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DYK for Alard du Gaucquier
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you @ MFD
Thank you for your level headed and reasonable response to that MfD comment. CHRISSY MAD ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:28, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks for the kind words! Swister at times gets a bit overzealous regarding what should be deleted (my opinion, coming from an admitted inclusionist), but he does an awful lot of good work, plowing through a mind-numbing amount of trash that truly needs to be thrown out, work that few other editors are willing to do.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:52, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty much on the very far end of the deletion spectrum (I nominate a lot of things for deletion) and even I find this ridiculous and against what AfC actually is but yeah...I just appreciated your level headed comments in a rather heated argument. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Precious four years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Eddie Baxter
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File:Dana Data.jpg listed for discussion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Dana Data.jpg, has been listed at Files for discussion. Please see the to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 20:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of article "TRI Pointe Group, Inc."
Hi there. We are trying to create an article for our client, a business. It was published yesterday but you requested a speedy deletion on the grounds that the information was promotional. Do you have specific feedback or can you tell me which portions are promotional so we can edit them? We'd just like an informational page for our client. Thank you. 2600:8802:5500:610:59A8:CCA5:3C46:52F7 (talk) 17:40, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't want to be unkind, but in this case I hardly know where to begin. This is from a company's website promoting itself, or a promotional brochure for a trade show.  The is very, very little that is encyclopedic about the draft.  How could anyone view such phrases such as "combines the resources, operational sophistication, and leadership of a national organization", " focused on delivering superior and high-quality design for its buyers", " innovative floor plans, countless design options, and construction quality" in anything other than a promotional light?  The intent of every word and every paragraph is to present the topic in a favorable manner.  I note, in the future you must disclose your conflict of interest when working on any article at all related to yourself or any of your clients or their areas of business.  I hope that is helpful.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – August 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2017). Administrator changes
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hmm
No email enabled...and I was just about to invite you to my annual disco party... Drmies (talk) 02:30, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Wha??  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:49, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I just checked my settings, it says my email is enabled, that other users may send me email. What's the secret cabal password?   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:50, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm maybe I was blinded by your science? I don't know--I could have sworn it wasn't there. Let me try sending you an email! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh shoot I forgot--it wasn't for my disco party. Ah well... Drmies (talk) 02:52, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Not just you, I just tried from my oh-so-secret sock account, and it wasn't there.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:53, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Doh! That's because I haven't enabled email on this account.  I received your kind message.  Shellacked! (talk) 03:08, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

15:29:07, 16 August 2017 review of submission by Dlestre19
I appreciate your thoughtful and specific feedback! However, I believe this article does meet the notability standard. As shown in the second paragraph, the library system has received significant coverage in national, secondary sources independent of the library system, such as Library Journal and Computers in Libraries. These are not mere mentions but full articles on programs and initiatives that CPL has instituted and for which these national publications have deemed the system notable enough for coverage as a model for other library systems.
 * My apologies, I meant to get back to this some time ago. That's a lot of references, and they're still almost all related to the subject. Because the Library Journal and Computers in Libraries sources are offline, can you tell me a bit more about them?   Are they more than casual mentions, or included in a list?  Are they a sentence each?  A paragraph?  A whole article about CPL?
 * Also, are resources such as "Knightsville Branch Library. (n.d.). History. Cranston, RI: Cranston Public Library." available anywhere except that library? If not, it probably fails verifiability, because it is inaccessible to almost everyone.  Thanks for your continued efforts.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:02, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. I appreciate your time and attention to this, as I learn the ropes. The article in Computers in Libraries is a 6-page article on CPL's ALL Access program. This program is also mentioned in a paragraph in a Library Journal article on library services to job seekers. CPL was also featured in a half-page profile in Library Journal when it won the 2016 LibraryAware Award. other, more local sources are primary sources, either internal library documents the staff was kind enough to share, or historical society publications the library has in its local history collection. I understand that these aren't verifiable from a distance, but I can't think of better sources than the actual primary documents for the topics they support. And the fact that these facts are now available to those who wouldn't be able to access teh sources otherwise could only benefit readers, I imagine. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlestre19 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Fun with Two Ton

 * Two Ton (via NewspaperArchive.com)

A 1972 news article about Two Ton. It seems that the parrot on the pirates show came from a Danish ship and only spoke Danish. A good thing too because according to Two Ton, when he/she did have something to say, it wasn't very nice. ;) We hope (talk) 14:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Superb, thanks! I'll add things in (unless you want a go at it, your contributions are always incredibly helpful.)  One of the Tribune articles mentioned the parrot who had a filthy vocabulary, but because the bird only swore in Danish, nobody could understand it anyway.  I didn't include it in the article, but it is an amusing scenario.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:01, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I don't have access to that.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:04, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Now this is bugging me because the NewspaperArchive clips are supposed to be viewable to all just as the Newspapers.com ones are. Does this one or this one show up for you?  Will gladly add it to the article, provided others can see it. We hope (talk) 15:22, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Just did this File:Two Ton Baker 1949.jpg if you can use that too. We hope (talk) 15:38, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That was his most commonly used publicity photo (but that's easily the best-quality version I've seen).  I believe I will replace the image in the lead spot with this one, and move the pirate shot down in the article.  And I'm afraid I can't view the article with either of the two links you most recently sent.  I can see that there's an article, but the print is too small/fuzzy to read.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:49, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Frustrating because you have to shrink the article a lot to get it all in one clip and then unless you're a subscriber, you don't have the option of viewing the whole page where the story can be read easily. :-( We hope (talk) 16:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I added your new photo, and a note about "Squaky". Let me know if you think the layout is ok.  Unrelated, and more decidedly off he beaten path, but do you by any chance have images of Con Maffie (radio organist), Eddie Baxter (Dot records organist in 1960s), or Roy Wiggins (Eddy Arnold's steel player)?   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the layout is fine! Let me start snooping.  Re: Con Maffie, there may be a pic or two in the radio magazines at Lantern.  We might be able to get to some eBay pics of Eddie Baxter and/or Roy Wiggins or even from Billboard ads. We hope (talk) 16:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)


