User talk:7107delicious/Archive 1

Request edit of your old user page
Hi,

Please can I ask you to change your old user page to remove the accusation that I continue to "delete my efforts in helping Wikipedia out, and has made it clear than I am unfit to use this user". This is completely untrue. I have removed a couple of your edits on my talk page, and have explained the reasons why on your old talk page. I have never stated that you are or ever have been an unfit to use your user. If you think I have, please show me where, and give me the opportunity to put explain what I meant, as this was never my stance. As far as changing user name, you approached me asking how to go about it.

Thank you. Stephen! Coming... 16:35, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * As you have not been online for the last day or so, I have taken the liberty of removing your personal attack against me and User:Mikhailov Kusserow. I would ask you please to review the Wiki policy of no personal attacks.  If you have an issue with me, please come to me directly; I will be more than happy to discuss things with you.  Or if you feel that you cannot, then bring it up at the admin's notice board where you will receive advice from impartial sources.  Please be aware that personal attacks can result in blocks. Stephen! Coming... 12:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for removing that accusation I made using the old user, but I am still holding a "grudge" against Mikhailov Kusserow. You see, he's warning me for committing to vandalism, while in real life, I have never vandalized Wikipedia under the name "RuleOfThe9th". In that case, you should contact the anon-editor and discuss this incident. Thank you.--7107delicious (talk) 12:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I've had a look at the interaction between the two of you, and my suggestion is this: Let it go. Yes, he may have given an inappropriate warning to you, but if you are going to expect an apology, I think you will be disappointed.  The thing that he was objecting to (and yes, a non-templated note would have been helpful) is your answering on behalf of others on their talk pages .  You raised this at ANI, and it did highlight some odd edits of this user.  However, archiving or deleting notices from talk pages is not to be taken personally.  What people do on their talk pages is up to them - provided it isn't a personal attack, BLP violation or spam.


 * I know you have an ambition to become an admin, and that is a fine goal to aim for. But you need to stop letting every little thing get to you about what others get up to.  Should you file another RFA, people will look back over ALL your edits (both with this account and also with your older account).  What they will be looking for is signs that you can keep your cool in a crisis.  Yes, your older edits won't help, but if they see an improvement in how you handle situations, and don't let things get to you, then you may well succeed.


 * If you want to see examples of original research, POV, COI violations, you only need to look at some of my earlier edits! So don't worry about your past mistakes - just let it go.  Also, don't dwell on other users' past mistakes against you, as that WILL be held against you.  Here are a few things that are liable to happen to you should you get the mop: you'll be insulted; people will vandalise your page like nothing else; other people's problems will somehow become your fault; people might try and impersonate you and give the appearance of a vandal; you'll get newbies asking the same questions over and over again; people will accuse you of racism/anti-semitism/other hate crimes, all because you deleted an advert.


 * This is why it is important not to dwell on the past - should you be given admin powers, you will have the potential to block users. Administrators are needed to keep their cool no matter what is thrown at them.  Put yourself in my shoes now... had I written something about you, accusing you of saying that I was not good for the project, or something like that.  How would you have reacted?  How would you have reacted if you had the power to block me?  Would I now be indefinitely blocked?  Or would I be reading a message asking me to withdraw the comment and justify my position?


 * So, to cut a long story short (whaddaya mean too late?), forget about Mikhailov Kusseraw and remove any comments from your userpage that indicate that you are even bothered by it. And next time you post on someone elses talk page, make sure that you are talking to the user, and not replying on that user's behalf - they might not like it!


 * By the way, you mention on your current user page that you had "controversies with an administrator". As Mikhailov is not an administrator, I can only assume you mean me.  I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but comments like that won't help people look favourably on you as a user.  They may jump to the (incorrect) conclusion that you were a vandal, or engaged in edit wars, possibly reported for incivility, or many other things.  I'm not saying admins are always right, but on the whole they are a trusted bunch of editors.  As a result, people might decide without looking into matters that you are automatically in the wrong.  I suspect that this is not the message about yourself you wish to put across.


 * I'm not saying I handled the situation between the two of us correctly, but I did what I thought was right at the time, and under the same circumstances, I might even do the same again (although I might word things differently). If there was anything that I said to you that you did not like, then I would rather you say so - being an admin is a learning process, and I appreciate that I will make mistakes.  However, it is only by being told what I did was wrong, or how others might have handled things differently, will I hope to learn.  And don't worry about offending me - as an admin, my skin is naturally thick.


 * If you have any questions or comments, please don't hesitate to say. Stephen! Coming... 16:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

If someone had given me the mop, and that he/she considers me liable to use the mop correctly, I would warn you four times, before reviewing the disruptive contributions and blocking you. You see, everything begins with a simple subject (in Wikipedia, it starts with a general warning.) {{Uw-vandalism1)) is a simple example of these kinds. Should you have any inquiries regarding the incident, I will contact you ASAP, or drop me a message in my talk page.--7107delicious (talk) 13:07, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

And what do you refer as "skin"?7107delicious (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thick skinned - the ability to withstand criticism. Stephen! Coming... 13:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The link is dead - is this a Wikipedia page? Tell me where the original page is. It's a dead link, there, Stephen. Can I call you Steve?--7107delicious (talk) 14:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thick skin - my bad. As for my name, please call me Stephen - I'm not keen on being called Steve, but thank you for asking.  So many people just assume that Steve is fine.
 * About the warnings you mentioned you would use, you spoke about using templated warnings. You do need to be careful as to what warnings you use.  Vandalism warnings are fine for vandalism, but shouldn't be used with (for example) personal attacks.  If you have a look at WP:MLT and WP:UTN there are a whole host of useful warning templates to use.


 * Before you go ahead and use them, you do need to think about when to use them. When someone used one on you, you were more than a bit put out.  Have a read of this essay: WP:DTTR - I suspect a lot of the problem would have been sorted before it even became a problem had you received a note of explanation rather than a templated warning.  Also, read the edits/deletions made by the suspected vandal - is it really vandalism? Have a look at what is not vandalism.


