User talk:80.229.0.24

Trisquel
Thanks for your contribution to this article, but by longstanding consensus operating systems that use the Linux kernel are called "Linux" on Wikipedia, as per WP:COMMONNAME. "GNU/Linux" is considered a minority POV term used by the FSF and its supporters. On Wikipedia the term is only used to describe distros when the distro itself is called "GNU/Linux" and then only when referring to the distro itself. If you want to change this consensus then the way to go about is not by trying to insert the term GNU/Linux into articles on distributions, such as on Trisquel. You should read Talk:Linux including all the archives of that page, to get the history of the problem as well as Talk:Linux/Name as this is where past consensuses have been formed. You will also want to read GNU/Linux naming controversy and its talk page as background as well. When you have the history of the consensus read then you can present your case at Talk:Linux to try to convince the other editors that all references "Linux" other than to the kernel itself in Wikipedia should be changed to "GNU/Linux". Be advised that this has been brought up dozens of times there, including recently and has always been soundly and conclusively opposed. - Ahunt (talk) 21:17, 25 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your assessment. Although I'm one of the minority that disagree with the decision to refer to the whole OS by the name of its kernel, I will of course abide by the will of the site. However, in this specific case I think the use of "GNU/Linux" is justified, even by your standards. Trisquel does refer to itself as "Trisquel GNU/Linux". Also, it's especially relevant for the "list of distros approved by the FSF", as the FSF intentionally does not endorese Linux distributions that don't call themselves "GNU/Linux". If you look at the official list of FSF-endorsed free distributions, they all call themselves "GNU/Linux".
 * So in summary, I concede that most distributions containing the Linux kernel will be called "Linux" on Wikipedia, but I think that the edits I've made here are worthwhile and important exceptions to this, as the distros themselves do not go by the names that Wikipedia seems to insist on using to refer to them. -80.229.0.24 (talk) 21:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * If Ford started calling their cars "autodynes", Wikipedia would still call them "cars", as per WP:COMMONNAME. In other words it doesn't matter what marketing terms distros use, we go by other standards because we are writing an encyclopedia, not doing marketing here. - Ahunt (talk) 21:46, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed, if Ford called their cars "autodynes", WP would still call them "cars", but if Ford started calling itself "ACME Motor Vehicles", would WP still call it Ford? That's a more appropriate analogy, IMO. Another one would be if a consumer magazine did a review/comparison of laptop computers, and published it as "A Comparison of Laptops Computers", and then WP referenced this as "A Comparison of CPUs". It's not a marketing issue, it's just plain wrong. –80.229.0.24 (talk) 23:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * But that is consistent with how we use it. When the formal name is used, as in "Debian GNU/Linux is a Linux distribution...", because that is how they call themselves, but not "Debian GNU/Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution..." because that is accepting their marketing term in the encyclopedia. - Ahunt (talk) 23:51, 27 August 2013 (UTC)