 * File:Con Maffie 1931.jpg Con Mafie 1
 * File:Con Maffie Maytime promotion 1937.jpg Con Maffie 2 ;) We hope (talk) 17:30, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Holy cow, you are truly amazing.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:52, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * File:Eddie Baxter 1966.jpg Still at it, ;) We hope (talk) 18:31, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This one (Wiggins) is disappointing. There are quite a few non-free photos of him but it seems like back in the pre-1964 days, Eddy Arnold got all of the "face time".  Arnold was involved in real estate and property development in Nashvile, with Wiggins working for him in that vein as well.  The photo is from 1961 when Wiggins and Arnold were photographed when Arnold's Iroquois estates was opened. If we're patient, something better may come along. ;) We hope (talk) 20:07, 18 August 2017 (UTC)


 * File:Roy Wiggins Eddy Arnold 1961.jpg
 * File:Roy Wiggins 1961.jpg
 * Again, thank you. Baxter looks like a Warner Brother's toughie, not an organist, wouldn't wan't to meet him in a dark alley!  I had seen pictures of Wiggins in some of the Arnold books, but I haven't found any pictures of Wiggins solo, not even on the two LPs I own which features his solo guitar.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2017 September newsletter
Round 4 of the WikiCup has ended and we move forward into the final round. In round 4, a total of 12 FAs, 3 FLs, 44 GAs, 3 FLs, 79 DYKs, 1 ITN and 42 GARs was achieved, with no FPs or FTs this time. Congratulations to Peacemaker67 on the Royal Yugoslav Navy Good Topic of 36 items, and the 12 featured articles achieved by Cas Liber (5), Vanamonde93 (3), Peacemaker67 (2), Adityavagarwal (1) and 12george1 (1). With a FA scoring 200 points, and bonus points available on top of this, FAs are likely to feature heavily in the final round. Meanwhile Yellow Evan, a typhoon specialist, was contributing 12 DYKs and 10 GAs, while Adityavagarwal and Freikorp topped the GAR list with 8 reviews each. As we enter the final round, we are down to eight contestants, and we would like to thank those of you who have been eliminated for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia. The lowest score needed to reach round 5 was 305, and I think we can expect a highly competitive final round.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:35, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Peter G. Davis
You deprodded this article on the grounds that this guy reviewed for those journals. But the citation given in the article doesn't even mention him, let alone that he wrote for them........--Smerus (talk) 14:14, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No, but a Google Books search quickly shows that he did.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:19, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, tks........--Smerus (talk) 19:17, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a bad PROD, and I'd have no issue if it was taken to AfD, I just think that someone may have an offline source (Opera News?) with more detail, it seems a lot of his work was done at the dawn of the internet age.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 22:19, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Question
What would draw you to this page? I'm trying to attract more people who might want to join the project but I feel like something is missing ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 22:33, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Dinah. I'm not sure what would draw people to that page. The wikifauna pages aren't as active as they used to be, and haven't been for a long time. You've added the correct categories, so you've already done what I would have recommended. Sorry I'm not more help. (This is my alternate, non admin account since I'm editing from my phone in a public place on an unsecured connection) Shellacked! (talk) 03:45, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Nordia Lee Witter
Hi you recently declined the speedy delete of the above article. I checked her discography and from what I can see she has appeared on only 1 recording. the google news search that you mention in my opinion doesn't throw anything more than a few passing mentions and a articles about her wedding where it says she is "an up and coming pop sensation" or "budding singer". None of this meets WP:GNG I think. I'm editing in France and maybe the searches are not throwing up the same as you; Could you tell me which articles you think will mean she meets GNG because for me she clearly fails WP:NMUSIC hence the speedy? cheers Domdeparis (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi I am not asserting notability, but the article can make a credible claim of notability.  I'm particularly looking at the Jamaica Gleaner article of March 11, 2013, the Jamaica Observer article of July 18, 2014, and the Jamaicamusic profile.  I am not certain these are reliable sources, but I am declining speedy, which is a much stricter criteria than PROD or AfD.  I would recommend the latter.  The middle section of this article is horrible, replete with weasel words and promotional-ism, and comes across as WP:ADVERTISING.  I hope that helps.  Thanks for your work here!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * OK Thanks for the reply, I'll nominate for AFD. Cheers Domdeparis (talk) 16:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Adastrauk
I hate being "that guy", but this clearly is a promotional account. The site adastrauk.com does indeed go to a company located in Chichester they bill as a"Business Development and Marketing Agency". Can you have a second look at this? RickinBaltimore (talk) 11:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That is *not* a stable website! Last night it was not working.  This morning it is.  I have now looked at the site, agreed with your analysis, and have blocked the account.  All the best,  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 11:23, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh, it was there each time I looked at it, weird. Thanks though for looking again, sorry to been a pain about it! RickinBaltimore (talk) 12:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries at all, thanks for the explanation!  <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 13:46, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

