User talk:83d40m

Moved a discussion here to the article being discussed, Talk:Master E. S.

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moved a discussion here begun about a nickname for Sarasota to its talk page

moved a discussion here begun about Chandos portrait and the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust site to the article discussion page, Talk:Chandos portrait

Moved a discussion begun here about Alfred Lee Loomis to the discussion page for the article Talk:Alfred Lee Loomis

moved an inquiry from pdfpdf to that talk page

user:70.28.166.197
I've removed this user's edit to [{Engraving]]. I agree with you its clearly WP:POV and not sourced from reliable sources. That edit was made nearly two months ago. I will keep an eye on the user and any further infractions will be met with a block. In general its perfectly permissable to remove an edit like that one, and invite the user to discuss matters on the article's talk page. Good luck, Gwernol 20:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Great Trail
Thanks for the excellent additions to the Great Trail article. You did, however, include info that doesn't belong in this particular article and I will have to cut it back accordingly. House of Scandal 04:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note about your edit at Great Trail, have noticed a word left out that I will replace. I'll also take up a little further discussion at Great Trail under "discussion", Talk:Great Trail so it is available at the article. See you there... 83d40m 16:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Elizabeth, virgin queen, goddess, etc., etc., etc.
Goddess Elizabeth, invincible virgin, always (forever) queen, also (even more) Caesar(ess) of England and France, and powerful Empress of Spain, strongest fighter in defense of the Christian faith, wisest patron of all scholarship*, most fortunate* victor* of the immense (wide) oceans, founder of the College of Jesus (Christ College?) at Oxon.

* Literarum should be Litterarum; Faelicissima s/b Felicissima; triumphatrix is not classical Latin (oh well)

Hope this helps!. &#0149;Jim 62 sch&#0149; 23:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Guide to referencing
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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Luxor Sekhmet New Kingdom.JPG
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 * All that was deleted was the Wikipedia page for this image. It's hosted on Commons, so it's not supposed to have a page here; accordingly, I've deleted it under speedy deletion criterion F2.  Go to the image; you'll see that it still displays as if nothing had ever been done to it.  Nyttend (talk) 04:25, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Municipal government articles.
Two notes about your recent edit summaries for these articles.

Firstly the coding for hidden comments is still there, but it is in the "wikimarkup" menu below the edit summary box. It looks like this:

Secondly, as for the content, to categorically say that "mayor"s in council-manager systems are never elected is incorrect. Montclair, NJ for example has a mayor who is elected to that office specifically. (In practice, he serves as an at-large council member and presiding officer.) That's almost as common as a rotating mayorality. As no two states have the exact same laws regarding local government, to state absolute categories is problematic. oknazevad (talk) 17:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- I found the old format for hidden comments by going back to old edits... perhaps a heads up to the designers of the new format would provoke them to list this among the tools. It is so very useful at times.


 * I have rewritten the paragraph in council-manager government to include exceptions and used the community you pointed out as a link to demonstrate that, thanks, distinct exceptions are good and I did not have any to identify. 83d40m (talk) 19:24, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Re:User experience feedback comment
What statistics are you unable to view? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Ruby Woodson - 83d40m - poster - Florida Acacemy of African American Culture.jpg
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 * Thank you -- the file is a duplicate file and should be deleted. An error was made in the title of the image before uploading and was not acceptable (a spelling error), correction was made by uploading a new image with a corrected file name, which remains published at the article with all of the complete copyright information. When I realized the error, I could not find a method available to delete the image, but made note of the need to delete the file with the error in my summary. Perhaps a method of deletion should be available to editors who upload files in case of error -- after all, it is their upload. If there is a method for that please advise. Will copy all of this to your talk page for your convenience also, thanks again.

83d40m (talk) 13:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC) updated 83d40m (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Kitsch
I wrote you at Talk:Kitsch. Goochelaar (talk) 15:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
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"orphan" issues
Found three orphan issues on my user upload gallery. This is the only one for which I could not find a resolution -- to remove the orphan status. All of the images are in use on articles. This one had its extension changed by another editor and had entered some ether hovering above Wikipedia land. At least it is here to prevent impulses to delete it. 83d40m (talk) 02:01, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Hoxne Hoard
Hey, are you interested in this? Either remotely or in person? GLAM/BM/Hoxne challenge? Sorry about the edit1 Johnbod (talk) 00:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Pelican Press
Hi 83, I saw you restored the criticism section. It isn't policy compliant as it stands, so it really ought to be removed until you can find good secondary sources for it. I left a note for you on the talk page. Cheers, SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 01:50, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Cunningham
Please could you provide a reference for your recent addition to the Briggs Cunningham article? Thanks! Writegeist (talk) 03:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll look that up and give the reference in the next day or so. 83d40m (talk) 00:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Writegeist (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

synopsis of response - Thanks for your reply. I am an established editor here. I have no expectations of "ownership" and I have no problem with evolution, just with devolution. Improvements are to be sought, cowboys marching off to change things without taking the time to understand them, usually results in chaos, and that is how I see what has played out. The article has been turned into a discussion of one version of a statue, not of it as an aspect of a kitsch debate in contemporary culture in a city well known for its status in fine arts, as intended. The current article also has become disjointed and now even is launching off into discussions of other versions in other states. 83d40m (talk) 21:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion guidelines for Wikipedia Commons
really useful -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_guidelines -- keep here for reference 83d40m (talk) 15:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

get back re lionesses and tigresses
continue from Hoxne horde AgTigress (talk) 83d40m (talk) 02:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Question about the Gehry/Novartis building photo
It's a pretty photo that you uploaded of the building in Basel. I noticed a very similar one that was used on a commercial web site http://www.inpharm.com/pharma_company/novartis, but that site didn't give any credit. Is it also your photo? Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 21:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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Link to discussion on 13-image challenge and resolution
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Possibly_unfree_files/2010_August_23


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File:Map Seagate campus 83d40m University of South Florida Sarasota-Manatee.jpg

Possible derivative uploads by User:83d40m

Talkback
I moved your question from User talk:AnomieBOT to my own talk page. Anomie⚔ 18:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

File:New College 2005 campus master plan 83d40m day 1 - Stefanos Polyzoides et al.jpg
Go ahead and just reupload that file, and I'll add it to our current discussion. Thanks. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just getting back today after having to patch what I could (perhaps out of proper order) and log off until today. I have seen your further discussion at possibly un-free page and believe that the image remains a public document nonetheless. Will reply there. Thanks, and my apologies for charging ahead yesterday -- I had received no advice on the tags and I was running out of time yesterday while fearing that the images would be deleted without my having received guidance. All I envisioned was having to upload all of those images again! I followed what I thought might be appropriate.  83d40m (talk) 14:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Source references about Ancient Egypt.
Hi 83d40m, ................ (Duplicated using the same title at User talk:For7thGen.)

I'm sure the WP readers and viewers very much appreciate your excellent work, and I do too. But I and they now very much need your further expertise about the following quote, from the article Pharaoh:

"The royal lineage was traced through its women and a pharaoh had to be from that lineage or married to one of them if coming from without the lineage. This was the reason for all of the intermarriages in the royal families of Egypt."

This contribution of yours (16Sep07) may be too long ago for you to recall, but I and other readers do need whatever help you can give us toward a source reference for the quoted first sentence. I don't think we need to worry about the second sentence. Here at Talk:Matrilineality's section called Source references about Ancient Egypt, you can see how I got involved in this – and see other good things that can be done on WP, if a source reference for the first sentence is found and inserted in Pharaoh.

Your WP users hope that you (or your Ancient Egypt co-workers) can find and insert a source that meets WP's needs, and we all are prepared to wait quite a while for that helpful information.

Please notify me on my Talk page to alert me (if you succeed),   For7thGen (talk) 19:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Sarasota info box possible map replacement


if needed this may be used as a replacement for the info box map and to keep it from being deleted from gallery as orphan.

Sarasota, Florida discussion
I have started a discussion about changes to Sarasota, Florida, an article you have contributed to substantially here. Any comments, suggestions and/or criticism you may have are welcome. Thanks, VictorianMutant (talk) 05:33, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at AN/I
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Legal_threat_at_Talk:Jim_Gary.The discussion is about the topic Topic. Thank you. — Gavia immer (talk) 22:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Regarding that discussion, it'd be best if you left the entire issue to us at OTRS and the WMF office, and not contact User:24.187.152.112 or edit the Jim Gary article for a while. Doing so would make it much easier for us to solve the problem. We don't want to involve you unnecessarily in this! Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 23:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you -- already decided that leaving it to admins now was the best course of action and have been hanging around waiting for the cavalry to show up! - - - - 83d40m (talk) 01:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

WPEQ invite
Hi, I saw that you've been editing a few of the horse jumping articles recently. If this is an area of interest for you, I'd like to invite you to join WikiProject Equine. We've lost our specialist in the H/J stuff (I have some background, but I also have 1500+ WPEQ articles watchlisted, thus I've painted myself into a generalist corner) so if this is your thing, please join! Montanabw (talk) 23:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I will reply at your talk page, will look at the project, might be able to help. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Michaelvanbeurenretrospective poster 83d40m franzmayermuseum.jpg
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 * It is a fair use poster of a museum exhibition and it is attached to an article. Think this is a mistake noted in the middle of the upload and the completion of the edit of the article. Please let me know how it could be different from similar uploads that have not received such a notice. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Ira Aldridge
Oh dear, we seem to have had an ec. But I've finished now. Sorry! Johnbod (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw, seems we had similar changes as well... I figured I would wait for your completion and look it over before resuming. Thanks for the note, I'm onto something else, but will return to it today. Love the gallery... _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Frederick T. van Beuren, Jr., M.D. for deletion
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 * This is a stub to which more detail and references will be posted. It is about a recognized historical figure and family from the early history of Manhattan (from Dutch colonial times. before the revolution, and afterward) through today. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:08, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Michaelvanbeurenretrospective poster 83d40m franzmayermuseum.jpg
 Thanks for uploading File:Michaelvanbeurenretrospective poster 83d40m franzmayermuseum.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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 * Thanks for you note. This image is a poster. I have uploaded several previously without issue. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:02, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Frederick T. van Beuren, Jr., M.D.
We have a messy situation, because what you are editing there is the result of a cut-and-paste move which has lost the edit history. We are required by the license to preserve that. I have restored Frederick T. van Beuren, Jr. complete with history, on request from, and I can put them back together, but can we agree which title to use? Please reply on my talk page at User talk:JohnCD. JohnCD (talk) 15:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * PS: Normal procedure here would be to use just the name, unless and until an article was written for another person with the same name. If you see some good reason against that, "Frederick T. van Beuren, Jr., (physician)" would be the usual form - we don't put postnominal letters in bbiographical article titles, but use profession as a disambiguator if necessary. JohnCD (talk) 15:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, all fixed, the history-merged article is at Frederick T. van Beuren, Jr. (physician) and the others redirect to it. When you make any more, you will have to do some disambiguating. I suggest you put a note on the talk page to say why you want "physician" in the title, to discourage anyone from trying to take it out again in line with normal practice.


