User talk:78.26/archive2020-2

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:09, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Barbara Snellenburg (2nd nomination)
I didn't see the Barbara Snellenburg article before you deleted it, but how is the AFD closed after only one week, where the only contributor already has a topic ban from creating AFDs because of their lack of competence, and is notorious for voting delete based on their own beliefs, rather than Wikipedia policy? Shouldn't it be at best a relist - especially given the previous AFD had four participants of mixed opinions. Nfitz (talk) 23:59, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There was no argument against deletion. Now, if JPL had merely left his first "argument" unaltered, I would have re-listed (I generally ignore such "just not notable" statements when closing), but his subsequent reasoning held substance, and therefore consensus was clear.  However, if you have sources that you feel clearly indicate notability, I'd be happy to restore it to your user space so you can work on it.  P.S. That's not an entirely accurate description of the editing restrictions.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 03:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I really have no interest in the subject matter - but it's a clear failure of consensus given JPL's gross incompetence and lack of competence. Of course, I can't see the article, so I have no ability to pass judgement - but I think you should relist it. Nfitz (talk) 03:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * JPL is *not* under a topic ban. Although I often disagree with his methodology at AfD, I have nothing against JPL personally.  However, even if I did, I can not and will not allow such things to taint judgement of consensus.  There were two compelling arguments for delete, and no evidence given that the topic is notable.  I have taken the time to review my close, and I believe it to be correct.  If you feel strongly this is not the case, you may take it to Deletion review or alternatively seek a topic ban if you feel the editor is that grossly incompetent in the area.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 13:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Wessex Bristol (group)
Did you mean to close this as "delete"? I was going to, but thought I would stick a "keep"-ish !vote on the end to get a relist, as there seem to be some sources that haven't been discussed. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  21:43, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe we edit conflicted. I will re-open the discussion. 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 22:20, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Not a biggie, I just couldn't quite convince myself to close as "delete". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:32, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I often open about 8 tabs on my browser when closing AfDs, selecting random and those which I may have some knowledge about (this being the former, not the latter!). Anyway, you added your material between my opening the tab with the Wessex AfD, and my closing it.  Methinks I should hit "refresh" if I've had a tab open for more than 1 minute, as a best practice.  Thanks again!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 13:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Question about article on Iolaus
Hi,

I hope i am doing this right. My first talk!

In article on Iolaus ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iolaus ), there is a curious non sequitur:

"Heracles gave his wife, Megara, age thirty three, to Iolaus, then only sixteen years old[5] – ostensibly because the sight of her reminded him of his murder of their three children. They had a daughter, Leipephilene. He was one of the Heraclidae.[6]"

Now, reference 6 refers to the rejuvenation of Iolaus, and makes no reference to Leipehilene. But, the reason I am writing, rather than just edit thr following apparent mistake, or unclear reference, is the fact that the Heraclidae (-idae is a patronymic suffix for "son of") were male heirs, not daughters.

I feel this is a mistake since Leipephilene can not be an Heraclidos and, if "He" refers to Iolaus, that's incorrect also since he was a friend, not descendant of Heracles. Or maybe I misunderstood Ovid.

I tried to look at history (am new to this too) to write a talk message to person who wrote the above but was unsuccessful.

thanks Richrat4 (talk) 16:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You are almost certainly far more knowledgeable about this than I am, certainly not my area of expertise. Depending on how old that edit is, the editor may not be very active anymore.  The best place to bring this up would be the article's talk page.  I would also recommend the Teahouse for general questions, since I happen to be on vacation at the moment and can't give your question the time and attention it deserves.  I hope that helps, and thank you so much for your volunteer efforts to make Wikipedia better!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 03:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Request to recreate delete page Syed Shah Abdul Haq Gilani
Hi. I wanted to request permission to recreate the deleted page Syed Shah Abdul Haq Gilani. The subject has now passed away and I have suitable third party citations for the article --Zaydbinumar (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You may re-create this, the topic has not been salted. May I recommend you use the WP:AFC process?  If it were to be deleted a third time, it likely would be salted.  That way you can get independent, second/third opinions regarding notability, an you don't have to worry about it being deleted while you are working on it.  I hope that helps.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Noted. Thank you! --Zaydbinumar (talk) 09:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have completed the draft on my behalf and have submitted it for review. Draft:Shah Abdul Haq Gilani. Please check --Zaydbinumar (talk) 15:34, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Sinfonia Latina article submission
Hello I am hoping you are well. I am asking for your participation in preparing this article for resubmission very soon. There now exists an Bibliographic Archive http://sinfonialatinahistoricalbibliographicalarchive.com/ also a new program for the festival is scheduled for September 2020 in Barranquilla, Colombia