EC Racing User Name
I have added the description of my user name to my user page per your request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EC Racing (talk • contribs) 12:31, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Happy editing.    <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 13:46, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for Two Ton Baker
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Alan Akaka
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

On the Bogdanoff brothers becoming memetic
I made a short edit to the page of the Bogdanoff brothers that remarked on how they've become an online meme for criticizing, or self-referencing absurdist political and scientific ideas.

It was taken down because it is not "verifiable"/ has no "reliable source".

This is very silly. The abstract behavior and humor of a hundred thousand different people cannot be summarized so easily, therefore a citation is impossible. Simultaneously, a simple google search https://www.google.com/search?q=bogdanoff+meme&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib2NKIubnWAhWl0FQKHZ2oD7gQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=615 shows that there is a very recent influx, and a massive amount of results referencing and parodying the Bogdanoffs, showing that this... "Event" *needs* to be on their wikipedia page, because clearly they've become notable for something, even if accidentally.

PrivateHazzard (talk) 18:44, 22 September 2017 (UTC)PrivateHazzard 9/22/17
 * this is not silly at all. In fact, verifiability and No Original Research are at the core of what Wikipedia is about.  If and when this "abstract behavior" is noticed by Reliable Sources, then please add this information to Wikipedia, with a citation.  Citations can be difficult, let me know if I can help with those.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 18:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi not-an-IP, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! Cheers, ansh 666 19:22, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia logo size
What size is Wikipedia's logo? I can't find the image itself anywhere.--I did something very wrong (talk) 15:13, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
 * there are several around. I'll admit I have never thought about it.  Does this one work for you?: File:Wikipedia-logo.png?   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:58, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks--I did something very wrong (talk) 19:56, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Prizren
Can you link Prizren (disambiguation) in Wikidata? The link to the WD item is at the bottom of the page. Also link Prizren Municipality in WD.77.179.19.59 (talk) 16:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Terribly sorry, I'm not sure what you are asking. Wikidata currently has an entry for this disambiguation page, as well as a page for the Albanian city.  Are you asking me to make an edit here are Wikipedia, or at Wikidata?   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:38, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thank you,, that was very kind.  <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:16, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – October 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2017). Administrator changes
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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

I also like
Haystacks and I've been to Silver Spring. Just so ya know. Legacypac (talk) 04:50, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hah! I pretty much figured.  Depending on your involvement in youth activities, I hope your time in Knot Tying was better than mine!   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 04:58, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm an Adventurer Director now - we don't do knots :) Legacypac (talk) 05:11, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Let me know if you need a pianist, I know the old theme and the current one.  <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 05:12, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

15:23:10, 5 October 2017 review of submission by JoeTooSerious
Hi, my username is JoeTooSerious and I've submitted a page for the new Philadelphia Atoms, a professional soccer team in the American Soccer League. I guess it was rejected for lack of citations to prove notable. understood... I've added more citations, but also should note that the Philadelphia Atoms are in the ASL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Soccer_League_(2014) and several of the other ASL teams already have Wikipedia pages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Lancaster_Lions, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_United_FC, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Fury & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SGFC_Eagles_Maryland). Hopefully we can add the Atoms along with the Fury, Mass Untied, SGFC & Lancaster. JoeTooSerious (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for writing, and thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia. I'd like to give a couple of tips.  First, have you read Your First Article?  If not, I'd really recommend it.  The template for "American Soccer League" ends at 1983.  Is this the same league, or is it a new league that borrows the name from a defunct one?  Regarding other teams having a page, please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, the reason I bring this up is because the sources you added still aren't about the Atoms, or aren't independent of the subject.  On another note, phrasing such as "to give hard-working local American soccer players a chance to play professionally" comes across as promotional to me.  I hope that is helpful and not discouraging.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

21:11:06, 12 October 2017 review of submission by RobertBeck
This is the fifth update to the draft, each one rejected -- my client has continued to massage the copy to make it less "market-ey", and contends that this latest revision is no different in content and tone than other Real Estate developer pages that are approved (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergrande_Group, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poly_Real_Estate)

If you are about to reject this one as well, please do me a favor and indicate the exact verbiage we need to change to get approved. I am a developer with little Wiki background -- my only job is to post the revisions and although I'm making 'bank on all the re-tries, I really want to wrap it up, make the client happy, and be compliant with Wiki rules, vague and arbitrary as they seem to be interpreted. unsigned comment by }} 21:11, 12 October 2017‎