 * For future reference: cut and paste moves are a no-no because they lose the history. The license terms under which people contribute are that anything can be done with their contributions provided only that attribution is maintained. You can change an article's title with the "Move" tab, as long as the target doesn't already exist: if it does, it needs an admin because the move involves deleting the target. In that case you can apply at WP:Requested moves, or put adminhelp on the talk page with a request. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

titled/entitled
Apologies in advance for the rambling of this message. I seem to be even less able to write succinct and coherent messages in the age of Twitter. I am not trying to cast aspersions or insults, so please forgive if it appears that way. The real problem with the internet for me is that I'm more accustomed to arguing face to face.

The verb "titled" means exactly the same thing as the verb "entitled" within the relevant use of the article "Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc". I don't like edit wars, and will not get into one, but I feel your insistence upon the use of "entitle" in preference to the verb "title" is unnecessary.

You believe this is an improvement; I feel it is just a change, and that there is no cited reference that shows "entitled" is preferable. In fact, the latter has come about within the last generation due to its misuse. Dictionaries do not prescribe usage. They merely describe what is used, and the change has indeed come about within a generation. The use of "entitled" was not only considered incorrect by English teachers, but was specifically mentioned as incorrect in my student days (1970s), on the same list as misuses of "comprise", most of which have become acceptable. Such is the evolution of our language, but just because one is now acceptable because misuse has become use, it does not mean that the previous correct use has become incorrect.

If you wish to use "entitled" here, go ahead, but understand that I feel that your claim that it is an "improvement" is not correct. It is merely a change, and we do not make things more correct by insisting upon a own personal taste in phraseology. I feel your reasons given for the change smack of excuses instead for doing so. Either word is correct by today's reduced standard, and there was no reason other than personal taste to make the change, and no reason to insist that such a change is in any way necessary.

I think that your rewriting of the sentence that now starts "Because the copyright has expired" is more than a bit redundant, as most works of literature that are in the public domain are there for just the reason of copyright expiration. It would have been more relevant to state the reason for it being part of the public domain had there been a different reason. It is like saying, "because he had the most votes, he was elected."

However, I will not fight this, if you really want to insist upon it. -- Couillaud (talk) 01:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

. . ..

No need to apologize for length of your note to me, I often find it essential for clarity. Sorry for the delay in reply, I’ve been engrossed in several other matters. I too, avoid edit wars, similar to you, however, I will assert my argument (and engage in back and forth) with another reasonable person when I believe I am correct – so long as the discussion remains a rational exploration of our differences. If you had simply reverted my action without an inquiry, I would not have followed suit. Thanks for opening a dialogue.

I do not believe it is to the benefit of our readers (many of whom are not native speakers of English or who are reading translations of our works, but all of whom are seeking learning) to write our articles using "today’s reduced standard" (your term). That is the basis of my comment, "correct use of the language improves the encyclopedia and benefits our readers" and I will attempt to explain my reasoning.

The verb entitle dates from the fourteenth century as a verb meaning to give a title to, it is derived (ultimately) from a Latin verb that has the exact same meaning. Merriam Webster indicates - Origin of ENTITLE - Middle English, from Anglo-French entitler, from Late Latin intitulare, from Latin in- + titulus (title) and its first known use was in the fourteenth century so it is not of recent origin as you imply.

One should chose the best English word in writing. Used in our example, is entitled, is a form of that verb, meaning that its object is the title the author gave to a work (Twain gave the title to the work).

For clarity, one should use words that have as their first (primary) meaning that which is intended. That is the case with the verb entitled – it means to give a title to something (not a person) and usually by the person creating the work.

People who prefer to drop the first syllable derived from Latin. en or in, fall into the category that includes those who use flammable instead of inflammable because they fail to understand Latin and the root of the correct word, which means able to burst into flames – perhaps that came about through a failure in education and people whose limited understanding of in as meaning not. Title, on the other hand, has three definitions, 1) noun 2) verb 3) adjective.

The noun title means, 1 a obsolete : inscription b : written material introduced into a motion picture or television program to give credits, explain an action, or represent dialogue —usually used in plural  2 a : all the elements constituting legal ownership b : a legally just cause of exclusive possession c : the instrument (as a deed) that is evidence of a right  3 a : something that justifies or substantiates a claim b : an alleged or recognized right  4 a : a descriptive or general heading (as of a chapter in a book) b : the heading which names an act or statute c : the heading of a legal action or proceeding  5 a : the distinguishing name of a written, printed, or filmed production b : a similar distinguishing name of a musical composition or a work of art  6 : a descriptive name : appellation  7 : a division of an instrument, book, or bill; especially : one larger than a section or article  8 a : an appellation of dignity, honor, distinction, or preeminence attached to a person or family by virtue of rank, office, precedent, privilege, attainment, or lands b : a person holding a title especially of nobility  9 : a usually published work as distinguished from a particular copy  10 : championship.

The origin of title as a noun is Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin titulus meaning an inscription or title Its first known use was in the fourteenth century as well. It no longer has that singular meaning.

As a secondary meaning title is a verb that is derived from the noun, title. There is no verb root in another language as a precedent for this use, yet it is a common act to give a title to works. This is an important clue. This use as a verb resembles the contemporary creation of transitioning from the media-chop-speak eliminating a few words with a neologism instead of saying making a transition. Other contemporary examples of this process are phone (sound) rather telephone (transmits sound) or photo (light) rather than photograph (making an image through exposure to light) – the abbreviations of which leave off essential understanding of the meaning of the words.

I believe that the richness of our language is lost as we abandon our linguistic roots and believe that much of it occurring recently is the replacement of intelligible words with slang – because of the influence of mass media and advertising uses that arise from those lacking a proper education. Such declines in linguistic skills have led to widespread repetition that may be occurring frequently in "popular" use, but that does not mean that standards are abandoned among the better educated. I will remind you of your concession that correctness of earlier forms is not invalidated by contemporary changes in use. Furthermore, "popular" use does not necessarily persist. I believe that an encyclopedia is an appropriate place for standards to be maintained. Aren't we attempting to educate? Dictionaries establish meaning and often, do discuss use. Style manuals usually have a logic that is based upon data derived from just such sources.

This is why my change of is titled to is entitled is not merely a personal preference, as you suspect. I grant that the title of the work is—, is correct. I assert, however, that the work is entitled—, is a more correct verb form to chose than the one that existed in the article and, thereby, is a better use of the language. Not of great import, but one of those sticking points writers encounter when they are fond of language and its cultural origins. Although I won't "war" over it in writing that does not bear my name as author, I will continue to make it as a correction while editing here for public education and argue for its use, if necessary. Perhaps this gives you a better understanding of my edit summary. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 22:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

. . ..


 * While generations of 20th century English teachers all turn in their graves . ..


 * I understand your argument, but still respectfully disagree. "Title" was accepted American use for at least most of the 20th century (Mencken used "title" as a verb in preference to "entitle").


 * "I believe that the richness of our language is lost as we abandon our linguistic roots"'


 * Our linguistic roots include British spellings that we abandoned a century ago, e.g neighbour. gaol, & whilst. You did not argue that these should be reverted as well.  Perhaps you do, and I missed it.


 * You have presented your argument why "entitled" is superior, but it is still your argument, and (in my opinion) still your personal preference. We both have our reasons, but I do not believe that either is superior.  Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.


 * Let's agree to disagree on this. You increased the size of my user talk page by nearly a quarter with a single post, so please let's not do it again. :-)

--- Couillaud (talk) 16:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay _ _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:52, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

File:Tethys 83d40m AntakyaMuseum Turkey-fix2.JPG
If you'd be OK with that image being deleted, feel free to mark it with db-g7. I'm not sure what technical problems you were having before, but the image should be properly showing and non-orphaned. Magog the Ogre (talk) 15:48, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the inquiry, but no thank you -- I do not upload my images to the wikimedia commons and prefer that they not be taken out of where I upload them, as many of my images have been without my agreement. If I wanted them there, I would have chosen that option. I consider the deletion of images from my gallery and the location chosen by me as a loss of the recognition users -- supposedly -- are guaranteed by Wikipedia and never have understood why that oversight occurs. I would prefer that you return to my gallery all of the images so transferred out of it and into the commons.

As long as we are on this topic, one of my images of Tethys (different from the subject you inquired about) was renamed, apparently, by another user and has disappeared without appearing in the commons as my upload. It now bears recognition for the user who took it from my gallery. I would like a rectification of that as well.