Sinfonia Latina Orchestral Residency

OSL – Fundación Puerto Colombia – IDB

Starts, September 2020

Best Regards --23:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)Deanna Coakley (talk)
 * I think this is getting really close. I see VAST improvements since the last time I looked at it.  I do have a couple of questions.  1.  it says "Dieppa at age fifteen convinced the production group  to change the show."  Did Dieppa change the show when he was the age of 15 himself, or was the nature of the show changed after 15 years?  2.  The editorial by Renowitzky seems out of place.  Why not just make that a reference?  3.  What is the purpose of the map?  It doesn't really seem to give clarity on anything.  I hope that is useful.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello , Question 1. The map I believed would help readers learn of the original location of the first Sinfonia Latina Question 2. Dieppa was 15 years old when he convinced the production group to change the show. Comment 3. "Renowitsky " making it just a reference is fine with me. He was a well known journalist in Colombia. still alive 102 years old.

What else in your opinion needs fixing prior to resubmission.? Thank you many times over for your response. Deanna Coakley (talk) 20:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the map is too generic (just my opinion). You might ask someone at the WP:TEAHOUSE if they know someone who could help you with pin placement, that shows the various locations this festival has been held.  I think you need to emphasize Dieppa's age when he composed it.  Also I think you need to clarify that there was a series of rock concerts promoted by Zapata, and that the change in the production was suggested by Dieppa but effected by both Dieppa and Zapata, if I have my facts straight.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 20:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Request for the text of a deleted revision of an article
Hello! I found you through this article over here of Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles.

I very much need your help. A few months ago, when I first created my account, it was mainly to work on this page ( List of attacks related to secondary schools). I essentially kept on coming back to the article over the course of a few weeks and made improvements to the grammar, spelling, errors content, and added entries every time. It was changes that objectively just improved the quality of the page.

However, because I was new to Wikipedia, I was stupidly unfamiliar with the rules. So for a few added entities (For ex. the Ugandan School Fire), I copy/pasted the description from pre-existing news articles. I now completely understand this is totally unacceptable and wrong, and I would never do it today. The admin who saw this rightfully reverted the pages, but unfortunately ALL the changes from the past few weeks (90% of which were fine, some of which weren’t even from me) got undone.

I wish to properly re-add the information to the page, but in order to do so I needed access to the 15:52, 21 April 2020 edition of the page (the one lasted edited by Rodw). I will then go through the page and compare it with the currently existing version, and 100% properly re-add the appropriate changes. I believe the only way to get that access is to have you email it to me. The content that I added on the page was legitimately good, I just made a mistake from my inexperience at the time. The quality of the page shouldn’t suffer because I made a very dumb mistake.

Thank you and best wishes, BorderRegions (talk) 18:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm terribly sorry, I can't help you out on this one. To restore that page, even to email it to you, would be a copyright violation on MY part, and I'm not willing to do that.  I realize this must be very frustrating to you, but I have no way of parsing out the "good" edits from the bad copyvio edits.  I'm afraid you'll have to re-do this work.  I realize that is frustrating, and I wish I had a more convenient answer for you.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thank you very much for the quick response! No problem, I completely understand. Copyright violations are inherently stringent and Wikipedia can’t really afford much leeway. I figured it was worth a shot to ask properly (now that I’ve been using Wikipedia long enough know how), but I also understand why it can’t be done sadly. It’s just an unfortunate scenario. But looking at it in a positive way, it’s possible that some things may have been added to the page that otherwise wouldn’t have been. Once again, thank you for your help! BorderRegions (talk) 07:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Sinfonia_Latina
Hello I have made the edits you suggested to this Draft I have been unable to get assistance on the Map however I made a couple adjustments. please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. --Deanna Coakley (talk) 22:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you will submit it, I will approve it.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 01:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely, first let me say that you have taught me patience and persistence. I will do so now, Best regards --Deanna Coakley (talk) 01:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And, done! Congratulations, and good job with the perseverance!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 03:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail!
Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thank you.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 03:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