Thank you! Robert Beck
 * I'll try not to be unkind, but it is not my job to give you "exact verbiage." The problem is that you have a WP:COI, that you are paid  to write an article that promotes a company by giving it the exposure a Wikipedia article brings.  That makes it VERY difficult to write objectively.  The main problem isn't any specific prose I can point to.  The main problem is that if I summed up the draft, it would be "Here's this company.  Here's the management team.  Here's the products it offers.  Here's the subsidiaries."  What's encyclopedic about that?  What makes this company have an impact on the business or cultural landscape?  Before you do anything else, you must immediately follow the instructions at Paid-contribution disclosure.  Also, please review WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS regarding the other articles.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:21, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Regarding deletion of the Veblen-Commons Award
1) I am the chair of the awards committee for the Association for Evolutionary Economics (AFEE), an academic organization disseminating the ideas of Thorstein Veblen and John R. Commons. 2) My charge: to write an article on the Veblen-Commons Award 3) The article I wrote for Wikipedia was submitted to AFEE. They placed the article THAT I WROTE on the AFEE website. I wrote the article for Wikipedia that AFEE decided to place on their website. In no way did I violate copyrights. 4) I will have the article on AFEE taken down. 5) Please feel free to contact the President of AFEE, Geoff Schneider Geoff email: gschnedr@bucknell.edu 6) I assure you, as a professor and academician, and I hold the violation of copyrights seriously. I DID NOT VIOLATE THE COPYRIGHT LAWS. My apologies for our confusion. 7) If acceptable, I will have the article on AFEE removed and resubmit the Veblen-Commons Award article originally drafted for WIkIPEDIA.

Thank you so much,

John P. Watkins Professor of Economics Westminster College 801 550-5834 jwatkins@westminstercollege.edu jpwatkins2@gmail.com unsigned comment  18:27, 16 October 2017‎


 * Hi Jpwatkins2. Thanks for your note of explanation.  First, please do not get stressed about this.  This situation is not uncommon, and people accidentally violate copyright all the time here.  We won't take action against an editor unless the copyright violation is either obviously willful, or happens repeatedly such that it is determined the editor lacks the competence to edit here without violating copyright going forward.  I have no reason to doubt your explanation, but I have to point out that since the verbiage was originally published on the site, and not here on Wikipedia, that actually your website DOES hold the copyright, and under current conditions we can't place it on wikipedia even if it is removed from the AFEE website.  My recommendation to the webmaster would be to place a Creative Commons license on the AFEE website.  However, that does get to a more serious issue, and that is you have a significant conflict of interest regarding AFEE.  Before you take any further action, please disclose your COI on your user page, and it would be good form to disclose the COI on the talk page of any draft you create.  You have otherwise done things correctly by submitting this in the draft space, and letting other editors vet it for its appropriateness to the encyclopedia.  I hope that is helpful.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 20:27, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Jpwatkins2: thank you for your explanation. Several points: 1) I was not paid to write the article. 2) Conflict of interest--if I understand you, as a board member of AFEE, if I submit an article to Wikipedia for publication regarding an award given by AFEE, that constitutes a conflict of interest? Of course, I have an interest in conveying what the Veblen-Commons award means, the ideals and aspirations of AFEE, and the methodology and vision of evolutionary economics as a research program. But I have no financial interest in the matter; I am not a paid for my services, but do so as a member of AFEE and my role as an academician.

jpwatkins2 jwatkins@westminstercollege.edu jpwatkins2@gmail.com
 * yes that constitutes a conflict of interest. It isn't only monetary remuneration that causes it, it can be anything which may cause your objectivity to come into question.  That doesn't mean it's a bad thing.  I am a big believer in food banks, but that doesn't mean the board chair of the Nebraska Food Bank Association (if there is such a body) should be providing copy to Wikipedia about the needs in her area.  She instead should make edit suggestions on the talk pages of anything where she may have a COI.  Such is your situation.  It is fine to make edit suggestions, and a draft article is just such a suggestion.  Your best bet truly is to read WP:COI.  Again, I hope that is helpful.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 01:15, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Ludwig Daser
Alex ShihTalk 00:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

template speedy deletion per policy on Brad Pitt and Brad Pitt as a Film Producer
Hi,