Can you help with these requests? - - - - 83d40m (talk) 21:58, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

That oversight is because of WP:CSD. If you don't want your images to be deleted after they're moved to commons, you can mark them with KeepLocal. In the meantime, let me clarify: you want all your images that are on commons to be undeleted locally as well? Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Alright I've done it. I looked at both of your Tethys images, and they are both attributed to you on commons. Magog the Ogre (talk) 04:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you -- I'll look at the commons and my gallery and, yes, I would like all of the images I have uploaded to remain visible in the gallery of my uploads so I presume that means "undeleted locally". I'll begin using that tag, where does it go in the template when uploading images to work properly? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Looking at my gallery, I can tell that some others in the commons have not returned to my gallery. As soon as I have time, I'll note their titles and give you a list. Once they are returned I will follow your directions to alter my uploaded files in order to insert the tag needed to keep them local. Perhaps within the next week I can make the comparison. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I dont' know what you mean by your gallery. Magog the Ogre (talk) 13:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

If one looks at "my contributions" and selects "uploads" a gallery of all images uploaded by that editor is presented in chronological order. I did the comparison last night and my images in the commons that also need to be returned to "local" from deletion are, although I am not sure why, the rest my images in the commons remain in my gallery.
 * File:Thutmose I Family-83d40m-highContrast.jpg
 * File:GorgonSheild3p from Mourning of Akhilleus Louvre E643.jpg
 * File:10 luxor museum - Mut - dated 19 dynasty c 1279 to 1213 BC.JPG
 * File:Patentmotorwagen mit Karl und Bertha Benz.jpg
 * File:SobekhotepIII-DualRelief BrooklynMuseum.png
 * File:Trees to transplant from Punt to Egypt - Hatshepsut Mortuary Temple c.jpg

Once you return these six for me, I will place the "keep local" tag on all of my images (experimented last night with one and it seems to be a simple tag above "Summary" in the file). I will use it routinely for new uploads. I never knew of this and, as you are aware, resented the deletions I never authorized. Now I have a new tool to prevent that because you were polite enough to ask about the deletion instead of just doing it (as I have experienced previously), thanks again. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

OK; I'll deal the issues one-by-one: One thing a lot of users do to store a list of their files all in one place is to make a subpage. For example, you could make User:83d40m/gallery, and it would include all of your English Wikipedia uploads, and you could include your commons as well. Additionally, you could avoid the hassle of not allowing them to be moved to commons, and they would still show up on your subpage (as long as the deleting administrator does his job correctly; most admins are pretty good about that; and even in the unlikely case he didn't, then you could just fix the link and it would be good again). Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * File:Tethys 83d40m AntakyaMuseum Turkey-fix2.JPG is indeed in your uploads.
 * File:GorgonSheild3p from Mourning of Akhilleus Louvre E643.jpg, File:10 luxor museum - Mut - dated 19 dynasty c 1279 to 1213 BC.JPG and File:Patentmotorwagen mit Karl und Bertha Benz.jpg are all files you uploaded on commons. Although its images are visible here, commons is a different project, and you will only see it in your upload gallery there, not the one here.
 * Regarding File:SobekhotepIII-DualRelief BrooklynMuseum.png and File:Trees to transplant from Punt to Egypt - Hatshepsut Mortuary Temple c.jpg: neither of these images were uploaded by you at any point. I'm not sure how you came up with them.

regarding the trees -- the file itself states, "Author: Trees_to_transplant_from_Punt_to_Egypt_-_Hatshepsut_Mortuary_Temple.JPG: 83d40m (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC). Original uploader was 83d40m at en.wikipedia" and I am displaying them with their respective dates. JMCC1 states clearly that his upload is a derivative of mine in which a color adjustment was the only edit. I must note that Egyptians were not depicted in their art with such dark skin tones as the derivative displays -- they reserved depiction of that dark of a skin tone for cultural groups (farther to the south) -- and the adjustment makes their hair seem green.

I will check my upload records on the other and get back to you on it much later today... _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Satis worshiped by Sobekhotep III - 83d40m - Brooklyn Museum.JPG was uploaded by me in 2008 -- that is the correct name of the deleted file that should be reversed -- sorry, I do not know why the other file name appears in my gallery as well as mine (except that the subject is the same).

Will you be able to move the files that were not uploaded to the commons back, as you did with the first one? I will proceed with tagging to keep local. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Regarding File:Trees to transplant from Punt to Egypt - Hatshepsut Mortuary Temple c.jpg - you originally uploaded File:Trees to transplant from Punt to Egypt - Hatshepsut Mortuary Temple.JPG, which is a different file entirely. The latter shows up in your automatic upload gallery history on English Wikipedia, but for the former: the software has no way of identifying that it's a derivative (it just isn't programmed that way), so you'd have to add it manually to a gallery page like I mentioned earlier.

I've already undeleted File:Satis worshiped by Sobekhotep III - 83d40m - Brooklyn Museum.JPG on Thursday, so it's appeared in your automatic upload gallery as well. Magog the Ogre (talk) 19:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Files mistakenly uploaded to Wikimedia Commons
To the left is the file Thutmose I-83d40m-highContrast, which was uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons as an edited version of another image there. It shows Pharaoh Thutmose I of the eighteenth dynasty of Ancient Egypt, with his royal chief wife Queen Ahmose and daughter Neferubity. They were the father, mother, and sister of Hatshepsut. She became one of Egypt's most successful pharaohs.

To the right is the file GorgonShield3p from Mourning of Akhilleus Louvre e643, which was uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons. The Gorgon was one of the earliest Greek deities whose importance always remained in the changing pantheon.

In the second row, the image on the left is 10 luxor museum - Mut - dated 19 dynasty c 1279 to 1213 bc, which was uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons.

On the right is Patentmotorwagen mit Karl und Bertha Benz, which is an edited close-up from a historical photograph taken of the couple at a celebration for the inventor of the automobile, Karl Benz, and his daring wife, Bertha Benz who made the invention better through suggestions, making adaptations, and by becoming the first person to drive an automobile on a road trip (deliberately intending to market the invention and demonstrate its safety). I may have uploaded this image inadvertently to Wikimedia Commons while editing an article in the German Wikipedia, but that also may have been my only logical option if I introduced it there before into the English Wikipedia.

Because of the original upload location these files must remain there. Magog the Ogre suggested in the Tethys image discussion just above, that only by creating a special gallery page could the 83d40m images in the English Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Commons be merged for a complete directory. This documentation at my talk page seems sufficient at the moment. As long as the originals are kept where I uploaded them (and seek them as references) and attribution is correct, creating duplicates in Wikimedia Commons retaining that attribution should facilitate use in other Wikipedias, if needed. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:32, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Sarasota Florida - 83d40m - from mainland across bay front to Gulf of Mexico - new bridge.JPG
Hi - Your aerial photo is simply spectacular. I was wondering if by any chance a high-definition version would be available to print for personal use. As a member of the Sarasota Sailing Squadron living up North, I am looking for a large, framed reminder of how beautiful this area is. There are several really nice aerial pictures of the bay, but this one is the nicest of all in my opinion. Thanks, Erik  Enicefield (talk) 18:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment -- I have released this low-res version to the public domain for non-commercial use as one may see in the files here, but have no intention of releasing the originals of my work. Sorry that this version would not be useful for a blow-up. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Jim Gary and the overview article on Sculpture
I have addressed a question that I believe you have been involved in here. Bus stop (talk) 16:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, with Modernist wandering in, and me now fencesitting, you might consider reintroducing Gary in a slightly different way and see what happens. Carptrash (talk) 23:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate your willingness to reconsider and especially for your patience to explore further with an open mind. I was going to drop the objection to the elimination of the sentence... just to avoid conflict. Figured that since the sentence had stood for so long, it would be foolish to try a rewrite. I will if it doesn't sit well... _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to let you know that I have sought additional opinions by posting a question at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts page. Bus stop (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I presume that I may join in if I feel it is needed. BTW I am posting today about the listing that Gary's fine art garnered for him in Who Was Who in American Art, 1564-1975. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree with your edit here and I have explained why on that article's Talk page here. Bus stop (talk) 01:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * 83d40m—you are saying here that my post here is "confusing". I am not sure what is confusing but would you instead prefer that I initiate a new section at the bottom of your Talk page? Bus stop (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Stained glass
Thanks for the addition of Jim Gary's sculpture. Can you possibly include the location. Is it on permanent display? Or is it privately owned? Amandajm (talk) 03:12, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Jim Gary's life-sized figures entirely of stained glass are all in private collections, so I did not include a location. For the same reason, I also didn't want to include a full view. There are Gary sculptures on public display that include stained glass, but the glass is incidental to the larger metal sculpture in those works (such as his centerpiece of the Colts Neck memorial garden). I consider these life-sized figures by Gary as among his finest works. Being free-standing works so well executed that they may be displayed in the round and as beautiful from any view, they are exquisite examples for the use of stained glass (and his well-lauded skills). Some day this one may go to a museum collection, then a full image would be appropriate. Will expand the caption. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC) 15:38, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just add the words "private collection". Amandajm (talk) 15:58, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Already expanded it, too much? Feel free to chop. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine. It came out at the same length as the Leonard French caption.  Now we need a couple more.   Do you want to do a bit of a search on Wiki Commons to see if you can come up with something that isn't ghastly?  It's 3.25 AM in the land of Oz, and my bloody Blue Cattle Dog keeps woofing at fruit bats.  My neighbour will to chuck his steel-caps at him if he doesn't shut up!  Good night! Amandajm (talk) 16:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Love it! Go to sleep and I'll look for some more examples tonight or tomorrow... on my way off-line right now. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Mission impossible... nothing listed under "stained-glass sculpture" and no good examples found in related categories. Lots of "ghastly" works as you noted. Did find the work of Joseph Ferguson on the web, but not copyright free. Will keep it in mind, however, and will come back with other examples if found. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:32, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Signature artwork


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Cincinnatus
Hi, I backed out your edits to Cincinnatus. Please see the manual of style for dates and for abbreviations. In summary, CE, BC, etc should not have periods while US and U.S. are both acceptable and therefore articles should not be edited to flip-flop between one acceptable style and another.