 * There are a number of essays linked on that WP:DTTR page, all of which (whilst not actually Wikipedia policy) are very good practices. If you do your best to follow these practices, then you will find editing wikipedia a lot less stressful, and a whole lot more enjoyable.  And if you are ever in doubt as to what someone's motives are? assume good faith! Stephen! Coming... 16:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!--7107delicious (talk) 11:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

{{done}} Deleted all the info you told me to remove.

BTW, the name of the anon editor I told you was Kusserow, not Kusseraw.--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 11:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Assuming that the German WP-blocked 202.47.69.212's registry was incorrect
I need some administrators like YOU to change the registry of the IP address, in which in reality is registered as HIGH SCOPE INDONESIA. I am worried that the IP used was also blocked on the English WP. I can assume you that this registry is incorrect and must be change.--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 10:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * May I suggest that this is something which you should take to WP:AN/I? --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 19:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Malingsia dan tentang saya
Saya adalah seorang yang berstatus berkebangsaan Indonesia, dan saya memang secara fisik berpenampilan seperti bangsa perantau dari negeri tirai bambu yang pada umumnya berkehidupan maju di negeri jiran.

Saya merasa kecewa juga dengan beberapa aksi yang terlalu menyalahkan bangsa Malaysia. Saya merasa bahwa negara-negara yang seperti Jepang, Cina, India, dan beberapa negara lainnya yang lebih jauh maju dari Indonesia juga banyak yang dijiplak bangsa kita yang mulai agresif ke arah "adu domba" bagi bangsa yang awam.

Terima kasih atas pesannya, salam.

 Relly Komaruzaman   Talk   19:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Betul sekali, kebetulan juga saya merasa bahwa tindakan yang diambil para pengguna www.malingsia.com itu sesuatu yang dilebih-lebihkan. Terima kasih atas komentarnya.--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 09:13, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Kepedulian terhadap sesama
Secara pribadi, saya merasa tidak diperlakukan secara manusiawi oleh suatu etnis tertentu. Jujur saja, saya tidak ambil peduli dengan manusia yang telah memperlakukan saya seperti manusia rendahan sejak usia dini hingga hari ini. Perlakuan yang tidak menyenangkan menjadi trauma abadi di pikiran saya. Kesimpulannya adalah I don't care about the disaster.

Ucapan dari kejujuran.  Relly Komaruzaman   Talk   07:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Etnis apakah yang memperlaukukan Anda secara tidak manusiawi?--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 10:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Tanyakan juga pengguna lainnya di Wikipedia, apakah mereka peduli akan musibah tersebut?--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 10:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Salah satunya adalah etnis yang baru saja tertimpa bencana.
 *  Relly Komaruzaman   Talk   12:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox for Warnings
If you're going to use the warning sandbox, please clean it out. Especially if you use warnings that add categories, like username concern, or indefinite blocks. Thank you!--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 11:56, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip, but how would I do so?--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 16:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Got your e-mail. Sorry, probably should have watchlisted... Anyway, to clean the warnings sandbox, just delete everything below the header.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 19:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks.Boeing7107isdelicious 23:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

October 2009

 * Despite my best efforts to read your edit as carefully as possible, I did not realize what the purpose of the page was. The edit has been reverted and I have removed the warning message. Please excuse my error and accept my apologies. Alansohn (talk) 16:03, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I accept your apology. Just remember to be more accurate next time. Cheers, --Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 16:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

barnstar
for signing my user page, here is a barn star.

  The Orangesodakid Guestbook Page Barnstar   

This user has signed orangesodakid 's signature page.

regards-- Orange soda  kid  15:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! My second barnstar after December21st2012Freak's guestbook signature. I was forced to bring it myself back to my talk page:).--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 15:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: User talk:ArchitectBoiseIdaho
I don't think it's going to matter with regards to the username warning you gave that user. Anyways, I was going to ignore Architect's benign threat/tirade on Jimbo's talk page, but after his following two edits I could not as his intent was clear. Anyways, thanks for your concern. MuZemike 01:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Look lively and closely. That username is very close to constituting a company name.--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 01:42, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep, indeed it was unclear, and is written like a public complaining.--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 03:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I just updated my signature.
Here it is, --One moment, Reciever | Thank you for your instructions. 03:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Private info
Don't ever give out private info, like a name, as you just did on Jimbo's talk page. It's been suppressed. See WP:OS. — Rlevse • Talk  • 10:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What personal information? I forgot.Boeing7107isdelicious 08:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought you might benefit from a mentor
So I suggested it at Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The discussion is still ongoing at WP:ANI. You should know that we (the admins) want to help you become a good editor, but we are baffled as to some of your edits.  Please can you come back over to the discussion, and explain some of your more recent edits? Thank you. Stephen! Coming... 17:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Before you do any more edits like this that amount to little more than saying "I agree" which add nothing to the value of the page, please can you come to the discussion explain your edits? There are a few admins that are getting a bit twitchy about your edits. Thank you. Stephen! Coming... 09:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Again, I had to change my signature
Something that reflects the username itself. Someone asked me to do so.Boeing7107isdelicious 10:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

It seems that I....
...am unable to stay away from Wikipedia, so I canceled my Wikibreak.Boeing7107isdelicious 02:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

RE
yep, been likeing Coldplay since Parachutes. Have fun!-- Coldplay   Expert  02:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. I love them as much as you do!:)Boeing7107isdelicious 08:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sad....
Because my friends are underestimating Wikipedia :(Boeing7107isdelicious 03:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Grr
I clicked the fake random page link on your user page and it took me to the article on genital warts. You bastard. Abyssal (talk) 04:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Mind your language, there sonny! User:Professor Fiendish once used this kind of trick. Check one of the old revisions in the history tab to check it out.Boeing7107isdelicious 05:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

And I am not
going to use personal attacks again. Several Wikipedians have decided not to talk to me, such as User:ZooPro. I will leave a personal aplogy on his talkpage, as soon as I decide the future of my account.Boeing7107isdelicious 07:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

WikiBreak
Today, I decided that I would cancel by semi-retirement and turn it into a WikiBreak instead. I will be back by December 6.Boeing7107isdelicious 07:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

ANI Notifications
Dear 7107delicious, I just wanted to drop you a kind note and let you know that you forgot to inform an involved editor in the thread that you opened on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Don't worry! It's been take care of it. Just wanted to gently remind you to make sure to do so when and if you open a new ANI thread in the future. Thanks!!! Basket of Puppies 06:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Final Request
Instead of raising non-issues or taking part in discussions that appear to be resolved at WP:ANI, please answer the quiz questions.

