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Your removal of Sea of Tranquility references from Free (OSI album) and Awake (Dream Theater album) and Twelve-step Suite
Hi. I noticed you've removed the Sea of Tranquility references from the above-mentioned articles, citing the fact that you haven't heard of the author before. Aside from the obvious logical fallacy (not knowing who someone is doesn't make their work unsuitable for use on Wikipedia), the reason I use Sea of Tranquility in Wikipedia articles is because it's a reliable source. Free (OSI album) - one of the articles which cites Sea of Tranquility - has passed the rigorous Good Article review procedure, and I received no complaints from using the source.

"You need to learn how to reference. Or what a reference is, really." Thanks for the advice, but I already do. If you think your own standard for what a reliable source is doesn't supersede Wikipiedia policies drawn up from consensus among a large number of Wikipedia editors over a large amount of time, you'd be better off bringing up your objections here, rather than going through and doing things yourself first.

If you have any further reasons for removing the source and corresponding content, do say, and preferably without the personal attacks. Otherwise, I'll re-insert the content back into the articles. Una LagunaTalk 09:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Nothing you can say, or do, can really change the fact that you are using Wikipedia as your self promotion tool, which I hate the most about this website. It's not me that haven't heard about the website, it is the entire web community. Your website looks like something from the 90s to be honest, and I highly doubt that anybody actually reads it. As a matter of fact, not knowing someone DOES make your source unreliable for Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29

From the horse's mouth, and you have a link to it, too "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable."

Fits the bill quite perfectly if you ask me, You see, you can actually write "Batmaz of Sea of Tranquility" anywhere you want to mean something, but all that means to us is "My aunt with spectacular music knowledge living in the next door". It is not an insult saying you are not a reliable source, it is a fact. You can put these in all you want, I will take them out. Look at it this way, if anybody who thought they had an opinion about anything published their ideas (which is free and pretty easy) and then reference them here, then we would end up with an unreadable junk of text.

I'll make you a deal, if you become a progressive rock guru at some point in your life and a good critic on a more respectable site, I will personally create your Wikipedia page myself. Until then, please stop with it.

p.s.: you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT use your website as a reference for the this

Portnoy's struggle with alcohol was the subject of "The Mirror", a song from Dream Theater's Awake, released in 1994

you are not the origin of that source, you can easily find it though. It was the basis of the "self promotion" claim, because instead of actually researching it, you just gave a reference to your web site, which just ticks me every time I see it.

You might find it weird, but nothing I said is aimed towards you. I find your reviews seem pretty reasonable and well written. But it is not about me or you. Good Article doesn't mean much to me, however, Featured Article does.

Cheers


 * Sorry to disappoint you, but it's not my website. I've contributed nothing to it. You have no evidence to show I have contributed to it (because there is none). You may have noticed I've used other obscure websites (which pass WP:RS) for those Wikipedia articles, such as Transcending the Mundane. But that doesn't mean Transcending the Mundane is my website, either. I've used those websites as sources, as I have said, because they pass Wikipedia's reliability criteria (the content on the website is subject to editorial oversight) and because their content enhances the article. And before you ask, no, I didn't write Lifting Shadows, either.


 * I will gladly replace the use of Sea of Tranquility as a source for the "Mirror"/alcoholism statement if you can find one (the more sources cited in an article, the better); I myself couldn't find a suitable source.


 * Again, let me reiterate: I have not contributed to Sea of Tranquility. In fact I have contributed to no websites of the sort. I don't know Murat Batmaz. If I had contributed to a website which passed WP:RS, I wouldn't be vain enough to cite it in an article I was working on. Jumping to conclusions is a dangerous thing to do. Una LagunaTalk 19:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)