Cheers, Dave (djkernen)|Talk to me|Please help! 13:42, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know -- do not understand why you reversed all of the other edits, however, along with the abbreviations. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Canola
It takes less than one minute to do a search on "organic canola" and see that it is available (including from major manufacturers). Please stop adding the unsourced false information.Novangelis (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * transcribed from editor Novangelis's page for continuity
 * canola oil does not equal organic canola oil


 * It takes less than one minute to do a search on "organic canola" and see that it is available (including from major manufacturers). Please stop adding the unsourced false information.Novangelis (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note indicating that there is organic canola "available" on the market. I readily concede that there is "organic rapeseed" that now is being referred to as "organic canola", however, I was not editing about "organic canola" -- I was editing about "products labeled as organic" and noting that if they contain "canola oil", food products may not be labeled as organic -- which remains a fact. Only if a food product is labeled as containing "organic canola oil" may it be included -- because "canola oil" _is_ a GMO (93% of the crop in the U.S. is GM canola), a genetically modified organism, and the wild plants quickly are becoming contaminated. Every organic item in a food product labeled organic must be listed as "organic ..." and GMOs are excluded by definition. After allowing for some banter with you, I intend to reinstate the edit, but will be more precise. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 05:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Will wait a while before posting again at the article, if no reply, will presume that there is no objection. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * No objections if you have a reliable source. 93≈100 is not a reliable source.Novangelis (talk) 16:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Spaces and reference tags
Hi, I noticed of yours where you inserted some spaces in front of reference tags. I have per WP:REFSPACE. Cheers and keep up the good work! - DVdm (talk) 10:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Neil deGrasseTyson quote 83d40m need for science literacy 2.PNG
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Neil deGrasseTyson quote 83d40m need for science literacy 2.PNG, has been listed at Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Eeekster (talk) 22:27, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

image nominated for deletion

 * File:Neil deGrasseTyson quote 83d40m need for science literacy 2.PNG is nominated for deletion at Files for deletion/2012 March 31. Please note that I have nothing against Neil deGrasse Tyson. It is just not necessary to make an image when simply typing words on the page is the appropriate method. You can use some sort of quote template like... cquote or .. choose one from Category:Quotation templates... I like the boxy ones better; they look less childish than the cartoon quotation marks.. anyhow, choose a quotation template. let me know if you need help. Ling.Nut3 (talk) 06:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your direction to the format and templates, that is all that would have been necessary in the initial notice, since the image was created in order to create a graphic design device that would set the quote off to the side of text. I'll create a quote box to replace the image. I'll let you know if I need help. Suggest inclusion of such helpful guidance as a part of the official notice process when a simple solution is available, it would save time for several people at the same time. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 20:36, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Nik Wallenda serial commas?
I'm confused, are you saying that having a comma before a conjunction is incorrect? or that you are making the article consistent? MOS:SERIAL states that the usage of "serial commas" is acceptable, as long as it is used consistently in the article, not across Wikipedia. Just curious.--UnQuébécois (talk) 03:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I do not consider it "acceptable" -- quite the contrary, I believe it is "essential" to use serial commas in order to prevent confusion and misunderstanding. I use serial commas consistently. So I think you may have misunderstood my edit. I inserted serial commas that were missing prior to conjunctions throughout the Wallenda article. Please note that the MOS states, "A serial comma... is a comma used immediately before a conjunction (and or or, sometimes nor) in a list of three or more items: the phrase ham, chips, and eggs includes a serial comma, while the variant ham, chips and eggs omits it..." (not using it is the variant, I use the standard). I hope that resolves your confusion. I did not edit the entire article, did I miss some places where they are needed? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Osiris myth
I think that this article should only address the direct influence of the Osiris myth itself, and not the worship of the deities related to the myth. The two subjects are closely linked, of course, but in the "Influence" section I thought it best to describe in broad terms the effects of the Osiris myth on the worship of the gods involved. Otherwise, the section would come perilously close to duplicating the articles about those gods. References to specific practices and images, I think, should be limited to things directly tied to the Osris myth. For example, the magical healing texts are specifically based on the episode of the myth in which Isis heals Horus.

Osiride statues, in contrast, make no direct reference to the myth, except perhaps in the mummy wrappings that Osiris wears—which are a standard part of his iconography. Therefore, if the image you keep adding belongs anywhere other than at Deir el-Bahri, it belongs in the article on Osiris. It really isn't that relevant to the myth. A. Parrot (talk) 03:56, 24 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that is a good suggestion, I'll look to see if there is a good place in these articles. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Gerald Massey 1856.jpg
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File:Gerald Massey 1856.jpg needs authorship information
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 * transcribed for record

''Hello, Sfan -- Regarding your note to me: ... ''Why are you challenging the copyright status of an image that was taken in 1865 and threatening to remove it from WP? Since he died in 1907, any image of him should be copyright free. Please note that this is the lead image on the article on the man. Although I am listed as a user of the image, I do not find the image on my upload file, however, it is noted as a duplicate, "File:Gerald Massey 1856.jpg from Wikimedia Commons". _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC)''

A kitten for you!
they are so cute

Stylishsummer123 (talk) 15:50, 15 August 2012 (UTC) 

Thank you
Thanks for the generous expressions of appreciation. Is Wikilove a new WP policy? _ _ _ _83d40m (talk) 17:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Editing
Thanks for your contributions. Please note that numbers over ten are written as figures, not written out in figures. See WP:NUMERAL. Also common words are not linked. See WP:OVERLINK. Thanks Span (talk) 11:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

File:The Sarasota News Leader 83d40m front page August 17 2012 .PNG
I have deleted this file since it was an obvious violation of copyright. The content of that website is copyrighted and they have a disclaimer that fair use of logos and banners is excluded with prior permission. You should know by now that we cannot simply take screenshots of other websites and publish them under a free license. De728631 (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Mea culpa -- hastily, I looked at the New York Times article and saw that an image of its front page was posted there. I failed to look carefully enough to realize that it was from the early 1900s and therefore, copyright free! I presumed that it was a fair use and proceeded to create the image. I'm usually much more careful. Thanks for your prompt action._ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:07, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. There might also be a chance to restore the image or use another screenshot under a fair use rationale. The article is currently being discussed at ANI and apparently it's not even possible to exclude fair use, no matter what the News Leader writes on their website. Let's wait how this turns out. De728631 (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, will await further information from you and can post the image again if it is allowed. _ _ _ _83d40m (talk) 19:18, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Sarasota News Leader


The article The Sarasota News Leader has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * New online publication with no clear notability other than someone sending out a prank issue. Currently a topic of drama and threats from the publisher at ANI (see talk page).

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. 69.228.170.132 (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Am waiting for completion of discussion with another editor on this. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with the image in the section above. It is a general notice that the entire article is has been proposed for deletion, a notion that I have already supported. The reason can be seen above, there is no indication that this fairly new online newspaper is notable enough to be included here. You may stop the deletion countdown by removing the deletion tags from the article's page, but then there's a big chance that a formal deletion discussion will be started afterwards. The only way to keep the article would be finding a few reliable and independent sources that have covered this website in-depth. De728631 (talk) 19:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said, I've already voiced my support for the deletion of the article. Notability is not measured by users subscribing to their page but by other sources reporting about them. So while we may now delete the article it could later be recreated when appropriate sources exist that establish the notability of this website. De728631 (talk) 20:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Sarasota News Leader for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sarasota News Leader is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Sarasota News Leader until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. The Bushranger One ping only 20:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I see you have made a point at the article talk page but you might also want to present your arguments at the deletion discussion proper: Articles for deletion/Sarasota News Leader. That's where the decision will be made of keep vs delete. De728631 (talk) 21:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- I did. Let's see what comes of it._ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 21:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Inclusion/exclusion of Jim Gary at article Sculpture
I disagree with your edit here and I have explained why on that article's Talk page here. Bus stop (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing up the meaning of your note to me. I am aware that we disagree, I think that was explored in 2011. I rely upon the immediate international coverage of Gary's death to indicate his status as a sculptor and believe it qualifies him for recognition for our readers. He was memorialized by the NYT, Time, ABC-TV, and most other prominent media. The numbers of people who attended exhibitions of his work while he was alive, could exceed some of the sculptors you list readily. His fine art is privately held internationally and never is cast off and sent to auction.

Without a doubt, he is the best example I have seen for the use of diverse materials in his work, so I have placed him among those being discussed in that vein. I suspect that you focus too closely on his whimsical works for a value judgment that might just be very personal. That is like focusing on Calder's circus and disqualifying him from discussion as a serious sculptor. The subject matter of dinosaurs was followed by Calder when he created a Stegosaurus after he met Gary and saw his. Chamberlain worked with automobile parts. Picasso often chose animal subjects in his sculpture. Gary's works are a thousand times more complex than Picasso's Bull head, yet are easily as effective a use of unchanged existing materials to create another image and they are created with the highest of skills. Our readers deserve to see not merely academic judgments, but works identified as notable in their lifetimes by everyday sources. As a fellow editor here, I will persist in placing entries where I see this as fitting and I would hope that you do not take that personally, as I respect your skills even though we do disagree on this point. I would prefer that the entry not be deleted. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 21:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for editing field research
Thanks for your light-editing of field research. It was a mess that really needed clean up. danielkueh (talk) 03:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not completed, but will return to edit the rest. I'll let you know when I have completed it. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 03:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Take your time. Thanks. :) danielkueh (talk) 13:32, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Lion of Menecrates
It is not "Lioness" but "Lion" and the name was sourced to the Museum site itself. Please do not change the name again, especially since it was sourced. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

In addition "Lioness of Menecrates" yields zero ghits. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

All those lionesses at Corfu
Thank you for the courteous notice of your reversal of my edit. Please clarify in the caption that "lion" is a part of a title that you can cite with a reference. If you mean to imply a formal title, please use a format, such as italics or initial caps, which makes that clear. I am comfortable with that formality. Many museums catalogues have items that are misidentified in long-standing titles. While recognizing the title, clearly, clarification is within our mission of providing correct information to our readers.