In the case of the comments at ANI about Steel2009, I have removed them as they could potentially inflame the situation. There was nothing there in what Steel2009 typed on ANI that could be construed as being rude; in fact he was saying that he had accepted what was being said and had entered into discussion with the other editors. You going in to this discussion which was nothing to do with you and making comments like that can easily result in a flame war.

So this is your final chance to keep me as a mentor: If you do not make a start on answering those questions, then I will assume that you do not want me as a mentor and are happy to carry on editing without my support. Stephen! Coming... 11:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * And there you have it, my opinion. I do think about it, sometimes. I do think about my independence from you whenever I feel I am in a Wikipedia coup d'etat with you.--Boeing7107isdelicious 03:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Apology Accepted
I accept that you are still learning and that u made a mistake. Now for goodness sakes PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE listen to Stephen and do what he asks of you and chances are you will never get a warning from me or any other user again, But you must listen to Stephen I personaly have looked over the mentor page he assigned you and i must say u are VERY lucky to have someone willing to devote that much time to you, i would have given up along time ago. Good Luck for the Future.  Zoo Pro  23:51, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I did, on the mentor page.--Boeing7107isdelicious 01:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar
Hi BIONICLE233 here! I signed your talkpage and want the barnstar but when I copied the code it shows my signature and not yours. If its not to much trouble, you'll have to do it for me. Here is the link you should put it: User:BIONICLE233/Barnstars. Thanks! I Hope you do not mind. BIONIC LE233  ♥♠♣  15:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ - Boeing7107isdelicious 01:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Your request for rename
@Kate  (talk)  16:58, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Boeing7107isdelicious 02:21, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

re:Message diatas
Why must?? i don't understand. Is there any policy bout that? my english isn't good enough. You can Indonesian, so kenapa harus susah-susah pakai bahasa Inggris kalau bahasa Indonesia bisa bikin kerja makin cepat? But, i will try it.. just if i spend my time in english wikipedia... NoiX180 (talk) 13:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Baca WP:TALK buat bacaan lanjut/Read WP:TALK for further reading. - Boeing7107isdelicious 15:02, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Y
 * Jika elu ngerasa kalo elu perlu bantuan penjermahan formal, tanya aja di WP:EMBASSY. Sebagai alternatif, elu bisa nyalain fitur "GoogleTrans" di preference elu.

''If you feel that you need a formal translation, just ask WP:EMBASSY. As an alternative consider activating GoogleTrans on your preferences.'' - Boeing7107isdelicious 15:11, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, i don't need them. Thanks... I rather enjoy for translating english to indonesian NoiX180 (talk) 16:16, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello
Im just posting to let you know that Ive posted both on ANI and [|CHU] about you. -- Soap Talk/Contributions 04:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

WP:ANI
You must notify others when you start sections about them on ANI. I have not fixed this for you. Notify the user you are discussing, please. Hipocrite (talk) 08:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Don't bother; I did it for you; and I really don't care for further noise about this. Happy Editing! Jack Merridew 08:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

End of Mentoring
7107Delicious, following your recent edits, I have taken the decision to step down as your mentor. For the full explanation as to why, please see my post on User talk:7107delicious/Mentor. If you have any comments or questions, please drop me a line on my talk page. Stephen! Coming... 08:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * StephenBuxton, it is hard for me to see you leave. But before you do so, I would like you to delete that page for me. - Boeing7107isdelicious 10:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

User:7107delicious
Hi. Well, now we've met. I see that you will no longer be involved with me and that would be a wise move. I also see that you're exiting some sort of mentorship and would suggest that that might not be the best course for you. I'm just finishing up a year of mentoring and it's been quite beneficial to me and the project. *nods* at your editnotice: I'm also getting the blackouts; I live here, too. Jack Merridew aka david   03:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Well first of all, I do not want to be involved in the incident any longer, as per that thread on WP:ANI. I have warned you, yet that issue still continued, so I decided to hand this matter over to the experienced. Well, it wasn't the best, but at least I have an agreement with you. Even a 1-2 month mentorship is benefical. It's just lucky I didn't get these blackouts anymore. The local electrical company (Perusahaan Listrik Negara/PLN) was a total "watchmanship" of the Jabodetabek area; the Muara Karang - Gandul power line was said to be disturbed, yet the Gandul power station was still online. I see that Bali is getting the blackouts too. I experienced it a year ago, when I traveled there. It was a heavy downpour the night before, and areas such as Nagara, Candidasa, Ubud, Kuta, and Denpasar were affected. Looks like the power station in one part of Bali was either struck by lighting, or soaked to pure wetness. The hotel I stayed in though, was not affected. - Boeing7107isdelicious 05:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * You do understand that I'm a very experienced editor on wikipedia, right? I was editing here before the tsunami hit Sumatera and before the tsunami of 'anyones' arrived to fill this project with trivia and noise. I don't see your 'warning' as being appropriate or of much help to anything here; you're free to offer it but I see you got little traction at the drama board. I don't know what agreement you think we have; I noted your comment that you would not be involved with me and do recommend that course to you. I've agreed to nothing re yourself, or my sig use. Regards, Jack Merridew 07:15, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * are you not done?