Sorry for miscategorizing/misrequesting on this. Can you provide me more details as to why they don't qualify for speedy deletion? I thought given WP:FILMNAV clearly states we don't do navboxes for anyone but primary creators that that would cover it under the "policy" clause, hence my nominations. —Joeyconnick (talk) 21:41, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
 * no apologies necessary, and it's possible I'm wrong. However, the link you cite is a guideline, not a policy, and I didn't think it fit the spirit of T2, which is designed to delete those things which deliberately mislead.  However, I have no doubt these templates should be removed from the articles.  As I mentioned in my edit summary (but which you can't be expected to read), I think you should take these templates to Templates for discussion for exactly the reasons you outline.  I hope that helps.  Thanks for all your superior efforts here!   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:02, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, I was wondering if it was that. When I clicked on the "policy" link in the T2 description, the resulting article discusses policies and guidelines so I thought, well these templates go against a pretty clear guideline in the MOS. But I should have figured the speedy deletion "bar" would be higher than simply contravening a guideline. Thanks for the extra info! —Joeyconnick (talk) 02:08, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's exactly correct, regarding my reasoning, I do set a much higher bar for SPEEDY than for other deletion reasons. I even looked for a reason to speedy the duplicate template, but couldn't find one.  (we have A10 for articles, why not templates?)  It is likely another admin would have speedy deleted it, it really is a matter of interpretation, I think.  All the best,  <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:28, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2017 November newsletter: Final results
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In addition to recognizing the achievements of the top finishers and everyone who worked hard to make it to the final round, we also want to recognize those participants who were most productive in each of the WikiCup scoring categories:
 * Featured Article – Cas Liber (actually a two-way tie with themselves for an astonishing five FAs in R2 and R4).
 * Good Article – Adityavagarwal had 14 GAs promoted in R5.
 * Featured List – and  both produced 2 FLs in R2
 * Featured Pictures – improved an image to FP status in R5, the only FP this year.
 * Featured Topic – has the only FT of the Cup in R3.
 * Good Topic – Four different editors created a GT in R2, R3 and R4.
 * Did You Know – Adityavagarwal had 22 DYKs on the main page in R5.
 * In The News – had 14 ITN on the main page in R2.
 * Good Article Review – completed 31 GARs in R1.

Over the course of the 2017 WikiCup the following content was added or improved on Wikipedia: 51 Featured Articles, 292 Good Articles, 18 Featured Lists, 1 Featured Picture, 1 Featured Topics, 4 Good Topics, around 400 Did You Knows, 75 In The News, and 442 Good Article Reviews. Thank you to all the competitors for your hard work and what you have done to improve Wikipedia.

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Ruth Bader Ginsburg
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Action against user Mr.Kebab
Hello,

I feel like the way a poster named Mr>Kebab is acting towards me on this talk here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:General_American#John_Samuel_Kenyon is unacceptable and he should be properly punished. I proved that deleted sourced content was deleted in that talk section for the topic related to John Kenyon. Even the Topic creator said he deleted the sourced content. From what I understand, before any sourced content should be removed, it should be taken to the talk page. Not removed, then taken to the talk page. Mr.Kebab is harassing me and showing favoritism. This should be unacceptable on wikiepdia. Usernamebradly (talk) 13:51, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * And what would you call contacting multiple admins to solve the same issue? Mr KEBAB (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Some admins might have real life to deal with and not be able to respond for a few days/weeks. I only planned on contacting two. Usernamebradly (talk) 14:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, let's say that sounds somewhat reasonable. Mr KEBAB (talk) 14:08, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * , I'm looking into this.  First, I'm not going to rush into this.  Second, I have no desire to "punish" anyone.  I will do my best to stop disruption, but I'm not a day-care provider.  Or grandma.  I am going to make this as collegial as possible.  Third, Usernamebradly, calling someone a vandal is a personal attack.  Vandalism has specific meanings here, namely the intent to cause disruption.  Now, removing sourced content is often disruptive, but there are several reasons to remove sourced content.  A few examples:  The source is bad, or the source doesn't match the claim, or a better source is found, or the article is re-organized and the content is now redundant.  I'm not saying that's what happened, I haven't looked into it yet.  That, and most editors make mistakes, myself included.  Let's try to have some understanding here, and perhaps this can be resolved amicably.  In the brief amount I've looked, I don't see that anyone is *trying* to harm Wikipedia.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:30, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, this didn't take as long. I do not see where Mr. Kebab is harassing you.  He has been trying to engage you in a discussion on the talk page.  The person who removed the content said, on same talk page, that it was accidental.  Usernamebradly, if you had simply asked about the source removal on the talk page, this could have been resolved without any drama.  I presume you want to improve Wikipedia.  This is a collaborative project.  Checking the histories of Mr. Kebab and  I see long-term productive editors.  Most certainly not vandals.  I reiterate I do not see any harassment, disagreement does not equal harassment.  I often enjoy discussions with people who disagree with me, after all, I don't learn anything from those who always agree with everything I say!  Kebab and Wolfdog attempted to discuss the edits civilly, I hope Usernamebradly will return to the talk page and as a result this article (an interesting one!) will continue to see improvement.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm new to wikipedia. I said I have nothing against wolfdog. A helper on the wikipedia-en mIRC channel said that any deletion of sources should be asked in the talk page before you actually do so. He deleted the content then took it to the talk page. I asked this on the help channel before I even engaged in the discussion. I have seen people make revert edits where people deleted sourced and say things such as "reverting possibly vandalism" that's why I said that. I'm not out to troll or make life miserable for wolfdog. But deleting sourced material of someone else's contributions to a wikiepdia page absolutely should not be done until there consensus in talk discussion. Wolfdog is ery aware that he did this. There was not "msistake" as mrkebab keeps on hounding me with or accidents. Usernamebradly (talk) 15:05, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Wolfdog said he accidentally removed the source. Please see the page history and his edit summaries.  Kebab is not hounding you.  As you say, you are new to wikipedia.  I have also reverted vandals who have removed sourced material, but I am experienced enough that I can usually tell the difference between a vandal, a WP:POV pusher, and someone who is trying to improve the article.


