describes the positive sides of the company, it uses peacock terms, it doesn't list any competitors, it doesn't include any references, and as you mention above it is trying to help (promote) people finding it as a good place to work.  Please see the notes I left on your talk page, as well as WP:WHYNOT.   7  07:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

proper reference format
If my reference format is incorrect, please help me select the proper format. Revelation 11:8 from the Bible is a valid reference. I did not want to select one translation over another.

Thank you. 66.56.218.66 (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I assume you are referring to this. If so, it was less of an issue of citing the bible and more of an issue about your synthesis of published material (in this case: the Bible) that serves to advance a position.  In this case, your inclusion of comments about this person seem to be an attempt to undermine his credibility by saying he is uninformed or incorrect about something.  Whether or not that is the case, it is not encyclopedic for you to publish it as your opinion.
 * If you feel strongly that this fact needs to be included in the article I suggest you mention it on the article's talk page and see how others feel. It may be more appropriate to include the reference to the location mentioned in the bible as a simple preface in the section in question (e.g. "Contrary to the location mentioned in [the reference], Hagee says: xxxxxx...").
 * For your reference - this is the current proposal on citing sources from the bible: Citing sources/Bible. You may also want to use this template:  Bibleref
 * Lastly, may I suggest that you not begin your notes on other peoples talk pages with a passage from the bible, as some editors beliefs may differ from yours.
 * Regards.   7  06:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Did I forget to thank you? ..

 * You've earned it! 7 08:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

How do I create Thai language of PangPond
รบกวนหน่อยครับ ผมอยากสร้างหน้า PangPond เป็นภาษาไทยด้วย ไม่ทราบว่าต้องสร้างอย่างไรอ่ะคับ —Preceding unsigned comment added by J.Atthaphan (talk • contribs) 03:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Please try to do so at http://th.wikipedia.org/ - thanks.  7  04:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Issue
Whoops. Thanks for fixing that. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Notifying
Good point; I'll remember that for the future. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 04:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Ryan Bamz and Luke Bamsey
Hello.

I am new to Wikipedia and am not sure how everything works so correct me if I'm wrong... I can see that listing Luke Bamsey for Speedy Deletion was a good decision, however on the creators talk page, User talk:Ryan bamz, you gave him a 4th warning for creating an inappropriate page. From his previous edits, I can see that, but I can't see the article as innapropriate. Can you clear this up for me? Thank you very much. <font face="Mistral"> Smithers   (Talk)    23:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be off to a good start.   I have posted a standard menu of some of the key policies and guidelines that we follow around here to your talk page, but feel free to ask any questions here.  The 4th warning that I gave this user was because another editor before me had given them their 3rd warning.  This is simply a way of multiple editors being able to keep track of how many times a user has been told about an issue with their articles.   In the case of my warning, I used "creating an inappropriate page" because that was what they did - it's less about the definition you linked (e.g. politically incorrect or not suitable in a situation) and more about what is or is not appropriate to be included in the encyclopedia.  If you plan to help patrol new pages and edits you may be interested in using TWINKLE which is what I use.  Hope this helps.   7  23:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Gotchya. Thanks a lot :-) <font face="Mistral"> Smithers   (Talk)    00:38, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Sensitivity (explosives)
give me a chance. That was the first save, dude. Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 03:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah crap. You want me to talk on MY page.  Whatever.   Why r u being difficult?  How about I watch ur page?  Oh yeah, 'cuz I'm busy writing! Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 03:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggested Reading - I am giving you a chance. I left you a courteous note on your talk page in order to help prevent someone else from tagging the article, and after your first comment (which some might interpret as rude) I posted an underconstruction tag on the article for you to prevent others from prodding it.  Regards.   7  03:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry I get irritated when someone flags me for deletion less than two seconds after the article was created. I understand your intent, though.  Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 04:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Expanding
Also, just wondering, would it make sense to consider expanding the existing sensitivity section in the explosives page instead of a separate article? 7 03:53, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...maybe. Shouldn't we be discussing this in the talk page of the article? Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 04:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh Heck I see it there now. It is WAY buried in that burgeoning article.  Maybe it is time to split that article appart. 04:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe - and then just a main tag in the explosives page referring to your new page. Thanks.   7  04:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

General contributions of User:17mooren
I wanted to give a quick thanks for the bulk improvement of John Viener. I've spent the past hour or so trying to save the other 4 articles this new user created just a bit ago; 2 were tagged for speedy delete and I was lucky to catch off new pages patrol. What improvements I made are nothing like how far you went, but I turned them into really low-grade stubs that should survive any deletion patrolling. Left the user cookies as a welcome and a note about the rescued articles... hopefully they'll get to working on the rest. This would have been a rather ugly matter if 4 legitimate articles had been deleted... *sigh* I hate A7. Need a forced google search of the article name before tagging or something. Thanks again~ ♪ daTheisen(talk) 01:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! And keep up the good work.  I agree that A7 should only be used on people where there is no hope of survival.   7  01:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshop
As you participated in the recent Audit Subcommittee election, or in one of two requests for comment that relate to the use of SecurePoll for elections on this project, you are invited to participate in the SecurePoll feedback and workshop. Your comments, suggestions and observations are welcome. For the Arbitration Committee, Risker (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Uriah Heep
Thanks for your help with this.