I saw this and find it odd that that you referred to my talk page and given these  am concerned that you're stuck on the silly sig thing? Regards, Jack Merridew 07:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * All of those were merely tests;read the talk page's notice above. Boeing7107isdelicious 07:51, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Nice ;) Don't poke the bear. Regards, Jack Merridew 11:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
A8 UDI  02:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Garuda Indonesia
I re-reverted your edit. Two reasons: Firstly, your reference does not state it remained the worst air crash, making your edit WP:OR; and secondly the fact that it "remained the worst air crash" is irrelevant because it is out of date. When was it surpassed? How long was it the worst air crash for? Why is it worth noting? Davidelit (Talk) 10:33, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a few reasons for you to return the edits. First, though it is outdated, it still remains as the deadliest air crash in Indonesia's history. And part two, it was never surpassed by any air crash in the area. It lasted, for like 12 years and still unsurpassed. It is worth noting, citing that the Garuda Indonesia Flight 152 article states the similar information, though it continues to state that it was the worst single-air crash in the country's debacle history. Obviously, you can try googling for the List of aviation accidents in Indonesia, and see if any of the other air crashes here (Indonesia, apparently I live here) surpassed the record death toll of Flight 152. If you believe that the reference is good enough to ensure this statement, please replace the reference I placed on the article, and place the new reference on the article. But for the moment, and if you believe that this is all gibberish, keep your edits. Führer der Wikipedia! 14:04, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * For claims like this, "big claims need big sources" applies. Verifiability and no original research, two cornerstone policies of Wikipedia, demand no less from us. Orderinchaos 21:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. Have a go with this link, and see if you can find "the worst air disaster in Indonesia", anything worse than Flight 152.Führer der Wikipedia! 04:56, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I am getting bored of my old signature!
So I decided to create a new one that's attractive.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 10:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * A minor point - firstly, using a signature which does not contain your username, while not against the rules, is confusing for those trying to contact or discuss with you. From WP:SIG: "A distracting, confusing, or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users." Secondly, the use of "Führer der Wikipedia!" may be seen by many Western observers as prejudicial to good faith, given its Hitlerish connotations; additionally, its literal translation "Leader of Wikipedia" may be interpreted as arrogance even if not meant that way. I'd strongly suggest changing it (and re-including all or part of your nickname in such a change). Orderinchaos 07:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Could you also change your settings to make this page legible? I got a talkback message saying there is a message for me on this page, but I can't be bothered to hunt for it amongst the headache-inducing text... Davidelit (Talk) 07:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd say that sig is pretty offensive. Coupled with the Hitler quote on your user page, I say that it's all deliciously deliberate on your part. Methinks you had better wise up fast. Regards, Jack Merridew 07:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * So long as he doesn't mind being routinely referred to as Godwin's loser the signature is fine with me personally. (The Hitler quotation is ungrammatical and not particularly offensive. It's an invective against his highest officers.) Hans Adler 08:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * For those who oppose Hans Adler's comments, I remembered of a Wikipedian whose signature claims that he is the "empire of West Wikipedia", but he is not blocked. Now then, for this issue, to what signature should I use?  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 10:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC) 10:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I am going to change the signature, as per Orderinchaos' suggestion above. I will replace it with a better signature, so as to prevent confusion  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 10:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅. Changed the signatures above to the new one. 7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 10:27, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Good - thanks for that. Orderinchaos 14:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, the quote from Hitler is not about his highest officers. There was a lot of animosity between the Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS, as both wanted to be regarded as the main pillar of the state. For the Wehrmacht generals, the Waffen-SS were newcomers, while for the Waffen-SS, the Wehrmacht generals were conservatives. This animosity has little to do with actual differences about politics (there were differences about both the war planning and foreign policy issues on one hand, and there was some opposition to the Nazi regime in parts of the Wehrmacht). I don't see how this quote can actually interpreted as something that could be used to ridicule either Hitler or the Wehrmacht generals, so I do not see any purpose for the quote. The quote may be seen by Nazis and other far-right people as an encouragement to put other Nazi quotes in the Wikipedia, so I strongly suggest to remove that quote. Cs32en  15:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * FWIW, Cs32en, I have removed the quote previously, as I too find it inappropriate. Kate (talk) 16:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll admit I don't speak German at all well and that, as the edit summary stated in Kate's diff, I used an online translator which aren't exactly reliable. However, it didn't seem offensive to me and so I reinstated it. Hitler should not be ignored. Yes, he was a bad man, but if we remove everything to do with him, we've learned nothing and something like that may one day happen again. If it can be proved that it is inflammatory, then by all means remove it. Don't just remove it because it's Hitler saying it. However, an argument could be made that it makes no contribution to Wikipedia and can be removed by that reasoning (and honestly, I can't see what it has to do with anything). -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 17:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that we should ignore that asshole, but that we should try to keep things off of our user pages that may offend others. The quote offends me, so I removed. You reverted me, which is fine, and I saw no need to edit war. I agree completely with Jack that this is deliberate on 7107's part and if he doesn't wise up, and quickly, he may find himself on the wrong end of a banhammer. Kate (talk) 17:07, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * In the quote, Hitler actually complains about the military not living up to the ideal that it purports to represent. Hitler wishes the military to be more militaristic than it actually is. (Video sequence here.) Without any commentary, it is unclear whether the person who uses the quote approves of this view or not. User:7107delicious may not be aware of the actual meaning of the quote and the historic context, so I'd give him the benefit of doubt for now, and I'd be interested in his view of the issue. Personal comments on Wikipedia user pages are o.k., as long as WP does not substitute for a personal webpage. However, we may need to determine whether the quote, without any additional comment or context, would constitute propaganda of fascist ideology or not. Cs32en  17:19, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said, if the translator messed up and it is offensive, then delete. If it serves no purpose, which, after a re-translation, I'm leaning towards, then delete. However, according to the user page policy, I could say I'm a Nazi or a member of the KKK and nothing could be done against me (on Wikipedia, anyway). I can understand why someone would be offended by any sort of Hitler quote, though. And, just for the record, no, I'm not a member of either of those groups and they can go screw themselves. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 17:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:UP also says: "In addition, there is broad agreement that you may not include in your user space material that is likely to bring the project into disrepute, or which is likely to give widespread offense (e.g. pro-pedophilia advocacy)." The policy item about support for regimes is probably more related to statements of support for Iran or Israel, which may be regarded by (presumable distinct) groups of Wikipedia editors or readers as endorsements of violence. I'd agree that the wording of these policy items could be improved. Cs32en  17:42, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

&larr; Ah, thanks for clearing that up. -- Thejadefalcon Sing your song The bird's seeds 17:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations and such things
I noticed you commented on a few of these recently.