Beyond that, I see no logical reason for any of the other edits that were reversed (seemingly because of the one word in a caption not identified as a formal title). I will repeat the other edits which point out the presence of lionesses where misidentified as lions and the inclusion of that information for the reader, if missing.

The lioness has some distinctive physical characteristics that ancient artists were explicit in portraying no matter the ignorance of modern collectors, who often misidentified the subjects. Perpetuating such an error ignores potential cultural ramifications that may be quite relevant to understanding past cultures. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 03:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I am afraid you cannot repeat the other edits either because they happen to be your personal observations. So you cannot call any animal depictions "lionesses" if they are not described as such by reliable sources. That would be WP:OR. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 03:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:2011 cathy gallatin 83d40m SarasotaChalkFestival.png


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Entry made at discussion _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:13, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Please see which also is public art and the article on Public Art. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:2011 kobraMural 83d40m SarasotaChalkFestival.png


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 * Do not remove these tags! If you dispute the deletion, discuss it at the cited page. Eeekster (talk) 02:31, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Entry made at discussion including note that a correction of the entry on the upload form had been corrected and was reversed by editor challenging the images _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Please see which also is public art and the article on Public Art. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:2007 lori escalera 83d40m SarasotaChalkFestival.png


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Entry made at discussion _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:15, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Please see which also is public art and the article on Public Art. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Discussing it here won't help. Go to the deletion discussion page and talk there. Eeekster (talk) 01:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Spaces before refs
Please do not introduce spaces before refs, unless there is a compelling reason to do so. Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:18, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


 * To add to BMK's comments, figures over ten are given in digits and we usually write that 'she graduated from university', not 'she was graduated'. Thanks Span (talk) 00:23, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Minor edits
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File permission problem with File:Queen Tiye - cropped - probably with her husband Amenhotep III - 34 louvre
- Thanks for uploading File:Queen Tiye - cropped - probably with her husband Amenhotep III - 34 louvre - egyptarchive.JPG. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license.

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 * Thanks - Now send the e-mail you left on my talk page into the e-mail queue linked to above.

sfab00 img -- Not sure what you are asking for, but this is a stab at what I think you mean...

This is pasted from discussion at the talk page of sfab00 img:


 * Even though he states on his web site that none is required, I have the written permission of the creator for the use of his copyright-free low resolution images.


 * "From: Jon Bodsworth  Date: Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 2:11 PM Subject: Re: your photographs To: 83d40m coresp


 * Hi


 * Yes, that's fine. Use in any way you like.


 * All the best


 * Jon




 * On 16 Nov 2007, at 02:48, 83d40m coresp wrote:


 * I would like to use your photographs in Wikipedia -- you have indicated that the low resolution images are copyright free and requested an e-mail if used. Please let me know whether you need any other information. Thanks for the availability of your great photographs. -- 83d40m"


 * Is this a new procedure? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the confirmation Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:39, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Please confirm that what you requested has been followed correctly. If not, please clarify what you want me to do. _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:15, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Meteor videos
Slate isn't valid a reference for that? You deleted the reference. -- occono (talk) 11:58, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, it should be in the previous versions, let me look. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 12:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's been moved over to another sentence that said the same thing, no worries. Just wondered why it wasn't valid.-- occono (talk) 12:17, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * To clarify it was the line about Amateur videos. Doesn't matter now. -- occono (talk) 12:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 12:24, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Benjamin R. Jacobs - March 15 1954 - 83d40m - 75 years old.JPG
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 * It is unclear whether the uploader meant that he took the photo himself in 1954 or if he just scanned it. Stefan2 (talk) 12:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Convert to fair use the subject is dead (for 50 years), so no new free image can be created. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 07:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wonder how many scanners there were in 1954? The answer is, I took the photograph with a camera. A scan is necessary to put a photograph into a digital form and the digital image was uploaded to Wikipedia on October 25, 2008. The author is 83d40m. There is no reason to delete the image. The summary reads == scan of photograph of brj taken on 3.15.1954 on his 75th birthday (anniversary, of course) - from personal collection==, a quick look at the article identifies his birthday as 3.15.1879 and the file name clearly identifies the date and age of the subject. I believe that the summary identifies the source as "self made". (You guys have too much time on your hands to be debating what "is" "is"... but thank you for patrolling for the safety of Wikipedia!) _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Numbers format
Hi, thanks for your recent contributions. Just to flag that numbers under 11 are written in letters (nine, four, one etc). Above ten are written as digits - 20th, 15, 44th, 1941. It would be appreciated if you could make the minor alterations needed to the articles you have edited where the format was changed. Thanks very much. Span (talk) 18:04, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Chatham Borough
Not Chatham Borough, New Jersey again. I've waited a while, but it seems to be deteriorating. I have been formulating a poll in advance of a move request that will standardize all of the paired municipalities, the Chanthams, Boontons and such. After reviewing the Encyclopedia of New Jersey and the naming convention it uses for articles, the titles of "Chatham Borough" and "Chatham Township" would be the model for other such municipalities. I don't see any justification for any other scheme, but this can be discussed further. Alansohn (talk) 01:42, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * 83d40m opened up an offer of quoted dialogue in the Chatham Borough article, which I cut and pasted below. It is more convenient to reach resolution through a Talk page rather than internal notes in the article.


 * "This is the name of the government rather than the place. Even though I believe your change is redundant with "Borough" identified above it as the type of settlement, I am willing to accept this compromise at the moment -- would you be willing to change the title of the article to Chatham (borough), New Jersey to reciprocate the compromise?"


 * I believe 83d40m and I have now reached consensus on the original issue that would allow a settlement's official name and common name to be included in Chatham Borough Info box as has been done in other Wikipedia articles. Any new issues regarding renaming of the Chatham Borough article, which I do not recommend, has been previously addressed by others. See end of this communication for further details.


 * I would first like to provide clarification for anyone with a further interest in this official location name issue in the Info box.


 * It is not simply the name of the Chatham government. There should be no doubt by anyone that it is an undisputed fact that "Borough of Chatham" is also the official name of the location that has been assigned by the town as per their website, town signs, and official documents, all of which is documented research. Town road signs, which indicate "Borough of Chatham", do not welcome visitors to their form of government. They welcome visitors to their location's name. I do not consider it redundant.


 * Polling of Wikipedia users will not change this fact.


 * If anyone is going to challenge the official location name, they need to provide documented research.


 * I worked with 83d40m to provide a compromise, which shows both the common name, Chatham, which 83d40m prefers, and the official location name, Borough of Chatham, which I added. I have gone further to identify documented research to substantiate these changes and provide better understanding by 83d40m.


 * I also noted that Chatham officials, who best know their town, state that "Borough of Chatham" is their official location name and not just a form of government. While this is not documented research, it should give anyone pause since Chatham officials might be in a better position than outsiders.


 * If this practice is OK for Wikipedia's New York City article, it should be good for Chatham article. No one is arguing that the frequently edited and viewed New York City article should delete their official name of City of New York from their Info box, which is in addition to the common name, New York City, even though the form of government is shown as "City".


 * Summit, NJ (City of Summit) and Hackensack, NJ (City of Hackensack) similarly list their official names (shown in parentheses), along with their common name.


 * While this issue can help provide clarification with paired communities, it is really part of bigger issue that has nothing to do with paired communities. The bigger issue that needs to be addressed:


 * Is it acceptable to show both the common name plus the official location name in the Info box of a Wikipedia article for a settlement location if it is documented on the town's official website and town signs or in any other documented research? So far, various editors of individual articles have answered in the affirmative.


 * Just because another article does not use a certain practice, does NOT mean that it is not correct to use this practice in this article if Wikipedia guidelines do not advocate against it and other articles are already implementing a specific practice, which in our case was adding an official location name, along with the common name.


 * The issues noted above should be addressed completely separate from the naming of the Wikipedia article, which is currently Chatham Borough, New Jersey. Naming of this Wikipedia article has already been vigorously debated in extensive details over an extensive amount of time on the Talk page of Chatham Borough. I would NOT want to open up this Wikipedia naming topic again. If the Wikipedia article naming topic were ever opened again, which I would advise against, it would need to be publicly addressed on Chatham Borough's Talk page. 83d40m and I could not simply reach any agreement between the two of us on this separate Wikipedia article naming issue.


 * I welcome any further consensus and feedback.Wondering55 (talk) 05:59, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have reach consensus with Wondering55 regarding the info box. It involves a compromise by both, but is a reasonable solution for the time being. Thank you, editor Wondering55.

My apologies to editor Alansohn for raising this issue again, however, it has remained unresolved and considered in error by me all along. Because I have a passion for making the article correct, I believe I am justified in pursuing that objective, as tedious as it may be to other editors. I have researched for many aspects of articles of communities in this area and biographies of people born in this area. None of the subjects of biographies who were born in Chatham ever list their birth place as "Chatham borough", drivers licenses, birth and death certificates list the place as "Chatham", historical markers list the place as "Chatham". The basis of my argument is the difference between a place name and the type of government (which may change over time as in this case). There is a reason that maps do not list City of Summit, Borough of Madison, Borough of Florham Park, or Borough of Chatham on maps, they are giving the place names people seek and which reflect common use. When they do, one may take that as common usage.

Maps of this area identify Madison, Chatham, and Summit along the southwestern line of route 24 and farther to the southwest is Chatham Township.

