User talk:79.160.173.178

February 2022
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Sauron, you may be blocked from editing.

Please note that evidence, cited to a reliable source, is required within the text of an article to support every category. It is not enough for editors to believe a category might be appropriate by reasoning about it, that is called Original Research, which is forbidden. I do hope this is clear, feel free to read the policy for yourself.

Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Sauron. ''No, Wikipedia editors are not allowed to reason in that way, it is called "Original Research" and is strictly forbidden. You are heading for a block if you continue in this way.'' Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:44, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Letter 183
Letter 183 describes Sauron as a “Tyrant”, not a dictator. Do not add Original Research to articles like this.

Also you are going to violate WP:3RR and are likely to be banned for a period if you do another revert. GimliDotNet (talk) 21:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Inappropriate categories for Tolkien characters
I am sorry you are continuing to ignore warnings on this topic. You must not invent characteristics and misapply categories to Tolkien articles without a shred of evidence. This is becoming disruptive, so please stop. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, do not remove notices from articles, specially when they definitely apply to people like yourself. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

December 2022
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Morgoth, you may be blocked from editing. ''Um, you seem to be willing to ignore both edit comments explaining what you have done wrong, and both polite comments and actual warning messages on your talk page telling you in terms that your conduct is unhelpful. So, repeating an edit (i.e. editwarring) with a "comment" asking "why" is to put it mildly somewhat ridiculous. Your categories are grossly misapplied to Tolkien's characters, which is reason enough for their removal. If you want to discuss that, fine, but editwarring over it is not fine at all.'' Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:54, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * How are these categories missapplying Morgoth's character if Tolkien himself wrote these things about him?
 * "And he descended upon Arda in power and majesty greater than any other of the Valar, as a mountain that wades in the sea and has its head above the clouds and is clad in ice and crowned with smoke and fire; and the light of the eyes of Melkor was like a flame that withers with heat and pierces with a deadly cold." ― The Silmarillion, Ainulindalë
 * "Yet this is held true by the wise of Eressëa, that all those of the Quendi who came into the hands of Melkor, ere Utumno was broken, were put there in prison, and by slow arts of cruelty were corrupted and enslaved; and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar; and naught that had life of its own, nor the semblance of life, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindalë before the Beginning: so say the wise. And deep in their dark hearts the Orcs loathed the Master whom they served in fear, the maker only of their misery. This it may be was the vilest deed of Melkor, and the most hateful to Ilúvatar." ― The Silmarillion, Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor
 * "Now Melkor came to Avathar and sought her out; and he put on again the form that he had worn as the tyrant of Utumno: a dark Lord, tall and terrible. In that form he remained ever after." ― The Silmarillion, Of the Darkening of Valinor
 * "Therefore Morgoth took Maedhros and hung him from the face of a precipice upon Thangorodrim, and he was caught to the rock by the wrist of his right hand in a band of steel." ― The Silmarillion, Of the Return of the Noldor
 * "Therefore Morgoth came, climbing slowly from his subterranean throne, and the rumour of his feet was like thunder underground. And he issued forth clad in black armour; and he stood before the King like a tower, iron-crowned, and his vast shield, sable unblazoned, cast a shadow over him like a stormcloud." ― The Silmarillion, Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin
 * "For they came to the seat of Morgoth in his nethermost hall that was upheld by horror, lit by fire, and filled with weapons of death and torment. There Beren slunk in wolf's form beneath his throne; but Luthien was stripped of her disguise by the will of Morgoth, and he bent his gaze upon her. She was not daunted by his eyes; and she named her own name, and offered her service to sing before him, after the manner of a minstrel. Then Morgoth looking upon her beauty conceived in his thought an evil lust, and a design more dark than any that had yet come into his heart since he fled from Valinor. Thus he was beguiled by his own malice, for he watched her, leaving her free for awhile, and taking secret pleasure in his thought. Then suddenly she eluded his sight, and out of the shadows began a song of such surpassing loveliness, and of such blinding power, that he listened perforce; and a blindness came upon him, as his eyes roamed to and fro, seeking her." ― The Silmarillion, Of Beren and Luthien
 * "Morgoth though locally triumphant had neglected most of Middle-earth during the war; and by it he had in fact been weakened: in power and prestige (he had lost and failed to recover one of the Silmarils), and above all in mind. He had become absorbed in 'kingship', and though a tyrant of ogre-size and monstrous power, this was a vast fall even from his former wickedness of hate, and his terrible nihilism. He had fallen to like being a tyrant-king with conquered slaves, and vast obedient armies." ― Morgoth's Ring, Myths Transformed
 * "As a shadow Melkor did not then conceive himself. For in his beginning he loved and desired light, and the form that he took was exceedingly bright; and he said in his heart: 'On such brightness as I am the Children shall hardly endure to look; therefore to know of aught else or beyond or even to strain their small minds to conceive of it would not be for their good." ― Morgoth's Ring, Myths Transformed
 * "And Morgoth, the Black Enemy, as he came to be called, was in his origin, as he declared to Hurin brought captive before him, 'Melkor, first and mightiest of the Valar, who was before the world.' Now become permanently incarnate, in form a gigantic and majestic, but terrible, King in the north-west of Middle-earth, he was physically present in his huge fortress of Angband, the Hells of Iron: the black reek that issued from the summits of Thangorodrim, the mountains that he piled above Angband, could be seen far off staining the northern sky." ― The Children Of Húrin 79.160.173.178 (talk) 22:49, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Please read WP:OR. Original research is forbidden. You are attempting to draw conclusions by your own inference. Categories must do no more than summarize what is already reliably cited in the text of the article to independent, relevant, and good-quality sources. You will see that the article is in fact already cited to scholarly and critical analyses. We are limited in what we can write by what Tolkien scholars (and to a degree film critics) have written.

Further, nothing that is added may detract from the neutral encyclopedic tone of the article, and a mass of categories that, intentionally or not, shout teenage gaming fandom certainly don't raise the tone. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:48, 26 December 2022 (UTC)