User talk:82.43.211.54

July 2021
Hello. Your recent edit to Thomas Tallis School appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. Meters (talk) 05:24, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * You strike me as a reputation manangement user. You are happpy to let very obscure and unreferenced Alumni stand (who make the school look good) and yet you delete Alumni who are referenced across dozens and doxens of international media articles (the only common theme being that they make the school look bad). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.211.54 (talk • contribs) 12:08, July 8, 2021 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Thomas Tallis School, you may be blocked from editing. ''Stop adding non-notable alumni. We don't list alumni who do not have Wikipedia articles to show their notability. See WP:WTAF. It has nothing to do with whether or not a particular alumnus reflects well on the school and your suggestion that I am attempting to manage the school's reputation is a baseless personal attack. See WP:NPA. The slightest look at my editing history would show that I have no particular interest in this school, and that I make similar edits on hundreds of school articles. This is at least the fourth time you have attempted to add such alumni. See WP:EW.'' Meters (talk) 19:03, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
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All very well, but you have not once given a reason for deleting these additiions. Given the extensive press coverage, why do you say they are 'non-notable'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.211.54 (talk • contribs) 02:21, July 9, 2021 (UTC)
 * Read what I have written. I have left multiple edit summaries saying that there are no Wikipedia articles for these entries, and I told you above that We don't list alumni who do not have Wikipedia articles to show their notability. A notable event does not mean that the people involved are necessarily notable. Again, if you think the people are notable then write the article first. Meters (talk) 02:37, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Thomas Tallis School. ''Stop adding non-notable alumni. Being on a reality show does not make someone notable. A redirect to a mention of the show he was on is not the same as an article about him.'' Meters (talk) 02:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * See WP:NOTINHERITED Meters (talk) 02:45, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Equally one might say that having a wikipedia article does not per se make a person notable. Look at some of the other alumni. An obviously self-penned article by a "professional" footballer who has made a handful of appearances for a few lower league clubs. Several people who may or may not have attended the school (no verifying links provided). Your razor has allowed them to stay. Why — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.211.54 (talk • contribs) 03:29, July 9, 2021 (UTC)
 * Please learn to sign and indent your talk page posts.
 * Of course "having a wikipedia article does not per se make a person notable". I never said it did. The existence of Wikipedia article is just evidence that someone has created an article, and it has not yet been deleted for notability (or other) grounds. As far as lists of notable people go, the existence of  a Wikipedia article does not make the person notable, but we take it as evidence that the person's notability has been shown. If you think there are articles  about non-notables then feel free to suggest that they be deleted on notability grounds. The venue to do so is WP:AFD.
 * For school articles we also accept that an alumnus has attended without it being sourced in the school article as long the person's individual article contains a sourced claim that they attended. I don't remember if I have checked all of the alumni on this school's list. I have thousands of school articles on my watchlist and I don't check each alumnus on every article.
 * You have been adding alumni with no articles to this school or sevens months now. You have attempted to add some of them multiple times. You are well-aware of the issues now, so if I notice you doing this again I will ask for a block. Meters (talk) 03:46, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

The links I have adduced state quite clearly that they attended the school, if you take the time to read down the articles. The issue specifically with murderers is that people, quite understandably, are reluctant to give murderers their own wikipedia page as it seems like glorifying them. I believe in the case of Danyal Hussein, I linked to the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Bibaa_Henry_and_Nicole_Smallman. I also gave an external link to a national newspaper article in which it quite clearly states that Hussein went to Thomas Tallis School. If you google "Danyal Hussein" and "Thomas tallis school" you will see that many national newspapers report he attended the school. I have no wish to glorify him, but equally he should not be airbrushed from history because the school find it inconvenient that they had a murderer attend their school. I have read the pages on Notability and if someone is reported in numerous occasions in the national newspapers over a period of months is considered by you to be non-notable, I do start to wonder what is notable. Certainly not some of the non-entities who have put their names on the Alumni section of the wikipedia page!
 * What part of "Please learn to sign and indent your talk page posts." did you not understand? Sign with ~ and indent with one colon per level of indentation.
 * And what part of my removing the entries because they did not have Wikipedia articles did you not understand? I said nothing about removing them because there was no evidence they attended. Again, see WP:NOTINHERITED. An article about a murder does not necessarily mean that the people involved are notable. It simply shows that the event was notable. It's quite common for non-notable people to be involved in notable events. I'm not going to waste more time on this. If you see problems then WP:SOFIXIT. If you think someone who is notable does not have an article then WP:WTAF. If you think there are non-notables with articles then nominate them for deletion. If you add more entries without individual Wikipedia articles I will ask to have you blocked. Meters (talk) 04:22, 9 July 2021 (UTC)