The idea of the SPI pages is to be as concise as possible - it's not like AN/I where all sorts of conversation and argument happens. The proper use of the comments section in SPIs is to give useful information to admins. An example - A user is being investigated and you know that it was the same user who got into a mad fight on a different article that you were involved in, and you can link to that discussion. Or the reporting party may be harassing someone by starting the investigation (I've seen vandals do this against good faith long-term users before) and you understand why they are doing this, so can report on those.

But if you don't know anything about the case and offer a comment, it means the admin has more to read. No-one ever blocks on SPI without checking the facts carefully, and admins and long-term users have more experience of dealing with these sorts of cases to know what to do. Also, without knowing the facts, you may, without even trying to, upset someone or inflame the situation. It's best, unless you are really sure what you are doing, to leave it to others. Orderinchaos 14:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Separate subject
Youre a school kid yes? You have english yes? well that does not mean that you wander through what is admin territory with in most cases no sign of understanding what is going on. Your questions at experienced editors talk pages suggest you have not a clue. Best trying to keep your editing in places that you might have a capacity to understand. If you dont understand - dont play with these comments or I will suggest that you are in the wrong place SatuSuro 06:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

.1.4 Comments by other users

''* Blocking only the IPs used are not enough. To ensure that we can finish this case, the sockpuppeteer must be blocked as well. 7107Lecker Tischgespräch, außerdem... 9:16 pm, Yesterday (UTC+8) o The puppeteer is most likely User:JuliaHavey, who has already been blocked for her legal threats. rspεεr (talk) 2:20 am, Today (UTC+8) + And apparently, she plays the main "antagonist" role in this SPI case. But is this block indefinite? 7107Lecker Tischgespräch, außerdem... 1:12 pm, Today (UTC+8)''

This is after an admin (above Orderinchaos) has pointed out that you are neither experienced enough or even show any sign of comprehension of what the issues are - or why you might be in that space - the interaction I have copied shows that you are entering space that makes you the troll - and one with little understanding about any of the warnings that you have been given in this current identity or previous ones (earlier user names etc) - any outside observer would consider that you in fact have not learnt anything - apart from going into space on wikipedia that is not usually the domain for a low edit serial identity nuisance - unless of course you wish to prove otherwise.

Coming over as an expert and authoritative german and english speaking editor from Jakarta is a bit much - you should try to listen to the advice - by others who are significantly more experienced than you are  - rather than ignore it and play with it... ignoring it will be your peril - not theirs. SatuSuro 06:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I am currently in the middle of school projects, so I wish for all Wikipedians to prevent using my talk page as a complaints desk during that period. I've created a separate page, to which you can send complaints about my edits, and if you wish, make a request for blocking page, in which after the consensus has been reached, you can block me for the strange, and viable edits.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 06:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Your talk page is for other editors to communicate with you. It's not really "yours" - you don't own it. If anyone has any comment to make on your editing, it will be made here.   pablo <sub style="text-shadow: 3px 3px 3px rgba(255,255,0,0.75); color: #c30;">hablo. 07:05, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

You clearly have no idea what wikipedia is about - if you are indeed in the middle of school projects - and you dont want fellow editors to complain - then very very very simple - dont edit - because you are simply asking for trouble the way you edit - and show more and more you really dont understand what wikipedia is about. I am not an admin and I would not ask for your blocking - but would request (a) simply to understand that if you are in the middle of school projects - what the hell are you doing editing wikipedia? (b) so I wish for all Wikipedians to prevent using my talk page as a complaints desk during that period - pointless - you do odd edits - expect the complaints. (c) find a dictionary - and try looking for the word abstinence - and ignore the bit about sex - look at the essence of the word - you need to think Is school more important? - or shall i write a comment in wikipedia? Abstain - would be a good idea if you think about it carefully - no one is going to give you a grade or result here - apart from crowding your talk page with comments about your stupid signature creations. Your wikipedia editing is not something you can be proud of - try doing better at school - at least you cannot get blocked out of existence at school - well not the last time I checked what my children were doing..

User:7107delicious span style=color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF; 7107Lecker User talk:7107delicious span style=color: #FFA500; Tischgespräch, außerdem...

that really should just be User:Lecker and suprisingly - you - and a lot of people would be most relieved of an unnecessary plaything which has not helped. If you want attention - I would suggest many other ways of seeking it that are better than being labelled a serial pest on wikipedia.

Then when school is over - and you have holidays or time off - try looking at why people have complained about your behaviour - think - what can I learn about that? rather than playing or ignoring the comments SatuSuro 07:09, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Then file it (WP:RFC/U). My patience is growing loose. You don't know why I made these odd, stupid, frivolous, insipid, and arsehole edits? Because I am being steamed up by my friends who call Wikipedia "cacat", "jelek", and they continue to persuade me to leave.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 07:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Patience or not - you are still missing the point - and seem to have limited understanding of what I have just written - this is an online encyclopedia - not a kids play thing - find something else that doesnt get your school friends teasing you - and try to do some school work! Dont spoil your chances here or at school by being bothered about further edits SatuSuro 07:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Why are you telling me that I am gaming Wikipedia - using it as a playground - ? Is it the WP:INA collaboration nomination I handed over? You cannot take sides - the words "find something else that doesn't get your school friends teasing you is superbly insulting! You know, if you want to get this over with, send a post to WP:ANI. You don't know that what I know as an expert in English, is what my father had told me about. Both school and Wikipedia are important, but what you don't know about my school, is that I am nearing the end of the term and I am having a free time during Plan-Do-Review. Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you that the program I just told you is the project we 8th graders always do before the end of school - we are supposed to select a specific topic and hell, you are supposed to research and make a product that is related to the topic itself, and well you are supposed to make a project and well, oh I'm just making the lines well too long.

