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Romanian airports
Let's try discussing this for a change, shall we?

Now, let's take the case of the airport in Sibiu. In my view, it's absurd to include the Hungarian name there: for one, ethnic Hungarians are under 2% of the population in the city served by the airport. For another, the airport was established in 1943, a full 25 years after the area was no longer part of the Kingdom of Hungary, so it has never been under Hungarian administration. Finally, there is, as far as I can tell, no provision under Romanian law for referring to airports by any name other than in Romanian.

Your response? - Biruitorul Talk 18:40, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I appreciate your thoughts on Nagyszeben (Sibiu) airport, however, what is your excuse to continually remove the legitimate Hungarian names of airports in other Transylvanian towns such as Szatmárnémeti (Satu Mare) and Nagyvárad (Oradea) where Hungarians even today are almost half the population and had been the overwhelming majority of the local population until the 1970's. According to Romanian laws where the minority population is at least 20% the minority, in this case the Hungarians have a right to use their mother tongue, including bilingual language signage and names of towns and localities. Your response?


 * 1) Facts matter: in Satu Mare, Hungarians are 38%, and were 49.5% in 1966; in Oradea, they are 25%, and were 51% in 1966. They aren't "almost half", and haven't been the "overwhelming majority" since 1910, when Hungarian speakers were 91% in both cities.
 * 2) More to the point, the airports are run by the county councils, and just six counties have >20% Hungarians. Of these six, only three have airports (in Oradea, Satu Mare, Târgu Mureș). If you want to include the Hungarian name for those three, it's something that can be discussed. For the rest, it makes no sense. - Biruitorul Talk 01:50, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, facts do matter indeed. It is a well know fact that Kolozsvár (Cluj) had a Hungarian majority population right up until 1956 for instance. You seem to be supporting the eradication of Hungarians in Transylvania, by removing Hungarian names of cities and towns that are historically Hungarian and still having a large Hungarian speaking population, it is very clear you have anti-Hungarian sentiment. This is exactly what extreme right wing fascists such Noua Dreapta would like to see - the elimination of Hungarians from their own homeland. Hungarians became minority populations in their own cities because of Romanian chauvinistic policies to deliberately dilute the Hungarian element. You as a wikipedia member should not be supporting discriminating policies.


 * While Hungarians were indeed the majority in Cluj as late as 1956, that's irrelevant for today. There have been 5 censuses in the meantime, and at the last one (2011), they were 16.4% in the city and 15.9% in the county, so under 20%. Again, the only three airports to which the 20% rule might apply are Oradea, Satu Mare and Târgu Mureș. That is the consensus solution adopted by editors: minority names in infoboxes only if the population exceeds 20% at the last census. Otherwise, only in the text.
 * Wikipedia reflects reality but does not create it. We are not responsible for the dilution of Hungarian demographic strength in the cities of Transylvania; we only record and reflect that fact. - Biruitorul Talk 13:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

The Nazis said something very similar, they were just taking orders, they were not the ones behind the genocide.

Edit warring
Hello, I'm Mz7, and I'm an administrator here at the English Wikipedia. informed me about your conflicts on these airport articles, and I wanted to make you aware of a policy we have here against edit warring. "Edit warring" on Wikipedia is when editors repeatedly reverse each other's edits because they disagree on some aspect of the respective article.

Edit warring is problematic on Wikipedia because it is generally seen as disrupting the normal editorial process and can create animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, when it is clear that a disagreement exists, editors are encouraged to stop reverting and instead discuss the issue on talk pages, waiting for a consensus to arise before editing the article again. You and Biruitorul both seem to be repeatedly reversing each other, and while it's great that you two have started discussing here, it remains inappropriate to continue repeatedly reversing each other across these articles.

I know that this issue is something you care deeply about, but please try not to personally attack other editors. Comparing editors to Nazis is absolutely not appropriate here, and we value arguments based on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines over anything else. With this in mind, please avoid continuing to carry out this edit war or personally attacking other editors. If you do so, you may be blocked from editing not to punish you, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring or personal attacks.

I have also temporarily protected the article Cluj International Airport so that it can only be edited by administrators. This is done solely to stop the edit war and is not endorsement of the protected version of the article. Editors are encouraged to establish a consensus during the time the article is protected; if a consensus is established before the protection expires, I would be happy to lift the protection early. Mz7 (talk) 19:38, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

With all due respect, what gives you the right to remove the Hungarian language name for Kolozsvár (Cluj) airport? Why are you also discriminating against the indigenous Hungarian population of Transylvania may I ask? How is this acceptable from the viewpoint of the protection and rights of ethnic minorities who are indigenous to this region of former Hungary?