User talk:71.248.161.202

Mini-DIN
Hi IP user! You jsut edited the Serial port article claiming mini-DIN is not German. Now, I think the edit is fine, circular is certainly more informative than German. That said, since DIN stands for Deutsches Institut für Normung e.V., I think you might be able to guess where these connectors come from. Yes, indeed, it's Germany :-). Cheers! Digital Brains (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello. I am aware of the DIN standards (which cover more than circular connectors, for instance DIN 41612 backplane connectors, which were also used on some of the same computers. However, the user manuals never called them that.)
 * The connectors on Mac serial ports themselves were not made in Germany: in fact I doubt any computer system used German made Mini-DIN connectors. Typically they were made in Japan or Taiwan by companies like Molex or Foxconn.


 * The circular DIN connector profiles were initially designed in the 1950s for home audio equipment in Germany, but that is not especially relevant to the 1990s computer industry, forming a kind of Genetic fallacy. There is a German DIN standard for just about every other type of connector used on those computers: for instance, DIN 41652 for D-subminiature ports. The Mini-DIN connector, on the other hand, does not appear to have any DIN number assigned to it, so I suspect it is not a German DIN standard at all, but a Japanese design miniaturizing the well-known circular DIN 41524 and its relatives. 71.248.161.202 (talk) 15:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi! I don't really agree with your argumentation, but it's not really relevant. The end result, removing German from the article, I can completely agree with. But you appear to be right that mini-DIN is not actually a DIN standard! :-) I never realised that. Dah31 on Talk:Mini-DIN connector says they appear to have once been specified by IEC/DIN EN 61076-4-106:1995, and DIN EN are the standards that did not originate at DIN, just like D-Sub did not originate at either ISO or DIN, or more generally in Germany. I could not find anything more concrete than Dah31's remark. Thanks for the history lesson. Digital Brains (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy to help clarify an often confusing issue. I don't know when the Mini-DIN connectors were first introduced, or by which company (Maybe Hosiden?), but they were definitely in use before 1995. Is the 1995 revision the first published for that IEC standard? 71.248.161.202 (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)