User talk:75.87.45.210

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Hi, I reverted 2 of your edits (Fastball and Fountains of Wayne single chart edits). What "newly discovered info" are you coming across? I have a Pro subscription to Billboard, and their archive for Alternative songs shows none of those songs charting. In fact, Alternative Airplay/Modern Rock chart only goes to #40, and some of those positions you added in is past 40. Maybe you're looking at a different company? Xanarki (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

RESPONSE - Hi, I got an indie source, a guy named Michael Lee who I met through Reddit who compiled for years all the songs that ever charted on Alternative through #100, not just Top 40. His list is over 200 pages long and compiles artists who charted between the years of 1987-2019. It says "Compiled from Billboard, Radio & Records, CMJ New Music Report, The Hard Report, and Mediabase 24/7"

He also writes:

"Some of you readers are familiar with my CHR/Pop Hits compendium, which I published in the ‘00s in response to the drastic changes made to the Billboard chart method- ology in the early ‘90s, basically rendering the Hot 100 worthless when it came to identifying Pop radio hits. I will always maintain that traditional radio play is the actual perception of a song’s hitness; we can’t hear the ca-ching of the cash register [I’d’ve said back then], nor can we now hear the click of the button on iTunes. Nor does what any one individual hears on Spotify etc. tell any real stories about the flow and ebb of popularity; radio will always be the place in my old- fashioned heart.

So my methodology then inspires my methodology now, for the available chart history of Modern Rock/New Rock/Alternative radio. I utilized the “New & Active” section of Radio & Records to estimate an approximate peak position for songs which didn’t make the Top 40 (or Top 50, as the case may have been at the time). This is wholly imper- fect, at the caprice and whims of what songs the editors opted to feature, and how many titles were featured, depending on the printed page layout and other various factors the publishers found applicable at the time. A detailing of the available songs and available chart sizes will follow; but suffice to say, songs which did get airplay may not have been featured for one reason or another (including gaps in my ability to review the publications for the information!).


 * The problem with that, is that your edits are falling under "Billboard's Alternative Songs Chart". R&R had a completely different chart listing for Alternative songs, The Hard Report had their Top 100, Billboard had their charts, etc. It sounds like your indie source is compiling all of these together and merging it into one, which wouldn't fall under Billboard's official listings. And he even said it himself that they are just predictions.


 * Also, for the record, I don't agree with using Billboard as the only reference for singles chart history. Clearly, other publications like R&R and The Hard Report had different views, and some songs charted on those but yet not on Billboard (as you may have noticed). But, Wikipedia currently only uses Billboard, because it's larger than the other publications, and has outlived/existed longer than the others. However...there are some pages I've noticed with a different row, such as "R&R Top 100", "The Hard 100", alongside "Billboard Modern Rock", etc. Maybe in the future, that can be changed, but a lot of discussion would have to happen, first.

Xanarki (talk) 20:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)