 * I'll put it to you plain: You are in the wrong here.  Please see DROPTHESTICK.


 * 1) No one is hounding you, all they have done is engage you at the article talk page, as they should.
 * 2) Be very careful about calling editors vandals who are not. It is a form of personal attack.
 * 3) It is agreed that removal of sourced material should be discussed on the talk page. That is what is happening, why would you want anything else or more?   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:18, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Anthony Franchini
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

 * Many thanks ! I did find one image, where he is with Ferera.  I don't believe it is in public domain yet.  I appreciate the kind words.  Indeed, a fascinating character.  Because I collect old 78s, I see examples of his work all the time, but I didn't know anything about him, and particularly his post '20s career he seemed to have disappeared rather suddenly.  My main reason for writing articles, the opportunity to learn!   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

03:01:20, 13 November 2017 review of submission by KarenPolka
Not ready for a re-review yet, I just don't know where to go from here. All the content I wrote is verifiable. You can google Mean Mary and a million things come up about her. She is full of notoriety. I just don't know what you want. Can you help me out and be more specific or give me some examples? I would appreciate any help. Thank you KarenKarenPolka (talk) 03:01, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm sorry this is difficult for you. I'm not entirely surprised, Wikipedia can be a confusing place.  I don't think I'm going to be able to answer all your questions, but if we take it a few steps at a time perhaps I can make this easier.  First, as you correctly state, verifiability is a key policy here.  However, just because something can be verified doesn't mean it is worthy of an encyclopedia article (bear with me, here!)  For instance, I can verify I exist, but there shouldn't be a wikipedia article about me.  A topic needs to demonstrate it meets Notability standards.  Please take a bit of time to read these standards.  Further useful reading that is pertinent to your topic is WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG.  You state that "she is full of notoriety."  Great!  Which independent and reliable sources discuss her in-depth?  If you concentrate on these types of sources, it will really help make your article ready for mainspace.  Does that help?  Please feel free to contact me regarding all these policies I've thrown at you, and how they may apply to your article specifically.  All the best,  <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:34, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Deletion
Hello 78.26. I saw your deletion of War correspondents in Syria. The article was created as part of a educational project and probably had some problems. Can you restore the version so I can correct it?. Best. --Rodelar (talk) 23:17, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
 * In normal circumstances I would, but I can't restore a copyright violation, which is the reason I deleted it. What are you looking for in particular?  For instance, I can give you a list of references used in the article, if that helps.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 00:05, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Can you send me, through email, all the text and references of the article?. I could re-write it, correcting all the problems it had. --Rodelar (talk) 00:12, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * There are two classes of deleted material which I can't/won't provide. Those are wp:attack pages, and copyright violations.  Unfortunately the page you are requesting is of the latter, even though I'm sure the violation was unintentional.  Later today I will provide you with an outline, and the references used.  All the best,  <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 12:09, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the material. I can re-create the article with that. Best, --Rodelar (talk) 22:36, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I just re-created it. Can you review it and let me know if it´s correct now?. Best, --Rodelar (talk) 01:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The one section still contained a near-copy of the source. I have removed it.  The rest checked out ok from a copyright violation standpoint.  I also moved it to the Draft space, you can still view it at Draft:War correspondents in Syria, including the history, so you can view old versions.  I would suggest that when you think you're ready, you submit it for review at Articles for Creation.  I haven't thoroughly reviewed it, but it does seem to largely depend on the freedomhouse.org and the views of Francesca Borri.  If you added material found in more sources with perhaps a different perspective, it would help round out the article, otherwise it looks like a promotion piece.  My 2 cents.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 01:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. How you add an article from a Constitution without it is copyvio?. On the other hand, if that section is the one that raises problems, I can delete and leave the article as it is. --Rodelar (talk) 11:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You can add quotes from something like a constitution by using blockquote, see Help:Wikitext. The problem wasn't a quote.  There were "common phrases" in the first 2 sentences that perhaps could be restored, but the last sentence was an analysis, and clearly the wording did not come from a constitution.  It was also very close to the freedomhouse wording.  I hope that helps.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. I think it´s better not include it then. Do you think the text would be ready for publishing?. --Rodelar (talk) 11:31, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, if you agree, can I publish the text?. Best, --Rodelar (talk) 13:48, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I see you moved it to mainspace. I encourage you to keep improving the article.  I would highly recommend adding additional analysis from sources other than Borri, particularly if they have a different perspective.  For instance, she makes a strong value judgement on community vs. the individual, which is fine, but it does give the article a POV if not tempered by additional material.  The additional material does not need to refute Borri, it could talk about the emotional impact on Martians the war reporting has had, but it would overall give the article some more depth and appear less like a promo piece for Borri's work.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018
So the 2017 WikiCup has come to an end. Congratulations to the winner, to the other finalists and to all those who took part. 177 contestants signed up, more than usual, but not all of them submitted entries in the first round. Were editors attracted by the cash prizes offered for the first time this year, or were these irrelevant? Do the rules and scoring need changing for the 2018 WikiCup? If you have a view on these or other matters, why not join in the WikiCup discussion about next year's contest? , and. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:58, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

LowestRates.ca Post Rejection
Hello 78.26,

You reviewed a draft I submitted in October (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:LowestRates.ca), which was rejected. I was wondering if you could provide further insight as to how far off the draft and/or sources are from acceptance, so I can determine whether or not it is worth investing any time to fix up. Could it use some tweaks, or is it not even close?