You've got mail

 * Yes check.svg Done  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 09:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Appavi
Kindly speedy keep this article. I nominated the article for deletion, but now regret it. TamilMirchi (talk) 02:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, I can't. Sorry.  There are too many delete !votes.  The best you can do is list, at the AfD page, at least two sources that you subsequently found that you feel are independent, reliable, and provide in-depth coverage of the topic.  It would negate the votes that say no sources were found.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 02:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding Copyrighted Images

 * Hello - I'm hoping all is well. I have several images that I am hoping to include as part of the Wikipedia page I am creating.  They do not belong to me, nor have I uploaded them to Wikipedia Commons.  I have, however, contacted the owner of these photos and he is willing to grant permission (for their use).  I've read through much of the information re: uploading copyrighted material and how to proceed, but I'm still mostly unsure which is the best way to proceed.  Should he use the Interactive Release Generator?  Should he upload his photos to Flickr and, from there, I'd be able to use them?  Should he use the Declaration of consent form?  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you, kindly.

Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC))
 * Thanks for the barnstar. I am going to spectacularly reward you by... not being very helpful.  This is very much not my area of expertise.  I think I can point you to Requesting copyright permission, or perhaps  or  or  can help, all of whom I deeply trust, and in this area much more than myself.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 21:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * - Ha! That cracked me up!  You still deserve the credit for helping me previously and I appreciate when people can admit when something isn't their area of expertise (not simply Wikipedia, but in life).  I think you'll know what I'm saying.  I do genuinely appreciate the follow-up and I will enquire with the others you suggested after reading the info provided.  Thanks, mate!

Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 21:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC))
 * The Commons has a separate OTRS queue and a slightly different set of instructions. Please review the material at Commons:OTRS for full details. Or skip to commons:Commons:OTRS — Diannaa (talk) 11:41, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Dear Diannaa - Thank you for taking the time to respond. Much appreciated and quite helpful!  Take good care and please be well.

Ryan (Ryancoke2020 (talk) 23:08, 18 August 2020 (UTC))

An AfD of interest
Hi 78.26. Hope you are well. You may be interested in this AfD about a record label. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! I'm not very familiar with these recent record labels, it's harder for me to find sources for them, but given the number of notable artists the article claims are signed to the label, I'll have a look and see if there's anything to salvage.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:37, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to have a laugh at myself, I just realized this label is 21 years old. I consider any label after 1990 to be "new", sheesh.  I'm truly not ancient, really I'm not!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:37, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't currently save it. I've checked everything I have access to, and the article fails WP:V for the most part.  I've been able to confirm a few of the artists, but not most of them.  Is there anything in particular that drew your attention to this topic, other than the roster of artists?  (i.e. do you have any sources I may have missed?)  Thanks!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi 78.26. No, that's fine - if you can't find anything, that's good enough for me. Just thought there might be an outside chance to save it! Thanks for looking.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 15:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

In the Air Tonight: 2020
Hi there, 78.26. I appreciate the comments and edits that you made on this page today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Air_Tonight

I am relatively new at editing Wikipedia pages. I haven't done much of this.

On the other hand, I do have a Ph.D. and I have been a professor for about 15 years.

I appreciate your support. Please help me understand why user "Keckel" is making emotional comments about my edit to this page. I do not understand why "Keckel" is upset about this contribution. I also do not understand how to resolve a conflict like this.

Do we ask a Wikipedia moderator to get involved?

I would welcome some advice/suggestions, please.

I welcome your help. Thank you for considering.