First of all, I can consider your words "You have no idea what Wikipedia is" WP:PA - do you think I didn't know what Wikipedia is the first time I was here? You can ask another editor to block me for the messages above, but think of this: if I left Wikipedia, and that it benefits the community, what do you expect from that? And if I refuse to edit, do you think, that this will benefit the other Indonesian related editors and Indonesian Wikipedians, because I left a hole in the reviewing department of WP:INA? I work there, and all I wanted to do was to rate articles. But since I can't seem to find any Indonesian-related articles without the rates, I decided that I would edit the Wikipedia pages. So if you want to add more pages to the restrictions StephenBuxton gave me earlier, you'd be my guest.

But hell, you're right. I guess I do need to rethink about it: why do I even bother go into WP, when this is causing my friends to call Wikipedia names? Why do I even go into Wikipedia, when I am actually using it as MySpace? So, based on the opinions above, I've decided to go to any other websites other than Wikipedia, so I've decided to leave Wikipedia if I continue to make user conducts in the current manner.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 09:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Interestingly I'd never heard of "plan-do-review" being used outside of early childhood education (I'm an educator myself). It does make a lot of sense as a strategy though.


 * Re the above: from my observation, StephenBuxton was trying to help you, not hinder you - had you followed his guidance more carefully, you would have found yourself with more friends than enemies at this point. SatuSuro also makes some good points. The picture I get when I review your edits is of a well-meaning but inexperienced editor who has waded into numerous areas without clearly comprehending the social nuances. I've been a Wikipedia watcher and observer as well as an editor for over 4 years now, have been an admin for almost 3 years, have even had a hand in shaping some policies and guidelines, and there are still things I don't involve myself in because I consider those already there better equipped to handle them.


 * One of the problems with this place is that it's not one that one can just "jump into". That's partly because of the times we are in - when I started editing in late 2005, you could start working anywhere you liked in any way you wanted to (as long as it wasn't offensive or vandalism), as entire areas of content were missing, what content there was in many areas were abandoned looking stubs, etc. Many policies we take for granted now didn't exist then or were much more simple. But Wikipedia matured - it grew up. It got to the point where the "low hanging fruit" had all been picked. And it's harder to edit in almost any area without messing something up. Also, a sort of social community has developed to manage (regulate?) editing on Wikipedia, and unintentionally breaking its unwritten rules can result in grief. Hell, it even happens to me sometimes, and I know the terrain reasonably well. So it's not just about the editing, it's about understanding the culture before wading in. And there's no page which explains that - in some ways it is beyond explanation.


 * As a humorous note - some time ago I went onto the French Wikipedia and saw something that needed fixing. I proposed that it be fixed, as it needed admin tools to do it. Before I knew it, entire processes of which I knew nothing were opened up, the matter was debated and resolved in a way consistent with that community's procedures (different to enwiki's), and I was called "l'ignorant de wiki" (an ignorant of the wiki!). It happens. Orderinchaos 17:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm getting the point now, and I've learned my lesson. SatuSuro has made me aware of this. Based on your experience stated above, it is made clear that I would rather avoid pages such as WP:SPI and only to pages that I understand. Hell, I just knew that you had the same experience I had during these times! Well, Wikipedia has grown into "The Big Apple", and you can't do anything about it. As for your entrance in 2005, no one even asked me to go to Wikipedia, that is, until 2008! And the first time I knew WP:AFD, was on July 15, 2009, when I just registered my old account, RuleOfThe9th! Well, at least I got the message: I will not spend my time arsing around Wikipedia only to find myself in an area I have never been to, to which only the experienced knows the best, which caused the entire misunderstanding.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 03:40, 11 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Well if that is the case - you and everyone else will have an easier time coping with you and your edits - dont worry about others experience or time on wikipedia - just focus on things that you can do without causing yourself or others trouble - and you might just survive :) SatuSuro 08:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Just thought you'd like to know
That your user page is overlapping, you can fix it if you want to. Cheers, Abce2 |  If you would   like to make a call..  01:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Classic case
What are you doing there? why are you even bothering? is it anything to do with what you are editing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_requested_for_Cathar11_-_Persistently_pushes_personal_views_in_an_article - the earlier lengthy comments were in part querying your need to be anywhere near that noticeboard (1) you are not an administrator (2) there is no sign that you have anything to do with the articles or the editor (3) this is what editors have been concerned about - you should not worry about such stuff - it is out of your domain/area of editing SatuSuro 02:31, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Part of me is uncertain about this. Just because someone doesn't fit (1) or (2) doens't mean they can't chip in at AN/I. I've chipped into a few threads here and there when I'm not involved. It's part of my learning process if I decide to become an admin. If they're saying stupid things (I haven't checked the link (got fed up of the loading time)), then fine. But don't say they can't go there simply because they're not an admin or it's not related to them. In fact, an editor who appears out of the blue with no interaction at all is sometimes exactly what a dispute needs to calm down. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 02:45, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Wrong, wrong and wrong.


 * 1) For a start you are using anothers signature -  Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds  02:45, 13 December 2009 (UTC)  wrong

SatuSuro 03:20, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) It's part of my learning process if I decide to become an admin - wrong - going to the admin noticeboard is not the way to do it - read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Admin_coaching - and if you read it carefully - you will see diving into the noticeboard is not the way to adminship by any means - or even understanding what WP:NOT
 * 2) But don't say they can't go there simply because they're not an admin or it's not related to them. - read comments by orderinchaos above - again - very slowly and carefully


