User talk:81.214.107.89

July 2023
Please refrain from using talk pages such as Talk:Armenian genocide for general discussion of this or other topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways, based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines; they are not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See the talk page guidelines for more information. Thank you. — Czello (music) 23:21, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

 You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Talk:Armenian genocide) for a period of 1 year for persistent disruptive discussion bordering on, and crossing the line of, genocide denial. Talk pages are for improving articles.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Black Kite (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Unblock request
81.214.107.89 (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

ANI request
@Yamla Can you start an ANI thread for me so that the community can evaluate this block? 81.214.107.89 (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Respectfully, do you think the wider Wikipedia community is going to look favourably on genocide denial? — Czello (music) 22:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Czello I do not deny genocide. I acknowledge the suffering of Armenians in 1915. 81.214.107.89 (talk) 23:00, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 81.214.107.89, you are free to do this yourself; you are only blocked from one single page. If you are not able to do so, I'm willing to do so. Note, though, that I'll be advocating you be blocked indefinitely from all pages, not just the one page. I strongly expect that's what the community will decide is appropriate, too, though obviously I can only speak for myself. --Yamla (talk) 23:27, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth
"CityOfSilver Here's my question to you: Were, in your view, the internment of Japanese Americans and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocide or do you deny it?" First question: no. Second question: yes.

I believe the internment was a wide-scale war crime for which its perpetrators, which would have included Franklin Roosevelt among many others, should have been punished. Because I've never seen anything that says there were people who were deliberately killed, in my view the internment was not a genocide. As to the bombings, in my view, they were both genocides and their perpetrators, from Harry Truman on down, should all have hanged. (This matter isn't related to your block so I'm not really supposed to be doing this but you asked a question and the discussion was closed before I could answer it. So I guess I'll see if I get in trouble for this.)  City O f  Silver  16:13, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Site-wide block
As per this close and the discussions therein, the IP address range you are editing from is blocked site-wide for six months and you personally are considered blocked from the site indefinitely. You have access to the talk page solely so you can contest your block. --Yamla (talk) 16:14, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Yamla Does the site ban apply to only English Wikipedia, all language Wikipedias or all Wikimedia sites? 81.214.107.89 (talk) 17:37, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Star Mississippi The closer does not mention the indef ban in the closing comments. Does the closer endorse this? 81.214.107.89 (talk) 17:39, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It applies only to the English Wikipedia. It specifically does not apply to Wikipedias in different languages and does not apply to other Wikimedia sites. --Yamla (talk) 17:44, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. Your behavior is a time sink. Go troll on another project so you can be blocked in more places Star   Mississippi  00:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This site is better off without this anonymous user on it. Good riddance, who cares, so long, etc. That said, it's really sad that this reply, which is flat-out encouraging an attacker to damage other projects for no good reason, is from an administrator. A successful WP:RFA is the site issuing a bulletproof vest and we're really getting it wrong if we're giving that sort of untouchable status to people whose temperaments are as gross and immature as what User:Star Mississippi is showing here.  City O f  Silver  00:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You're definitely reading more into my response than I intended especially considering I was the one who blocked them. Their question was whether they can edit elsewhere. They unfortunately can. But if they keep it up, they'll be glocked. Star   Mississippi  01:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, I too think your were reading too much into 's comment. In the context I saw it as irony, not as actually "encouraging an attacker to damage other projects". I think it was probably unwise for Star Mississippi to express their views in that way, for several reasons, but I'm not convinced that it was any worse than "people whose temperaments are as gross and immature"; in fact on the contrary, as that remark appears to have been meant literally, not ironically. (I also find it interesting that you think being an administrator confers "untouchable status". That is very far from being my impression.) JBW (talk) 11:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough @JBW and I apologize for that. Someone who is blatantly trolling (the iP, not @CityOfSilver in any way) sometimes brings out the impolite in me. I'll make all efforts not to Star   Mississippi  14:01, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I strongly, sincerely believe that administrators have far more leeway than policy allows. (As a longtime editor, I also have more leeway than policy allows, although not as much as admins.)  City O f  Silver  18:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that falls a very long way short of "untouchable status". JBW (talk) 18:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't think that's the case at all but we can agree to disagree.  City O f  Silver </b> 18:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Star Mississippi I didn't ask you whether I can edit elsewhere. I asked a question about the closure. 81.214.107.89 (talk) 01:08, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Asked and answered already. --Yamla (talk) 10:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)