P.S. I do not know the twins mentioned in the citation. I simply read about this phenomenon in the New York Times and also observed this video on social media, and it got me interested to learn more.

MDW333 (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Jazz discography
It's really cute to archive a page when we're in the middle of a discussion, so I have to come here to continue rather than wait for another one of your magical appearances into my discussions. I wondered if you could answer a couple questions to save all three of us a lot of time—time being the most important currency mankind possesses. 1) Is your Canadian friend going to revert every discography I work on? 2) Is it civil to refuse to answer questions that pertain directly to the subject at hand? 3) Should I go ahead and delete every discography on Wikipedia that's unsourced? Why or why not? It's all the same to me, because I don't have an agenda. I can go back to working Ellen James Society. Vmavanti (talk) 12:40, 30 August 2020 (UTC) I've always wondered: What do "spin me" and "revolutions" mean? Vmavanti (talk) 12:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I'll try to take these in order:

Vmavanti (talk) 14:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) I can't and won't speak for anyone.  I rather have my doubts, I don't think discography is a particular interest of theirs.
 * 2) Any editor may ignore or remove any material on their own talk page.  They are also not required to reply on talk pages.  This is a volunteer project, participation is not required.
 * 3) Unsourced by who's standards?  I saw no consensus in that discussion, and at the very most it would pertain to that particular topic, not to discographies in general, as there was no wide participation.
 * 4) My signature is a play on words referencing phonograph records.  "spin me" refers to contacting me on my talk page, as in you hear a record by spinning it, causing it to communicate in a sense.  It may be an oblique reference to You Spin Me Round (Like a Record) but while I'm certainly aware of the song, as that's not my normal genre of choice, I'm not sure how I came up with that.  "Revolutions" links to my change log, this is more of an obvious play since the goal of a revolution is to effect change.  Of course the main play is that a record revolves.  Perhaps less obvious is that I created that to make fun of myself, as revolutions are messy and often don't turn out very well.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:40, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for replying. Many people lack the courage to do so. It's interesting that many people look favorably on the word "revolution" when "to revolve" means to go in circles—to achieve no change or progress whatsoever. To flail about hopelessly in a loop. Mag had a problem with both Peter Sprague and Grant Geissman articles, but only Geissman was resolved (I guess?). I deleted the Sprague discog to accommodate her. I guess that's what she wanted, because I've heard no more complaining about it. Is there a source you recommend for 1) discographies 1a) jazz discographies? Is there a method that will prevent them from being reverted? Given that I have been on this site for five years, do you have any ideas about how to resolve the problem of sourcing jazz discographies? Do you mean "whose" standards rather than "who's"? And regarding the idea that standards are relative in this context, maybe you should ask Mag that question, given that she was the one with the problem with how those articles were done. In a long life of experience, reading, and observation, I've been unaware that the term "unsourced" is ambiguous, with multiple ways of being defined. Can you define them? That might help all of us. Thanks.
 * I don't really know what else to tell you. My own discographical work tends to be early material, pre-1960.  So Rust and Kinkle probably aren't of use for your purposes.  Does your library have the Tom Lord jazz discographies?  That would work for the 60s-90s material.  You can see what I did on the Geissman page (I still have a lot more to re-add).  As you know, I consider your discographical additions to be self-sourced, and I don't really know what else to say.  I agree that "unsourced" is ambiguous.  There are plenty of arguments regarding what a reliable source is (and context is important!), and I suppose when it comes down to it we probably have as many definitions of a "reliable source" as we have editors here.  That's where discussion comes in and consensus is built.  It's been longstanding tradition that discographies source themselves, like bibliographies.  However, an editor at Geissman disagreed so in the spirit of compromise on that page I have been adding inline citations.  It helps the average reader a little bit in my opinion (but not all that much), so I said I'd do it.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Tom Lord's discography lacks release dates, making it practically useless. He could resolve that with a stack of Billboard magazines or a subscription to the online edition. I've always thought comparing a discography to a bibliography is weak because a bibliography contains sources used to write an article or book, while a discography doesn't. It's more like a timeline. Almost nothing in the discography helps to write the article, except the mere mention of name, label, and date. The word "unsourced" is not ambiguous. People like Mag ought to learn something about jazz discography before commenting on the subject. I tried to help Mag with that, but I was dismissed with a snooty wave of the hand, called arrogant, and ignored. I went through something similar with Walter a few months ago when he complained that the Larry Carlton discog was "too long". At least Walter condescended to talk to me. Neither of these people understood, and neither tried. I try. I dig. I don't start from the assumption that I know everything.