 * ... (scratches head) Umm... actually, I am Thejadefalcon. I'm really not certain what gave you the idea that I was someone else in disguise. Check the diff. I just happened to see this thread and chip in. So, do you, err... want to edit that comment so it's applicable to me? -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 03:24, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Apologies to both editors - it looked very odd at my talk page when I thought it might be 7107delicious sending a link re talk - it is now that someone else with an equally annoying signature is in fact a different user - who was inviting me to look at his comments at the third party talk page - a practice I would not encourage SatuSuro 04:33, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Here we go again, with the classic case. SatuSuro, tell Thejadefalcon, Orderinchaos, StephenBuxton, and Tide rolls, that we all meet in the ANI with a new thread. If we can't finish this case in an orderly manner on our talk pages, then the final road to the completion of this case is the ANI. You're the one that started the case, so I believe you should start this case, and then I will do the debate along with it, along with a space for the consensus, to either agree or to moot the admins of blocking me. You have been trying to inflame the situation with those comments over and over. Do you think, those who start vandalism-related are all syspos? Wrong, wrong and wrong! Call me when the threads done. Contact all users, to which I have been interacting to, in the past few weeks. I do not want to inflame you, or any other administrators, to which will result in a block. Ask the ArbCom for a ban, that looks fine to me. As long as you do not extend this situation to the RFC/U.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 05:27, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * rubbish - keep editing - and try to improve - a bit better english comprehension would help a lot - there is no issue - just read the messages and take note of what they say - there is nothing about blocking you - just read some more - that is all you need to do - to mention ANI and arbcom has nothing to do with any of this - try improving your english comprehension SatuSuro 09:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Replied on your talk page, SatuSuro. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 14:27, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * SatuSuro, please stop using the word rubbish, and similar inflaming words. Be aware that you warned me above for attempting to inflame some incidents to which I was the uninvolved party. But in this thread, you are inflaming the situation. Please, just stop using those words. (Apparently, I am editing sporadically for the WikiBreak period.)  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 04:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

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linking users
I am coming across accounts linked to you, through other accounts that you have, and it's getting difficult to figure out what's going on. For example, some of your accounts have you listed as retired, and yet you're here. Please add a link to this page on all the talk pages of your users. Thanks, Griffinofwales (talk) 03:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the list:


 * User talk:RuleOfThe9th - former account
 * User talk:Das Sicherheit - alternative account

How many accounts do you think I use for editing Wikipedia?  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 07:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I have found more. Primarily linked to the RuleofThe9th account. Perhaps there are others you do not remember? Griffinofwales (talk) 15:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean socks? I have to see the accounts to see if they were used.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 02:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll get to you with a list tomorrow (2000 UTC Sunday). I remember one distinctly (that did make contributions), but I believe there were more. Griffinofwales (talk) 03:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright! Just tell me which of those accounts are connected to my old account, and the current account as well. Some may be some accounts that do not appear to be connected to my account, but more to someone attempting to get me in trouble.....Nah, can't be true.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 03:16, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Never mind. You worded it like you owned the account(s), but after reading it in a different way, I saw what you meant. Sorry for the trouble. Griffinofwales (talk) 23:42, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikibreak, etc.
Your talk page has said for about a week that you were on a long Wikibreak and would not return until February. However, you are still here in full force. You may wish to remove the Wikibreak template until you actually go on one. Also, some of the extra "features" you have installed at the top of your user and talk pages (the banner with your user name and the shoutbox) interfere with viewing and especially paging through diffs of the pages (they cover part of the diff IDs and navigation arrows); you may want to remove these so they do not interfere. Finally, please take another look at your customized message at the top of the edit box on your talk page; some of it looks a bit hostile, and you may want to refactor it.—Finell 01:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC) (To preserve the continuity of the conversation, I will watch for your reply here on your Talk page.) 


 * Actually, I was about to tell users that I was editing sporadically. However, seeing that I am still on full force, I shall be looking forward to the removal of the banner above. And since no one is writing short messages on my talk page, I am also looking forward to the removal of the shoutbox as well. What do you mean as being "hostile"?

Hey wait! I'm ✅ with the shoutbox and the wikibreak message already. I currently have no plans of removing the banner above, as I need to remove the header on three other pages as well.  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 02:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking care of those two items. I was referring to the following statements as potentially being perceived as hostile:


 * There are ways of dealing with abusive comments {reverting is the quickest) or, if necessary, the editors who post them. It is not necessary to SHOUT AT EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO LEAVE YOU A MESSAGE!!! That assumes bad faith, and trolls won't heed your warnings anyway. Also, there is no reason why posting on your talk page would disturb your sleep (one of the advantages of cyberspace over meatspace), so #5 is not constructive (not to mention the fact that talking about "nighttime" or "9 pm", without a time zone, is meaningless on a worldwide site like Wikipedia). Also, you banner has an exclamation point that links to this non-existent page: User talk:7107delicious/Mentor. What is that about?—Finell 03:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. The bad faith issue. Yeah, I was looking forward to change the header itself.

2. The mentor page. I think you would have remembered the WP:ANI post "7107delicious seeking attention", where StephenBuxton was another involved administrator in the issue. He told me that he was about to give me his mentorship. At least, it lasted before that "End of Mentoring" message right above...  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 03:32, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Bot code on user subpage disabled
Just letting you know I disabled the bot code on your user subpage which was copied from WikiProject Indonesia's front page. The reason for this is that it gets fed into a processing cycle and the bot may get confused as to whether it should be updating your subpage or the project. Orderinchaos 07:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Take care
You have sufficiently cast particular comments about me on this talk page and at another. Please stop before I ask a third party to review the issue. In relation to my archiving or not archiving - that is not for you to judge or make comment about - if I wish or choose to not get into discussions with editors on review (which Jade Falcon is on) - that is my perogative - and is nothing to do with you - if you are so interested in my edits - feel free to check them all if you wish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SatuSuro.