There is a reason that the 'officials' asked about official names identify the government in which they function, create the signs mentioned, and sign the governmental papers. Regarding signs found in the town, note that the railroad is identified as "Chatham" the fire station is identified as "Chatham", the post office address is "Chatham". From the website are the following, "Living in Chatham", "Chatham Emergency Squad", "Chatham Joint Recreation", "Chatham Senior Center", "Explore Chatham", "The Minsi group of Lenni Lenape occupied the northern section of New Jersey, including the area of present-day Chatham.", "The trail became known as the Minisink Trail and followed a route that includes what is now Main Street in Chatham.", "In 1680 Sir George Carteret paid the Minsi the equivalent of $55 for land that included the present area of Chatham.", "Names associated with Chatham appear: Samuel Lum, Nathaniel Bonnell (also spelled “Bonnel”), and David Vanderpoel. These men settled in the area by the time of the Revolutionary War and made substantial contributions to Chatham’s early history.", "On November 23, 1773, the following notice appeared in the New York Journal or Advertiser: “Whereas the inhabitants of a certain village, situated at Passaic River, on the main road that leads from Elizabeth-Town to Morris-Town, found themselves under a considerable disadvantage from the place’s not having a particular name....the principal freeholders and inhabitants assembled together on Friday, the 19th inst., and unanimously agreed to call it Chatham.”, "Chatham’s citizens proved to be staunch revolutionaries and joined with leaders from other villages to form committees of observation and correspondence. Chatham citizens erected a liberty pole at what is now the corner of Main Street and University Avenue.", "Throughout the war Chatham was the scene of much troop movement. For two long winters Chatham served as a buffer...", "Shepard Kollock, an artillery soldier with a newspaper background, started the New Jersey Journal in Chatham...", "The army quietly left Chatham, heading south for Yorktown, Virginia.", "The trains that brought vacationers to Chatham also transported residents to city jobs. The “Chatham Accommodation” left at 7:15 a.m. and returned at 6:00 p.m.",  "John T. Cunningham, in his preface to Chatham: At the Crossing of the Fishawack, states “I doubt that any other community of Chatham’s size in this country has ever taken such a detailed look at its history.” More information about the history of the Chathams can be found in the following books, available at the Library of the Chathams or the Chatham Historical Society.", and it lists the following books,

1. History of Chatham, New Jersey. Ambrose Ely Vanderpoel. 1959 Detailed, scholarly work, dwelling heavily on the War of Independence. 2. Chatham: At the Crossing of the Fishawack. John T. Cunningham. 1967. The story of Chatham from its beginnings through 1966. 3. Shepard Kollock: Editor for Freedom. John R. Anderson. 1975. The story of the New-Jersey Journal and its publisher in Chatham, 1779-83. 4. A Village at War. Donald Wallace White. 1979. A story of the people of Chatham, New Jersey, at the time of the American Revolution. 5 Memories Entwined with Roses. Ruth Pierson Churchill. 1984. Pamphlet “Washington’s Ruse de Guerre.” Ambrose Ely Vanderpoel. Reprint of Chapter XVI of History of Chatham.

For more information: Chatham Historical Society

On the website the address of Borough of Chatham is listed as, 54 Fairmount Avenue, Chatham, NJ 07928

"Explore Chatham is aimed at providing trails and descriptions that residents and non-residents can use to experience Chatham's natural beauty and historical importance."

Note the location stated in the published works of Shepard Kollock. While his press was located there, his books, pamphlets, and newspapers were printed in "Chatham, New Jersey"

Two historical markers displayed in the town identify it as "Chatham", including the "Chatham Historical District". If any group hones in on "the place" being designated, it is during historical designation.

What is the name of the community garden, "Chatham Community Garden"

I will quote from one of the first discussions raised on this topic,

':The point that the name of the government is not the name of the town is well made. In fact, I believe we confuse city governments with cities in Wikipedia, and, actually, all kinds of governments with places. As to how to find out the real name of the town, it's common usage. Normally, they are the same as "official usage", so it's not much of a practical problem. --Serge 04:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC) '

Common usage regarding Chatham since 1773 has been Chatham, New Jersey (except for the activities of its government, which is to be expected).

I'm afraid that I must sign off until tomorrow, but will continue my discussion then. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:42, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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I have requested the renaming of the article on "The Chathams" (in which a joint school district and a sharing of the Chatham library with the residents of Chatham Township are discussed) to just that "The Chathams, New Jersey" and returning the title of "Chatham, New Jersey" to the article we are discussing that has been identified as Chatham, New Jersey for hundreds of years. "The Chathams" article was created by short time resident who for personal reasons wanted to be identified as a resident of Chatham, New Jersey when he lived in an apartment and attended secondary school in Chatham Township, New Jersey (after the creation of the joint school district and the expansion of library services that responded to the explosion of population in the township following WWII when open lands and large farms were converted to housing developments without any 'town' being developed—this was purely, classical suburban sprawl) and he created a new article on "The Chathams" and switched the title from the original "Chatham, New Jersey" article to his new article—renaming the original article as "Chatham Borough, New Jersey". He usurped all of the history related to the village that existed for hundreds of years and applied it to the article on the adjacent township where he lived. That township was a distinct rural region that was a remnant of the initial governmental organization efforts made after the revolution. It had few residents until the 1960s and only a small grammar school for the children who lived on the farms and in remote houses. By the time he became a resident the population explosion of the township had precipitated an increase that exceeded that of Chatham. The changes to the school and library system were in place by the time he resided there and it is obvious that he had no idea that the histories of the two communities were so different. He did not follow any suggestion I made about his incorrect assumptions. He striped the article on the original settlement down to nominal discussion. This editor was not a native of the country and his family had no history of residence in the community whose article he chose to alter for personal reasons that are complicated, and perhaps unnecessary to explicate. He had no sense of the local history. As I opposed the changes he made things escalated and by the time other editors became involved, it was no longer possible to understand readily the ramifications of his edits, nor was it an issue that other editors were want to plumb. Some of his changes were intended simply to muddy the waters enough that other editors might merely consider it a petty edit war. The changes he made have never been corrected adequately.

Residents of "Chatham, New Jersey" are passionate about their history. The number of houses displaying the date of their construction in the 1700s is remarkable. One author stated that "Chatham,, New Jersey" had studied its own history more than any other community in the country. Having to avoid articles in Wikipedia that often are driven to use the borough title to link to an incorrectly titled WP article is untenable to me as an editor with deep historical appreciation of subjects. The borough and township pairs that exist in New Jersey municipal governments compounded the entire issue. They had become problematic in a scheme chosen by WP that confused governments with the places they govern, introducing the subjects by defining them as the governmental name. Reaching a uniform resolution of that and making all of the corrections needed could entail a lot of work. That may dampen any enthusiasm for resolving the issue with three articles.

The common usage of "Chatham Township" as displayed on the map given above for an example is as a place name as well as a government organization of the place. The map displayed on an Internet Google search for "Chatham Township" clearly identifies the boundaries if it at

Likewise, the map displayed on an Internet Google search for "Chatham, New Jersey" clearly identifies the boundaries of it and shows its relationship to Chatham Township. The argument for common usage is rather clear showing that the two places are commonly recognized by those names.

As requested, continuing documentation of common usage in media of note that supports my argument includes the following,


 * "Aaron Montgomery Ward was born on February 17, 1844, in Chatham, New Jersey, to a family whose forebears had served as officers in the French and Indian War as well as in the American Revolution."


 * "Ben Bailey is a young comedian on the rise. In the fall of 1992, Ben left his home in Chatham, New Jersey and flew to Los Angeles with only forty dollars and a backpack full of clothes. Ben Bailey profile


 * "Reagan to Nominate Former Interior Aide As Labor Secretary, Mrs. McLaughlin was born in 1941 in Chatham, N.J." - The New York Times, November 3, 1987


 * Kafi Benz..."[b]orn during 1941 in Chatham, New Jersey" and the 1940 United States Federal Census lists the residence of her father and mother as Chatham, New Jersey


 * "Mr. Shipler was born in Chatham, N.J., graduated from Dartmouth College and joined The Times as a news clerk in 1966..." - The New York Times, April 17, 1987


 * "Alice Louise Waters, one of four daughters born in Chatham, N.J., is no longer just a restaurateur..." - The New York Times, August 4, 1996

This is how natives of the town identify themselves. That is common usage.

The post card displayed in the article, clearly declaring the location as Chatham, N.J. dates from 1911 and confirms common usage.

I list these because they are all from long after the borough form of government was adopted.

The notice at the top of the WP articles for the township and the town clearly direct readers to the WP articles on Chatham Township, The Chathams, and Chatham in New Jersey. Although I consider it an expendable article, if the title of the article on The Chathams were corrected to "The Chathams, New Jersey" and if the title of the article on Chatham, New Jersey were reverted to its original title the existing notices would clarify the differences for our readers and accurately reflect common usage. I am, however, amazed by the reluctance to adopt common usage in WP and the insistence on allowing an ill-advised change to stand for an article that merely covers a joint school system and a library service extension that easily could be covered as a paragraph in the articles on each of the real communities.

I have a long history as an editor in highly technical areas that require an understanding of very detailed nomenclature and precise use of language and, in contrast, this is so fundamental an issue that has such a simple solution, following the common use that has prevailed in language and geography for hundreds of years. Does WP identify an article on Paris or Toykyo to identify the name of its current form of government as the title of the article? They have changed governments dramatically in the last century, yet the place name is the same. Although I consider it less than professional editing and confounding a simple reality of having articles that are entitled with the place names. I could even accept the compromise I suggested of "Chatham (borough), New Jersey" as long as borough is not capitalized. It would be closer to an accurate title for the article.

The curious reality is, that an article entitled, "Borough of Chatham", could be written to discuss the government of that place in great detail. Of course, such an article would be better focused upon a very complex government, but the principle is evident.