Thanks

Cffg9979 Cffg9979 (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . In my opinion the article isn't close to ready.  There is no in-depth, objective analysis of the company by reliable, independent sources.  Instead, we have routine investment announcements, directory listings, casual mentions, and press releases.  Accordingly it isn't surprising the draft reads like a press release.  Please take a look out our notability guidelines as well as Identifying reliable sources.   I hope that helps.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:51, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * ✅ - Thanks, I'd have never discovered that on my own in 100 years. All the best,  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 12:31, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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15:58:15, 28 November 2017 review of submission by Ramansolankii
Dr Jeffrey Lant created the rule of seven, It is used in various marketing books. All the major publications like Business Insider and Investopedia acknowledge that he was the first one to introduce it. There are various other reference pointing towards the same. I believe wikipedia is the right platform to acknowledge that he created it as it gives light to the truth. many modern day marketing expert use the "Rule of seven" and it is even used at Harvard Business School. It is an important concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramansolankii (talk • contribs) 15:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Great! Then use those marketing books as sources, and it is likely that notability will be established.  However, is it the "rule of seven" which is notable, or is it Dr. Lant?  If the marketing books do not discuss who Dr. Lant is, but only discuss his concept, there may be an issue.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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23:01:50, 29 November 2017 review of submission by 68.187.34.18
Hello! As a senior citizen about to turn 85, I don't claim to be a brilliant writer or editor, but I have had a gratifying and respected career as a sacred musician. Perhaps the declined Wikipedia article is difficult to follow in chronological order because many of the accomplishments occurred over a period of time. The general time periods are identified correctly, but the concerts, recording albums and published music are spread over many of these time periods. The only period of my ministry not reported is my 2 years in the navy (1954-57) when I directed choirs at Great Lakes and on the aircraft carrier Forrestal (when the Admiral of the 6th Fleet told me it was the best choir he had ever heard in the navy). I do hope my potential Wikipedia entry will be an expression of a life well lived rather than a tribute to editorial skills. Thank you! DICK ANTHONY 68.187.34.18 (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Mr. Anthony, it is indeed an honor that you dropped me a line, I have at least three of your albums in my collection. Don't worry about editing skills, actually  did a good job of re-organizing the material.  I think the best way you could help at this point is to help with the sourcing.  Do you have press clippings that include the publication name, date, and if applicable, page number?  Also, under the "References" section, there are some things which are confusing.  Is "National Radio Broadcasters award - Feb. 2015" a source, or an award that should be in the article body?  Do you have more details about "SBU News - Southest Baptist University - Dick Anthony Artist Profile" - is that on a web page?  Is it a publication?  If so, what is the date?  Same question for the WMBI reference.  I hope that is helpful.  All the best,   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Can I poke my head in here? I'm finding a lot of news stories at Newspapers.com and am clipping away. Should I just start adding them to the draft? We hope (talk) 21:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , you are most welcome to pop your head in, at any time, for any topic! I'm know contributions will vastly improve the article, as always.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:34, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) Will start adding and keep looking. We hope (talk) 21:39, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Can I also poke?
 * Article title should be something like Dick Anthony (musician), having in the brackets one thing that describes him best.
 * I never heard sacred musician, - sacred music yes, but even that was questioned as a synonym pf "holy music".
 * Lead: "Dick Anthony (December 8, 1932- ) is an American musician who composed, conducted, produced,[1] sang[2] and performed sacred music." might be along the lines of "Dick Anthony (born December 8, 1932) is an American musician who composes sacred music and performes it as an organist, conductor, producer and singer." - I didn't read further so far, and assumed organ playing. I don't know any musician in the field who would not also perform not-so-sacred music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Gerda, the article still needs a lot of attention, so moving it to the proper name is just another checkbox in the list. I don't think the term "sacred musician" is used much anymore, but it was used in the United States in the 40s through 70s to indicate musicians who played non-classical, non-pop/rock religious music, come to think of it, it may be a genre that was unique to North America.  I can see that, taken literally, "sacred musician" is a bit of a humorous term.  There are artists who performed under different names when playing "sacred" music vs more popular material, Hank Williams comes most prominently to mind, although his religious music would have been described as "gospel", not "sacred".   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 22:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Have a look at the article and see if you think it's OK for start class. I couldn't find refs for some of the information; you need to make the call if that should be deleted or not. I've gotten refs for the majority of what's on the page. Made notes at the bottom about the suggested refs and what happened when I went looking. I see his birthday will be Friday-maybe we can get it into mainspace for that! :-) We hope (talk) 19:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * it's better than start class. I'd leave the information in there, unless it is controversial.  I'll review anything that doesn't have a reference immediately after.  I'll send you another ping when I'm done, then I suggest it be moved to Dick Anthony (musician)   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 22:02, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Why don't you move it when you're satisfied as you were the one who believed in the article enough to keep the draft around this long? We hope (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, will do, but let there be no doubt that it was you who did all the work.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 22:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, there would have been nothing for me to work on if the draft went to delete in 2014-let's split this one down the middle. :-) We hope (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I've moved it. I ran across it randomly while doing AfC work, but I knew who this person was and that he was a significant force in US religious music in the 50s - 70s.  This whole genre is significantly under-represented on Wikipedia, in relation to the large number of people who listened to it in its time.  I'm musically omnivorous, but this is the type of music that was played in my house, from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday, when I was growing up.  I still enjoy and appreciate it, and as I said have a few of his albums.  I'm delighted that Anne and then yourself worked to bring this up to a reasonable standard so it could be moved.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 22:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * And I'd just like to say, in case he's checking in again-Happy Birthday, Mr. Anthony, from all of us! We hope (talk) 22:48, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Amen, Happy Birthday!  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 23:09, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2017). Administrator changes
 * Gnome-colors-list-add.svg Joe Roe
 * Gnome-colors-view-refresh.svg JzG
 * Gnome-colors-list-remove.svg Ericorbit • Perceval • Thingg • Tristanb • Violetriga