Vmavanti (talk) 12:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The word "unsourced" is not ambiguous. Something is either sourced or it isn't. I wouldn't say "my" discographies are unsourced—I've never thought of them as "mine". I've never thought of any article or subject as "mine". You might recall that I tried to source them with AllMusic, but for three of you that was unacceptable, culminating in my being blocked from this site for a few minutes until another admin came along and set you straight. In the spirit of "consensus" and compromise, I was "persuaded" to do it your (3) way, and I have been doing it that way since at least January, only to be told recently that that way is wrong, too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Turning the tables might be amusing or pleasurable to those who enjoy schadenfreude, but it's counterproductive to anyone trying to improve Wikipedia. I agree that cite AV doesn't help much—unless one owns every jazz album that has been made, which is impossible. I understand the criticism of AllMusic's jazz discographies, because many contain errors and are otherwise done poorly, but I don't understand the hostility toward that site. I have nothing personal in favor of it or against it—or any other source. A source either contains accurate information or it doesn't. That's enough. All else is speculation. Discogs as a source remains a dilemma. How to source jazz discography remains a quandary. Until those subjects are addressed in depth, unproductive conflict will continue.

Could you restore the article named Draft:Lake City as a user sandbox for me?
I made an article named Draft:Lake City that was taken down. Could you restore it as a sandbox page for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zora Champion Mipha (talk • contribs) 19:27, 2 September 2020 (UTC) Zora Champion Mipha (talk) 19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I shall decline to restore hoaxes. Are you aware of what an encyclopedia is for?  We don't host articles about things that are made up.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Edit counter
Hi 78.26, I hope things are good. This is not terribly important, but it appears that my edit counter has not been working for the last two days. I just wanted to reach out and see if you are having the same problem. Thanks, Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't tried it in a bit. It tends to time out during busy daytime, have you tried in the evening?  It's working for me right now.  (I presume you're talking about the wmflabs counter?)   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:53, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I know what you mean about the application running slowly at times. It usually posts a message informing the user that there is a reporting lag when that is the case. The application loads the reports. But none of my edits from the last two days have been counted. It's just strange, that's all. Best, Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 15:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All I can say is, try again later. I know that's incredibly helpful.....   Anyway, always good to hear from you!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:05, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It is helpful to get feedback from other people participating in the same network. I think the total edit count is correct, but some of the counters for the component variables are running slowly. I think the monthly edit total is running four days behind. I can't account for why, but that seems to be the behavior of the app for me right now. Again, it's not a big deal. Best, Oldsanfelipe2 (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, that's run by the wikimedia foundation, and is separate from Wikipedia, so I have no more sway for that than any of our other editors. When I go there it seems to be running current, but my "eyeball test" is less than rigorous....   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

September
Thank you for reviewing Vierne's organ symphony, and the required patience. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

How to do new topic and post it
Hello 78.26 My name is Ali and i am from Azerbaijan i want know how to do New topic and post it.I already did topic about ROBLOX but in Azerbaijani language.Here is link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Animelover0001) Thanks for help.

From:Ali.

To: Mr.78.26

Hello from Azerbaijan.