I repeat this entry by another editor, who was asked to comment on my assertion of the inaccuracy of the title of the article during the heated debate in 2006.
 *  The point that the name of the government is not the name of the town is well made. In fact, I believe we confuse city governments with cities in Wikipedia, and, actually, all kinds of governments with places. As to how to find out the real name of the town, it's common usage. Normally, they are the same as "official usage", so it's not much of a practical problem. --Serge 04:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC) 

My motivation is to make WP the best it can be. My primary objective is correcting one article. Secondarily, I would like to corrections to all three articles. Perhaps, we can thrash this out enough to reach a use that does not make WP seem stupid and peculiar. At the moment, Chatham, New Jersey is a borough. Its government form has changed several times without the place name changing in common use. It might be time, however, for WP to wake up to its shortsightedness on this and begin to make inroads in its established standard format that is confused and incorrect—and most misleading for its readers. I would be willing to assist. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 20:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thank you, I recommend deletion - I have replaced the image with links to the source. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 13:51, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. We always appreciate when users upload new images. However, it appears that one or more of the images you have recently uploaded or added to an article, specifically Sarasota Chalk Festival, may fail our non-free image policy. Most often, this involves editors uploading or using a copyrighted image of a living person. For other possible reasons, please read up on our Non-free image criteria. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Werieth (talk) 18:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you want blocked? Werieth (talk) 18:42, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with the deletion on the basis of #8 '''Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding'''. This is an annual visual arts event and representation of its graphic details is most informative, and failing to provide examples of its contents is like having articles on artists without a gallery of their works. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 18:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We dont get to have galleries of non-free media. See WP:NFG Werieth (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

It is a simile, not an assertion of intent for this article. Please do not twist my words as you avoid discussion of the basis for my objection. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It is not avoiding the issue, it is in fact almost the same issue. WP:NFG, WP:NFLIST, WP:NFCC, and WP:NFCC all apply. You do not need to include a large number of non-free images. Werieth (talk) 19:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I would prefer to appeal this to administrators in the area of images. Unfortunately, you are an editor with a short history and your track record is patchy, showing other valid complaints about your decisions as well. Boldness is admirable, I exercise it as I edit, but your attempt to intimidate me with a threat to block me while I was in the process of making edits to eliminate the one image (Rosie) that I believe could be eliminated because of failing to qualify within our guidelines along with clarifying relevance to the text for others and your avoidance of the topic I put to you is of concern to me however. I sensed that you were hovering to exercise your preference, to exercise blind authority, or to justify your actions rather than allowing dialogue to ensue among peer editors arguing their points of difference. That motivates me to appeal rather than to continue the argument with you.

Save the one I did delete because a link to another article would suffice, the images you have deleted are not of the same types, they are from varied sources external to WP and therefore without potential for links, and they are quite helpful in showing our readers what is being described in the article about a complex performing visual arts festival spanning several days that is held by a nonprofit and attended, without fee, by the public.

The images posted to the article over the years are appropriate uses of non-free media materials. We are a publisher also and images make our articles more appealing to our readers. Counting the number of non-free images used in an article is not analyzing how those images available for the topic are effective educational tools offered to our readers. Few images of the works created in the festival are eligible because of copyright limitations so taking advantage of the non-free images available is one of the ways to overcome that in this article.

One of the images you have removed is the cover of a guide to the ten days of the 2012 festival that was donated as a public service by a local publisher. How more specific to a section of the article can an image be? It provided forty pages of details about the history of the festival, the artists invited to it that year, and the educational programs presented at the festival that year. That depth could not be covered in our article, but certainly provides our readers with a handy avenue to much greater educational information about the topic.

Guidance by our editors was given to the poster of another one of the images, after they sought our help regarding proper posting procedures and followed that guidance to post it, now you have decided to delete it.

The posters, which were published by the organization and disseminated freely as promotional materials, are prime candidates for us to use in our articles.

Rather than to belabor this with you, I appeal to higher authorized editors specializing in images. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

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Chalk festival image cont'd
transcribing discussion for continuity:

Stefan, this poster was part of the article,Sarasota Chalk Festival, and was among images deleted from that article by a new image editor. There is an unresolved discussion about the images. Should this image be retained until the differences are settled? If not, if found useful for another article or section of the initial article may it be reintroduced after a deletion? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * If the file is being discussed somewhere, then I agree that it would be disruptive to delete it. There was no indication that the file was in use when I found it. I see that it was used at Special:PermanentLink/566867170. --Stefan2 (talk) 01:13, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I made time to take the discussion further at the talk page for the festival and placed a copy of the images under discussion there so that they are visible, albeit very small. That also should prevent someone else from issuing another deletion warning. Thank you for your agreement on the need to retain this one image that could wind up without an article, until the discussion is completed. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 05:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please stop adding the files to the talk page. It violates WP:NFCC Werieth (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Your edits at Athena
Hi 83d40m. Your recent edit at Athena reverted some of my edits there. Was this an unintentional edit conflict? Regards, Paul August &#9742; 12:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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link to new article on Félix Martí-Ibáñez
NCurse— Thank you for the reversal of the link I inadvertently left behind in Medicine. Can you help me with the problem I encountered at this article while attempting to make a link to Félix Martí-Ibáñez (a new article I have started), who is the author noted in the footnote to his book A Prelude to Medical History?

I do not see a way to make a link to the new article in the Martí-Ibáñez footnote that exists in the section, Ancient World of Medicine, however I see that other footnotes in the same format do have links to the articles on the authors. When I examine those footnotes in the edit window, I do not see evidence of a link, yet it is there. The link must be in the original source for the book somewhere in WP.

Here is the citation,

it reads, ... name=mart90>

Where does this citation originate? I am hoping that I can access that citation in its original location so I may make a link to Félix Martí-Ibáñez there, that will be presented automatically with each citation of his book.

I am including a copy of my note to you on the talk page of the new article as well as on my own talk page. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:01, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

redirect created -- but title should reflect the correct spelling of Félix Martí-Ibáñez
I created a redirect for Félix Martí-Ibáñez that will route inquiries to Félix Martí Ibáñez, however, the article ought to bear the correct spelling of his name.

When I created the new article, the title came up without the hyphen and I can not find a device to correct the title. Any help will be appreciated. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:14, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Félix Martí-Ibáñez categories
GoingBatty— Thanks for adding categories to the article, Félix Martí-Ibáñez. Not being familiar with the guidelines for them nor all of the categories, I was reluctant to try more than a few. I do wonder, however, why you have changed some categories I had added and noted his affiliation only as Spanish for all significant categories for him. He emigrated to the U.S. at the age of thirty and became an American citizen. Although he is notable for Spanish culture, he is even more notable for American culture. His contributions to medical literature and history was international, being read by physicians, other professionals, and a world-wide audience among other groups. All of his books were published in English and through the publishing house he founded in Manhattan, where he lived until he died at the age of sixty. His command of English was remarkable. His most important writings were in English and authored after he had emigrated to his new county of citizenship. The vast majority of his professional work was in his adopted country and his clinical writings were in English. Can we reflect this by adding categories related to the thirty years of his professional work after changing citizenship? Or would it be better to revert to my categories regarding his professional work and merely create categories for his birth citizenship and location and also for his adopted citizenship and location? What are your thoughts on this? (Copied to my talk page also) _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Personal tastes vs. corrections
In John Kenneth Galbraith you made some corrections (under the edit summary "A light edit of the article ..."), but along with that changed some styles and spellings that were already acceptable. I have undone some of these: spelling, switching to em dashes, and numerals to spelled-out numbers. "Titled" is acceptable in American English (the variety in which Galbraith wrote); Merriam-Webster defines the transitive verb 'title' as "to designate or call by a title". Please see WP:RETAIN. Spaced en dashes and unspaced em dashes are equivalent, but one should not be changed to another in an article where one is used consistently. WP:DATE says "Centuries and millennia not in quotes or titles should be either spelled out (eighth century) or in Arabic numeral(s) (8th century). The same style should be used throughout any article". Again, wholesale switching from one style to the other is unwarranted and unhelpful. Notice the phrase "not in quotes or titles"; your edit even changed the style in the title of a book.

I don't intend this to discourage you from making constructive edits to WP articles. There is plenty of work to be done fixing misspellings, miscapitalization, bad grammar, missing punctuation and non-WP styles, but imposing your own personal taste on every aspect of an article should be avoided. If you have any questions about this, please visit my talk page. Chris the speller  yack  15:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

I may be misinterpreting your comments, but find them both condescending and a rationalization for replacing my consistent and acceptable edits with those of your personal tastes—while ironically, accusing me of having inserted my personal taste.

Except for one spelling correction—where I had inserted an apostrophe into "its" in error—the items you changed from my edit of the entire article contain no errors. Furthermore, I consistently changed the items required to be consistent throughout an article, if they were not, as required.

Reverting typography, as you have, to the limited range available to a typewriter—rather than that available to typesetting used professionally in publishing (and now enabled in composition on computers)—fails to present WP as a professional-looking publication, which always is my objective.

At least you consult the dictionary I consider authoritative, but one ought to compare the differences in use of alternative spellings thoroughly before expressing disdain for another editor's choice between what you consider perfectly acceptable—when you justify what you think is a correction.

The first definition of entitle is as a transitive verb to give a title to something and its origin follows a consistent transition from Latin (Middle English, from Anglo-French entitler, from Late Latin intitulare, from Latin in- + titulus title); to the contrary with your choice, the first definition of title is as a noun describing that which has been given and only its second definition is as a transitive verb without pure linguistic credentials and, there is reason to look upon it simply as a corruption of the noun.

When writing, best practices are to choose a word when its first definition is intended rather than choosing words with other primary meanings. Better to use the full rich vocabulary of a language than to muddy it through reduction, as if to a lowest common denominator.

I shall leave your edits even though I believe they diminish the quality of the article that I tried to advance to a higher caliber than it was before my efforts. Time may be wasted so easily by engaging in futile arguments, so I reserve my challenges for things of greater significance to me.