BTW the comments you were putting on the Indonesian project page were to edits that are 2 years old in most cases. Please note the main place for comments is at the noticeboard. Thanks SatuSuro 12:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I really don't see what your objection is about talking to editors on review. I really don't see what that has to do with not answering any questions, but as I said on my talk page, I don't give a damn any more. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 19:39, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Why is Thejadefalcon replying to messages addressed to you here? Is that another account of yours?—Finell 21:03, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * ... Yes, I am an account of 7107delicious. /sarcasm If you're worried, open up an SPI. It'll be the highlight of my day. XD Seriously, have you never heard of talk page stalkers? I just loved how socking was automatically your first thought. I answered here because I was curious about something that SatuSuro said here and because if I asked on SatuSuro's talk page, he'd just archive it like the last time. I also saw no point in forking the discussion when keeping it in one location reads better. This is the same reason I'm replying to you here. Please be careful with accusations of socking in the future. Do I have any German on my user page? Do our signatures or contributions look alike? Besides, on top of that, I've been here for months before him. That'd make 7107 my puppet, if it was true (and I invite a Checkuser to confirm it's not). -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 21:14, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I asked a question. That is all I did. I did not make an accusation. I did not open a sock puppet investigation. Further, not all alternate accounts are prohibited by WP:SOCK. Also, 7107delicious admits that he has alternate accounts. Thanks for the courtesy of a Talkback; however, for future reference, I automatically watch all pages that I edit, so it is not necessary.—Finell 21:36, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (sighs) I'm sorry. I'm still pretty... distressed(? Unsure if that's the right word for my feelings) from something that happened last night, had issues with a few sockpuppets lately, not too thrilled with SatuSuro's lack of a useful response to any of my questions and I took it out on you by mistake. Okay, blank slate time. No, I'm not an alternate account. I'm an entirely separate person who just lurks around other people's talk pages, ready to eat vandals and help out with any queries. -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 21:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's OK, we all have moods. Thanks for the reply. Best wishes for whatever holiday(s) you may or may not celebrate around this time of year.—Finell 22:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Hilft mich
I am unable to create a category about Kidzania theme parks. How can I make one? And where?  7107Lecker  Tischgespräch, außerdem... 11:18, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just go to Category:{desired name} and add a description of the category there. Then go to the pages you want to add and add at the bottom of each page. I hope this helped you. -- The  Grim  Reaper  11:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Er, Sorry About the Change in Signing
Just for the holidays!  7107delicious  Weinachtsgespräch 11:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Your frequent signature changes are not constructive and are annoying, as others have told you. If you wish to be taken seriously around here, you should curb your immature behavior.—Finell 12:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Frequent? Really? When was the last time I changed my signature prior to this? Immature? What immature behaviour?  7107delicious  Weinachtsgespräch 12:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you believe I am another account of SatuSuro, making sarcastic comments such as the ones above? Yes, I am another account of SatuSuro /both comments are sarcastic. Then what about ? He changes his signatures very frequently. If you feel that none of my edits are helping this project then fine, I'm leaving the project. You would benefit from my departure /yet again, sarcastic and slightly mad.  7107delicious  Weinachtsgespräch 12:11, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

<div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Sun-sans; background-color: #0000">
 * Frequent sig changes?
 * 7107delicious ''' Weinachtsgespräch
 * 7107Lecker ''' Tischgespräch, außerdem...
 * Boeing7107isdelicious
 * That's a selection of just three from this month.
 * pablo <sub style="text-shadow: 3px 3px 3px rgba(255,255,0,0.75); color: #c30;">hablo. 12:23, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Signature
It seems you miss the point too easily - when it comes to messages on this page - you tend to play with messages from others, rather than show any comprehension of what is being said here in WP:AGF - your signature is still an issue - you need to get rid of most of the junk in it - there really is no need for it - try to understand that some of the people who have taken issues with parts of your behaviour and signature are in fact warning you - unless you have some serious challenge with the english language or a really serious wikipedia death wish (a lot of your editing suggests that you willingly or unwillingly are asking to be reprimaned) - prune it while the going is good - there is no need for a two line signature format - regardless of whether others have so - it is a sign of not really understanding that this is an online encyclopedia and not a kids play space SatuSuro 06:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

There are a bunch of comments on your page that amount to requests that you change your sig; and not to something yet-moar dickish. I suggest you use a very canonnical sig such as: Sincerely, Jack Merridew 14:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * <tt> User:7107delicious </tt>

STOP
My user name is not a play thing - also this is meant to be an online encyclopedia - see WP:NOT if I see one more usage here I will ask for a third party intervention. SatuSuro 23:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Err... what? Who's using it as a plaything and how? O.o -- Thejadefalcon <sup style="color:#03C03C;">Sing your song <sub style="color:#00A550;">The bird's seeds 00:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at this page - self evident SatuSuro 03:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * In which section? Sometimes, I believe that I am just making enemies here. Also, is it inappropriate to use your username in User talk:Sandbox for user warnings? Is it inappropriate to use your username, whenever you are involved in an incident and that it must be reported to WP:ANI? Whatever it is, out of the contents above, are those things (the sandbox and WP:ANI) inappropriate. If you feel I am endangering Wikipedia itself, I'm leaving the project. /sarcastic  7107delicious  Weinachtsgespräch  12:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Since you raise the issue of your continued participation in this project, how about offering us some insights into why you're here. I'm seeing a whole lot of attention-seeking and low-grade disruption; things like the immature sigs, the odd formatting of your talk page—which I just nudged in a better direction. As SatuSuro has said, there are some things you need to stop. Jack Merridew 16:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delicious: Since you asked (in a prior thread above), your so-called sarcasm, without actually answering questions, and being evasive about alternate accounts, are additional examples of your immature behavior here.—Finell 18:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I wanted to join Wikipedia because I feel that some articles need some expansion, and so I hopped in into two WikiProjects recently. I am not being evasive: the fact that I changed into this account was a result of being unable to change names. Instead I concentrated on user talk pages, and at the same time I expressed madness in real life. I will not remain sarcastic for far too long, as I am just tired of being called immature. I will edit constructively, and will not use immature sigs. Actually, I was planning to return it into the MediaWiki default format but then I also thought about editors who are annoyed with the frequent change.  7107delicious  Weinachtsgespräch 01:21, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If you make just one more signature change, to MediaWiki default format, and stick with that, no one will object. I suggest that you announce that change as a separate item on your talk page. If you want to be taken seriously, an editor has to act as though the editor takes Wikipedia seriously. You have required a lot more time and attention by others than have most editors here, including some junior high school students with less experience here than you have.—Finell 03:07, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

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