 * . Thanks for writing.  I see you've put a lot of work into your article.  I think if you read Help:Your first article it will help you.  I don't read the Azerbaijani language, unfortunately, but I do note that you don't include any references to reliable sources.  That will be something you'll need to address before your article can be moved to the mainspace.   I hope that helps.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 17:07, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Animelover0001 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Champion Records
Hey there, you reverted my edit on Vee-Jay Records and I see now that my edit was indeed incorrect - however, certainly the article must then be wrong when it says 'Ted Jarrett's Champion Records', right? Because Ted Jarrett ran the Nashville, Tennesssee Champion Records, according to his own article. And on top of that, we now still have a link to a disambiguation page, of course. Could you look into this? Thanks! Lennart97 (talk) 14:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * you are absolutely correct! Let's fix it!  All the best,  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:54, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I removed the reference to Jarrett, and reverted back to Champion, which as you say is a disambiguation page. However, that disambiguation page does mention the "Tainted Love" label.  Do you think it would be better if that linked to "Tainted Love" (which has a picture of the label) instead of "Champion Records"?  I appreciate your input!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response! The Champion Records disambiguation page does mention the "Tainted Love" label, stating that it was distributed by Vee-Jay. What I think would be best, however, is to clearly state on the Vee-Jay article that it distributed Champion Records, and then let any mentions of Champion Records on other pages link to the Vee-Jay article. Do you agree? By the way, I've found no other source saying that Champion was distributed by Vee-Jay than the physical "Tainted Love" vinyl record itself. Is it possible to cite a record? Lennart97 (talk) 15:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * yes, it is possible to cite a record, I do it all the time. (although usually the liner notes on an album, but sometimes for a discography section I cite the record to itself.)  But in this case, there is at least one source which ties Vee Jay to this version of Champion.  .  I hope that helps.  (P.S. it's redundant to ping an editor when replying on their own talk page, not that it matters, it'll just save you a few seconds of wikicoding.)   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 15:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I'll get to work on it. Just to be sure, would it be correct to say Champion was Vee-Jay's subsidiariy? Also, interestingly, the Tainted Love page itself links to another (wrong) Champion Records altogether, so that will be fixed now too. :) Lennart97 (talk) 15:45, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No, we don't have any source that says it was a subsidiary. Vee Jay had it's own distribution network, and it was common for small labels to find a distribution network that they could not set up themselves.  It is possible that it was a subsidiary, sometimes are larger company would place the "distribution" notice on a label they owned but wished to hide the corporate relationship for some reason.  But I would say it is most likely an operation that was independent of Vee Jay except for a distribution deal.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , that 1920s version of Champion is a topic on which I have some expertise, but I've never gotten around to editing that article. I can assure you with absolute certainty that this Gennet (and in a second iteration, Decca) subsidiary was never distributed by Vee Jay!  Please feel free to fix that.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 16:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! I've fixed that link and added a mention of Tainted Love on the Vee-Jay article, including the source you gave me, so it should all be clear now! Lennart97 (talk) 16:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Dan Bellomy
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

I have created my first page can you please review it.
Krishna Sarthak is a prominent Kannada producer I have also included the reference from leading publications Times of India news website — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srishresta (talk • contribs) 13:08, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello . I'm afraid there's several problems with your submission.  Please note that your topic is a WP:BLP.  As such, our sourcing requirements are even more stringent than normal.  The source you provided does not even mention Sarthak, and therefore fails one of our core policies verifiability.  Additionally, it appears to be copied from a press release by the film company (note the TNN authorship), which would make this source not independent of the topic, even if it discussed Krishna Sarthak in-depth.  There are other issues with the reference formatting, but I don't want to give you more than you can deal with at one time. Creating articles is not easy.


 * As an aside, please sign your correspondence on talk pages with four tildes (" ~ ") which leaves a signature other editors can follow. I hope that is helpful.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Moving drafts to article space
Hi ! I fresh started on Wikipedia earlier this week. Before today, I wrote 2 articles, but they had to be in draft space but, I wrote articles before this, so I know what rules make a good article. Now I do not have to write drafts any more since I passed the 4 days and 10 edits rule with this account. Would you recommend me to move the articles into the article space ? I know this is only 2 articles but, if AFC is backlogged, it is a little help.