Guideline and policy news
 * Following a request for comment, a new section has been added to the username policy which disallows usernames containing emoji, emoticons or otherwise "decorative" usernames, and usernames that use any non-language symbols. Administrators should discuss issues related to these types of usernames before blocking.

Technical news
 * Wikimedians are now invited to vote on the proposals in the 2017 Community Wishlist Survey on Meta Wiki until 10 December 2017. In particular, there is a section of the survey regarding new tools for administrators and for anti-harassment.
 * A new function is available to edit filter managers which can be used to store matches from regular expressions.

Arbitration
 * Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is open until Sunday 23:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC). There are 12 candidates running for 8 vacant seats.

Miscellaneous
 * Over the last few months, several users have reported backlogs that require administrator attention at WP:ANI, with the most common backlogs showing up on WP:SPI, WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. It is requested that all administrators take some time during this month to help clear backlogs wherever possible. It should be noted that AIV reports are not always valid; however, they still need to be cleared, which may include needing to remind users on what qualifies as vandalism.
 * The Wikimedia Foundation Community health initiative is conducting a survey for English Wikipedia contributors on their experience and satisfaction level with Administrator’s Noticeboard/Incidents. This survey will be integral to gathering information about how this noticeboard works (i.e. which problems it deals with well and which problems it struggles with). If you would like to take this survey, please sign up on this page, and a link for the survey will be emailed to you via Special:EmailUser.

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Archive Sent by 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:59, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the suggestions I am taking any advice I can get, I really love wikipedia and I am not trying to make it a mess. So again, thanks! Coffinkid (talk) 21:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)Coffinkid
 * Don't worry about it, that is what Articles for Creation is for. What you need to find is some sources that are WP:INDEPENDENT of the topic, that are Reliable, and that give WP:INDEPTH coverage of the topic.  If you can't find these, perhaps this is a case where your talents and efforts are better spent on another topic.  All the best,  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:40, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@78.26 Thank you for the suggestions. As well as your patience. I feel as if though I have made adequate refrences, several of them. I understand the difference between third-party and independent now, I am just unsure of how to tell the two apart once I am reading them, some of the examples on your talk page helped. If you have any more analogys I seem to grasp information given that way, I do appreciate it. Coffinkid (talk) 22:05, 8 December 2017 (UTC)Coffinkid

Add a name of a sub-tribe of Domki Baloch
Hi sir, as you said to me that if u want to add your tribe(Bhand) to the sub-category of Domki main tribe of Baloch, then I should give you articles or references then I have some references from a famous author of Baloch nation. But how can I send it to you for your confirmation. Bhand Baloch (talk) 16:15, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you mis-understand. You don't need to send me articles, what is needed is an article on Wikipedia about the Bhand Tribe.  Then you can add the category "Baloch Tribes" to that article, and then the tribe will appear in that category list.  Categories are only for articles already existing on Wikipedia.  If you create this article, be sure to differentiate it from the existing Bhand article.  Before you start, I would highly recommend you read Your First Article.  All the best,  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:21, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:16, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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DYK for Perry Askam
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Curious
Regarding User talk:H Bar C Ranchwear and User talk:Haidang98, I'm really confused why I should have those on my watchlist in order to see that you've deleted them if there is no such user to begin with. G M G <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk   17:04, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess you're not the only one who is curious! There really are no such users.  If a user name changes, there is a re-direct, and the meta software does not list the former user name as unregistered.  Perhaps you previously marked the page for deletion?  Perhaps someone more technically minded than myself can chime in.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:10, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * My intuition, especially given the one obviously promotional username, is that they were likely pages I created either using Twinkle warnings or the AfC helper script, both of which would have watchlisted them. I guess why I'm asking is because the helper script is want to leave messages on the wrong user page at times, but it's usually on the page of an experienced reviewer, and usually the result of something like a page move. But if it's creating userpages for users that don't exist... that... probably needs looking into  G M G  <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk   17:21, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, if you find the source of *that* issue, let me know! I'm not exactly renown for my technological expertise.  All the best,  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, 78.26!
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Happy New Year! 78.26, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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