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This article reads overly biased and disassociated from reality of the practice. There are several sources the suggest potential positive outcomes of myofascial release. There is no room in this article for that representation. We can have both skepticism and acknowledgment that there is a current lack of support from the scientific method, while also incorporating an approach that acknowledges that the field is open to further research. Using frank language, not incorporating that research and POV is dumbing down the readership.

The work around fascia and its role in the body, facilitation of muscle formation and separation, and its connection to nerve endings are also well documented.

Right now, the article reads incredibly biased. Or, colloquially, “closed minded.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4634830/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK526038/

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/muscle-pain-it-may-actually-be-your-fascia
 * Discuss your concerns about bias on the article's talk page and wait for a consensus before making similar edits. You have to do more than convince me (and I'm not convinced), you must convince enough people who edit the article that you have legitimate points. And you should not make unilateral decisions about the content of the article. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. Sundayclose (talk) 17:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

There have been several other people with the same critique. I am presenting the necessary research to contribute that there is NOT a strong scientific consensus to refer to myofascial release as a “pseudoscience.” There is a growing consensus that there is room for further research, and that should be enough to not use such conclusive language as “pseudoscience.”

This same inaccurate and circular interpretive approach is also being displayed on the Mehmet Oz page. If you want to critique alternative medicine, you should do so in the alternative medicine page. Dr. Oz does not promote what he refers to as “pseudoscience.” He promotes what he refers to as “alternative medicine.” If you disagree with alternative medicine’s science, you should be doing that in the alternative medicine page. Otherwise, you are promoting inaccuracy and misrepresentation of an individual’s work.
 * Your complaint is baseless: the article on Myofascial release doesn't even call it "pseudoscience". It falls under the heading of "Alternative and pseudo-medicine. Drmies (talk) 17:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

My complaint is extended to the term “pseudomedicine.”


 * Again, take your concerns to the article's talk page and wait for consensus. Please click all the blue links here and read the policies. That's how things work on Wikipeida. Sundayclose (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * My complaint is not "extended". I just note you are complaining about something that isn't there, which is...well, a waste of everyone's time. But let me complain about...eh... Drmies (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * My* complaint is extended towards the use of the word “pseudomedicine” for a field that is still open to further research by practicing experts in its field.

To say something is “not supported by good science” is not objective language, and my edits were only to capture the language of the authors of the study referenced. It’s like saying pizza at Domino’s is good or not good based on one review, and an inaccurate paraphrasing of the review in fact.

Wikipedia is going downhill and it infuriates me. I am no longer donating.

February 2020
Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Mehmet Oz. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 17:23, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
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