Thanks! Borz (talk) 21:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Sonia Essin


Hello, 78.26. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Sonia Essin".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 00:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Nathan2055. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Sonia Essin, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Nathan2055talk - contribs 18:45, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There's no major issue that I could see, I just wanted to have someone else give it a second once over in case I missed something. Nathan2055talk - contribs 18:46, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * This is rather unusual, in that I've been autopatrolled for many years, among other permissions... What causes concern?   When doing patrol work myself I'll mark an article "patrolled" unless there is concern regarding spam or serious concern regarding notability.  What are you afraid you missed?   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 19:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Republic of Artsakh
Hello. In my opinion, the status of the unrecognized Republic of Artsakh article is incorrect. If the state does not recognize it, the country to which it belongs must also be written in its status. For example, unrecognized Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Transnistria are not like Arsakh in the article. Arsakh's status was written by three non-UN member states. Sorry, is this important? Does it matter? However, they are unrecognized separatist organizations. Even four countries have recognized the independence of those separatist organizations. But Arsakh was not recognized by any state. Excuse me, why isn't the Republic of Artsakh article the same as the 3 unrecognized states article? Don't you think this is a double standard? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sword313 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I know a lot about phonograph records, the music history of Europe and the Americas, and property/casualty insurance. I know almost nothing about Artsakh, so I have no comment.  Why have you come to me in particular? In looking at the history there are a lot of established editors whom I trust working on that article.  You should be discussing your changes on the talk page, but I would more carefully articulate your position with reliable sources to back you.  You most certainly must not resume edit warring in an attempt to force your preferred version.  I hope that helps.  78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 13:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for the reply. Yes, this is my big mistake. I shouldn't have edited. Sword313 (talk) 04:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Catalog numbers
I know why you want to add catalog numbers to albums. It interests you. But you realize that Wikipedia doesn't exist solely for you or for record collectors. That would be a tiny readership. There are about 350 million people in America and 7.5 billion people in the world. It would be foolish to make a rule or follow a process in an encyclopedia that marginalizes most of those people. The truth is, most people are not interested in catalog numbers or matrix numbers or the minutiae of collectors, and when they see them it looks like gibberish fancruft. I was taught in school many times: Know your audience, write for the reader. Your claim that catalog numbers are encyclopedic is self-serving. I know you won't like hearing that, but I also know that you are mature enough to accept the truth and the possibility that you could be wrong. There needs to be consistency from article to article both in form and content. That's true of all kinds of encyclopedias. You'll notice that the other 99% of jazz articles exclude catalog numbers, as do the other 99% of people who work on jazz articles. Should we make a special case for you and a few of your friends? That really would be undemocratic and impractical and contrary to the goals, purposes, and methods of Wikipedia, which exists for all readers, not merely for people who contribute. These facts are easy to overlook. Interacting with IP editors hasn't exactly made me a great lover of humanity.

One other thing. This here? "In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary" is bullshit. It's fake niceness. Most of the time I leave edit summaries. If I don't, it's because the change is self-evident. You should know that after seeing my edits for five years. This part here? "If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored" is bullshit. It's fake niceness. It's arrogant, condescending, and paternalistic. It assumes I have no clue what I'm doing, but I'm getting this bogus reassurance to avoid worry. Oh, thank you thank you. This part here? "If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox" is similar, but throws in the assumption that I'm a child, with the neat analogy to the WP sandbox. In none of my interactions have I talked to people this way. I don't send people boilerplate text. On Talk pages...I... talk. I ask questions, I answer questions, I analyze. You know. Talk. How dare I, right? Although I admit it's faintly absurd to expect people to treat me with the decency with which I treat them, I will very likely continue in that fashion, privileging honesty, directness, plain speech, common sense, and progress, and following the rules. Vmavanti (talk) 14:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Catalog numbers are not gibberish fancruft. This is a specialist as well as a generalist encyclopedia.  For those knowledgable, catalog numbers give plenty of information about release dates, formats, and who the record was marketed to. I have never suggested that you have to include them if you don't want to, but you should not remove factually accurate, encyclopedic information because WP:IDONTLIKEIT.   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 14:58, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

DYK for None But One
— Maile (talk) 00:04, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Murder of Samuel Paty has an RFC
Talk:Murder of Samuel Paty has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Assem Khidhr (talk) 03:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!
 Happy Adminship Anniversary! Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 07:24, 23 December 2020 (UTC)