I will take time to adjust to the rules & regulations but it looks graet as is. I have some more info to add. but this may take a little time. ..

Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhandlc (talk • contribs) 19:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, thank you for starting it. Keep up go the good work.  7  01:47, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Input please
Would like your input here please. Note: This is a draft, to be kept in my namespace until the editor is off their block and their new contributions can be reviewed. Frmatt (talk) 07:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

User talk:98.177.155.42
Why not just create a sandbox instead of moving the talk page? Also, do the IPs recent actions actually lead you to believe that they're attempting to improve the article? --Onorem♠Dil 01:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If that's a better solution feel free to revert. I was concerned by their actions in the main sandbox and wanted to talk to them about it, and noticed the article and decided to suggest that they edit it in their own.  I was trying to preserve their edit history for them - but I can see that it may also be important to preserve the talk page history.    7  01:34, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * You are probably right - looking at all their edits it doesn't look promising. Shall I ask an admin to revert it?   7  01:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox Reverts
Hi 7. Coming off of the report at WP:AIV, why are you reverting sandbox edits like this? Unless the user is inserting malicious links/shock site links, there is absolutely no need to be reverting edits on those pages. -  F ASTILYsock  (T ALK ) 03:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Because they are spamming highnoonforhealthcare.org in each of them - including the one you linked above.  7  03:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * On the sandbox? Oh please... Unless they're inserting malicious links or shock site links, there really is no rule against posting links to "highnoonforhealthcare" on the sandbox.  If User:User Team starts doing this to articles however, that's a different story.  -  F ASTILYsock   (T ALK ) 03:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I take that back. Warned user.  -  F ASTILYsock   (T ALK ) 03:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He just removed the warning, meaning he saw it. If he vandalizes again, leave a message on my talk page and I'll block.  -  F ASTILYsock   (T ALK ) 03:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok - they had received every level of warning before also - and it didn't stop them. I only reported to AIV after a repeat after level 4.   7  03:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just want to say sorry for so being hard on you the other day. -  F ASTILY   (T ALK ) 07:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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 * Thanks - don't worry about it, I didn't think you were too hard. I fully agree that the sandboxes are supposed to be for just about anything, but given all of the other strange edits these went beyond what I think we were meant to accept.   7  08:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Is gross considered offensive?
I have a question. Are disgusting comments considering offensive? I mean to be in good faith. Sorry I misunderstood the rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neo The User (talk • contribs) 00:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is an element of judgment here, and I am not prepared to play the role of judge. I see that an admin has mentioned this to you before.  Please just realize that your comments may be offensive to some - and the sandbox you are using is really created for brand new users to play around with.  You might want to consider creating a user sub-page for your own sandbox if you wish to experiment further.  Regards.   7  00:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok I will take my actions elsewhere. Thanks for the heads up! Neo The User (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi
Hello. Sorry about not doing that - I didn't realise the editor had to do this, as I always thought a bot did this task. Anyway, I'll keep this in mind. Cheers.


 * By the way, you have a great username! Simple and to the point. 124.187.54.153 (talk) 08:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks - have you considered getting a username yourself? Just don't want people to say "shrimp on a barbie" and other stuff to you based on your IP. ;)     7  08:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have considered it, but I've decided that at least for the time being, IP editing is the way to go. 124.185.141.141 (talk) 07:54, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Navia
I have nominated navia for renaming to navia (bromeliad). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. — ξ <sup style="color:#000000;">xplicit  23:09, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for pointing out that the now deleted Rajput, RAJA was a copy of Gulab Singh of Jammu and Kashmir. It makes my job much easier. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sometimes it's more obvious than others - this time they included the WMF fundraising stats! ;)   7  03:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Youtube
Hi 7. I'm still learning how this works. You removed the reference I had from my Lovedrops article to the youtube video. The video was an actual documentary that aired on television and I was referencing content based on the words coming directly out of the band member's mouths. I understand that alot of youtube content would not qualify as a valid reference, but isn't this an exception? A documentary television show is reliable source of information, the fact that is has been preserved and uploaded onto youtube doesn't tarnish the accuracy of the content. Please give me some insight on this.--Cjhoyle (talk) 05:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, you're off to a good start - I have left you some notes at the top of your talk page which may be helpful if you are ever looking for help on something. For this - I would still argue that a youtube video is not a reliable source in and of itself - but rather you might consider citing something from the documentary television show and listing the show name and episode.  There are just so many potential issues with youtube - please take a look at WP:YOUTUBE.   Especially if there is any question of whether that excerpt of episode of the documentary is properly released for use there.  I'll have another look and come back to you.   7  05:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you happen to know if CFRN-TV has authorized that video? Also - it's isn't the whole documentary, it is basically just a music video.   7  05:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Well the whole hour documentary about the group is there, however the person who uploaded it broke it down into 3 parts. The one I referenced was the 3rd part which contains the Lovedrops song, and all of the information which is directly related to it. I don't have any of the information about its authorization.--Cjhoyle (talk) 05:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth in WP:RS, and given that we don't know of the authority the uploader had to put it there I would stay away from it. However feel free to post a comment on the article talk page to seek a third opinion on the matter.  Thanks.   7  06:01, 23 November 2009 (UTC)