User talk:75.172.193.70

University of Toronto
While I applaud your enthusiasm for editing, I hope you take pause and consider what opposing editors are presenting to you. With regards to the University of Toronto article and the content you added, allow me to explain why I reverted it in detail:

1. "and is the seventh oldest institution of high learning in Canada as well as the oldest in the province of Ontario."

First off, the source you present is specifically for universities, not for "institutions of higher learning". These are not synonymous terms in Canada (as in a number of other countries), with the latter term being a catch-all phrase for universities and colleges (so the first issue here is the source). As a result, that source does not rank federated institutions of higher learning such as the Université de Saint-Boniface (which was established in 1819).

2. " The university contributed to the development of gridiron football along with McGill University in Montreal and Princeton University, Columbia University, and Yale University in the United States."

I mean, I don't really have an issue with the content itself (others editors may though). I originally changed your added content to "One of the earliest recorded instance of gridiron football occurred at University of Toronto's University College in the early 1860s," in an effort to generalize the lead.

However, another editor changed it to reflect what is written in the sources provided in the article body. And honestly he was right in doing that, considering that the sources used for the "first football game" claim support his version of the sentence (there is no source used in the article that claims the contrary, and you've yet to present one yourself). Keep in mind, the WP:LEAD is a reflection of what is already written in detail in the article body (the lead should not be introducing new details that is not explored again in the article body). What I would suggest you to do is find a source that supports your preferred sentence/runs contrary to the present prose (that the first documented gridiron game wasn't in 1861), and expand that in detail in the article body (and also the lead).

Best of luck and happy editing! Leventio (talk) 01:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate that you're personally enthusiastic about the University of Toronto, Leventio. Unfortunately lying and misleading by omission is quite easy to catch.


 * 1. "First off, the source you present is specifically for universities, not for "institutions of higher learning". These are not synonymous terms in Canada (as in a number of other countries), with the latter term being a catch-all phrase for universities and colleges (so the first issue here is the source). As a result, that source does not rank federated institutions of higher learning such as the Université de Saint-Boniface (which was established in 1819)."


 * If anything, "institutions of higher learning" is a broader term than universities so this would make University of Toronto slip even further down the list. With that being said, "institutions of higher learning" does not have a unique meaning in Canada. It means a college or university. And we're speaking about founding date here. Please stop removing sourced content.


 * 2. "I mean, I don't really have an issue with the content itself (others editors may though). I originally changed your added content to "One of the earliest recorded instance of gridiron football occurred at University of Toronto's University College in the early 1860s," in an effort to generalize the lead."


 * Of course, you don't because you're clearly a POV editor! Anything that equates University of Toronto to an Ivy League school you find perfectly worthy of keeping. How convenient!!! Since University of Toronto is clearly not of Ivy League-status I agree it should be omitted!


 * Best of luck and happy editing! 75.172.193.70 (talk) 01:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I am the another editor who changed the sentence in the lead to mention that the first recorded gridiron football game was played in 1861 and there were two sources to back that claim up later in the article. Johnny Au  (talk/contributions) 01:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Again, present a source that states its the seventh oldest institution of higher learning. I already explained to you in detail that your source is specifically for universities, not institutions of higher learning (which as you described, is not a unique meaning in Canada and can mean a multitude of things). We are speaking about founding dates, and I've already presented to you that it is definitely note the seventh "oldest institution of higher learning" by founding date. Your source on the founding dates of universities is irrelevant when discussing a prose on "institutions of higher learning".


 * As for the second thing you said.... when I was saying "I mean, I don't really have an issue with the content itself," I was talking about YOUR content, not the current one (hence why I had your preferred content quoted above). And regardless of whatever you may think of other editors, how does that change the point that you have yet to provide a source that runs contrary to the football claim, or the multi-touch thing for that matter? Leventio (talk) 01:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Again, applaud the effort to find citations. But you still need one for multi-touch. Also, I'm not sure what your trying to insinuate from these past few edits... but I monitor every Canadian university article... so unless you wanna insinuate I'm a student of all of them. Leventio (talk) 01:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)