Thank you for catching that spelling error. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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You know File:Trees to transplant from Punt to Egypt - Hatshepsut Mortuary Temple.JPG? It is rotated top-to-right so it is unusable. At Hatshepsut I switched to the version from Commons. Why keep it here? trespassers william (talk) 00:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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This is a curious mess, my 2006 original uploaded and displayed correctly in the article, Hatshepsut, the date indicated is 2008. Later it was added to the commons and I am guessing that it skewed in the process and was rotated and renamed, because now it is listed as,.

At one time a 2011 version, Trees_to_transplant_from_Punt_to_Egypt_-_Hatshepsut_Mortuary_Temple_c.jpg, (which I can see today when accessed from your file as another version—no matter that here it is displayed as a non-existent file) was derived from my original by User:JMCC1 I objected to the use of this because of the distortion of the color. At that file there is a reference to my original file. Perhaps this is when the file was rotated, but I do not recall it skewing in the article then.

Don't know whether it is possible to determine an accurate chronology for all of this.

Now these images are used in five articles, however, with file names that were not created by me and without annotation at the original file or being cross referenced to my gallery.

It should have been tagged "KeepLocal" so I have corrected the file today and although I do not mind the file being in the commons, I still would like a copy of the correctly-oriented image that now is in the article to be kept local so that I may view it in my gallery. I do not see an option to edit the new commons file with a "keep local" tag. What options are available to achieve that? Can you help me with that? ____83d40m (talk) 01:33, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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 * in America), founded 1839, now known as The Baltimore City College . It closed in the late 1880s. The new Methodist-sponsored college for women was founded as the

Tiffany sapphire brooch
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Found at Gerda Arendt (talk) ff researched compliment.

A nice compliment, a nice image.

____83d40m (talk) 02:33, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Per your edit summary
There isn't a huge amount of independent coverage on the JSTOR/Wikipedia partnership, but there this short piece in the School Library Journal blog. Not the best, but School Library Journal is considered an RS, I believe. The Interior (Talk) 02:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll go to it. I had a conversation with another WP editor 200 years ago about WP editors with JSTOR access, I'll sift through my talk page and those of the likely articles I was working on -- for which I needed access to very early journals. The editor who responded might be able to point me to who is participating in the pilot program between WP and JSTOR. This would be so useful! _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 03:03, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Nice work
Glad to see someone taking the trouble to do some copy editing. I have one query where I think the sense may have been amended slightly - you'll see it in the page history v. soon if you are curious. Ben  Mac  Dui  17:30, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Ben   Mac  Dui, let me know where you think the meaning has changed and I'll be glad to revisit that. So many articles need editing—it is a real challenge. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:47, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I changed a letter here with the explanation in the edit summary. Pls feel free to tweak again as appropriate. Ben   Mac  Dui  17:53, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I am comfortable with the reversion, but will move the adverb. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 18:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Aegirocassis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Aegirocassis#Aegirocassis

This is the link to nomination for DYK. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 22:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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File:Jim gary 83d40m 2011.09.17appE13-14.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by 83d40m (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). Scan of a newspaper article used in two biographical articles about people whose actions are discussed in the article. I'm unclear how having a picture of the article better helps understand either topic. (WP:NFCC#8) B(talk) 01:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

thumb|095px - image was uploaded and inserted into subject articles on 2011.09.19 I believe this image contributes significantly to an understanding of both topics. First, it is useful because the subject sculpture is represented, and often, visual references can communicate more effectively than words, especially to show the range in size and subject matter. Second, because the artist is represented with his work, and being dead, that cannot ever occur again. Third, direct quotes exist in the article. Fourth, this publication frequently deletes files of previous articles, leaving no other access to the article other than such a graphic. Fifth, it demonstrates the importance locally of the subject and the artist, to be given a full page spread with many photographs. Sixth, the editor, who prepared the image and added it to the articles, carefully chose images to accompany the articles to make both an appealing article for our readers. Seventh, it is one of few images that can tie the subjects of the two articles to one another. This image has stood the test of time in articles that see regular traffic from readers. Fulfilling the guidelines for images, and not being in violation of any fair use criteria, it should be retained. Deletion should not hinge on the taste of one editor when no other issue exists (for it merely is a difference between two editors, not regulations). I fail to find how that difference could be determined as a valid criteria for deletion and object strongly to the nomination for deletion. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC) _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 13:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Meeting the criteria for fair use, the image was uploaded and inserted into the subject articles on 2011.09.19 and has been a feature of both articles continuously for four years. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 14:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Reinserted a tiny thumbnail of the image for references. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:07, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair use images are not permitted in user space. Period. --B (talk) 05:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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Inserting tiny thumbnail of the image for reference re the following,
 * File:1940s advertisement 83d40m w Crosley image .png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | [ logs]).


 * Free copyright tags but with a fair use rationale. The free copyright tags seem to be wrong. Is this the entire advertisement? Stefan2 (talk) 22:47, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes it is the entire advertisement. This image passed muster on July 22, 2014 with a fair use rationale attached. Crosley was a great sport fisherman, are we on an expedition? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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let me know when to begin replying
User B, Stefan2, et al — Please let me know when you have run out your exercise with the images I have uploaded. Obviously you are devoting a great deal of time in this effort even though presumption seems to be driving most of your judgments and your personal comments. When you have finished, I will begin to respond to each as time allows. Not having the luxury of free time that you seem to have, it will take time, but I will go through my records for each and reply. Please note the correct classifications for those classified incorrectly so that changes may be made. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The relevant image discussion is the best place to respond. What would be MOST HELPFUL is if you would not say "self-made" or own work for things what were clearly derived from somewhere else.  With something like File:1986 stamp 83d40m Athena .png, you say "self-made", but unless you work for the Greek post office, you did not make this stamp.  You are not the author.  If you are in physical possession of the postage stamp and you scanned it in, then okay, say that.  But scanning a 2D work on your scanner does not make you the author.  So what would be helpful would be for you to give an honest accounting of where your images came from.  File:Aegis of Isis - Sudan 300s bc - British Museum - 83d40m.JPG is obviously taken from the British Museum website - when you say "self-made", it strains my ability to assume good faith on the other images you upload. --B (talk) 03:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Not ignoring you, am very busy at the moment, will have some time about the middle of next week to begin to engage on these issues. Quickly, however, regarding the photograph of the stamp, the photograph I uploaded was self made and the description states that it is of a postage stamp. It seems a stretch to presume that given the description, I was claiming that I had drawn the stamp. Regarding your other item, although I consider my image of the aegis of Isis much superior to one on the web site of the museum I clearly acknowledged as its location (I think the difference in the two images is apparent), they do allow free upload for educational use and I could do that, but would lose my anonymity because they require extensive disclosure at registration. If there is a WP id that may be used, I would be glad to upload the lesser quality image, if you insist. Sorry for the delay, but will have some time next week. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Three points:
 * When scanning or photocopying the work of another, that is not considered to be an original creative work. If you scan (or photocopy or photograph) a stamp, then whatever country owns the copyright to that stamp still owns the copyright to your copy.  If the stamp is public domain (because, by law, the country does not consider its stamps to be copyrighted or because the copyright has expired) then it can be used on Wikipedia and you should tag it with the appropriate public domain tag.  If the stamp is NOT public domain, then it can only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use and must meet the requirements of our non-free content criteria.  Please note that the same is true if you are scanning something from a book, magazine, etc.  Even if you are doing extensive retouching to the image, your work is at best a derivative work of the original and so it can only be used on Wikipedia if the copyright has expired on the source.  If you found an image somewhere on the internet and retouched it, that is NOT appropriate for use here.
 * Wikipedia does not accept images under terms that permit reuse only for "educational" or "non-profit" purposes. In order to be considered "free content", modification and commercial reuse must be permitted.  So images from a museum that permits only educational reuse are not sufficient without an appropriate license.  If you would like to contact the museum and ask for such a license, WP:COPYREQ has instructions for requesting copyright permission and WP:CONSENT has a form that we ask that the copyright holder submit.  If you obtain permission from a copyright holder, you can have it sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org.  Emails sent there are completely confidential and your email address, real world identity, etc, will not be posted on Wikipedia.  The only thing we will say on Wikipedia is yes the permission is sufficient or no the permission is not sufficient and, if the permission was for multiple images, in general terms what permission was granted (e.g. "all images at site XYZ").
 * You should only call an image your own work if you created all aspects of it completely yourself. That means you stood a few feed from the actual object depicted, held the camera in your hands, and clicked the button to take the photo.  If you are modifying an image that you obtained elsewhere, then you need to say what the source of that image is.  It might be, particularly if it is very very old, that the copyright has expired and it's okay to use it, but you should still say what it is.  When you don't say what it is and half of our images are clearly derivative works of someone else's photos, that makes it hard to know whether the license claims on the other half are legitimate or whether they are copyright violations as well.  (See The Boy Who Cried Wolf.)
 * I hope all of this helps explain Wikipedia's policies in the matter. --B (talk) 14:59, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

An still without the time to reply adequately to this number of images and I expect that it may be impossible to find time to begin much before weeks from now. That being the case, it may be futile to pursue reinstatement of the images, for which I believe there are rational arguments against removal. It therefore, not being a personal issue to me, I may just move on and, in the future, attempt to avoid the types of issues raised regarding them (which I respect even if I consider particulars ill-founded), to provide more complete details in image data submitted, and, even though I consider it acceptable, to edit my own images—at whatever degree of sophistication I consider necessary for the particular application—into ones bearing other titles. Retaining access to the images removed, I believe that only our readers will suffer what I consider a loss of additional insights into the subjects of the articles. Time available to me, undoubtedly, will be used more beneficially in edits without such controversy or especially, without need for protracted defense of so many in one fell swoop, and the absorption of the precious time available to several good editors. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Aegirocassis
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 15:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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There was question of text contributions as well, in light of B's finding in this edit that you had closely followed your source. While I did find some copying issues in Municipal Auditorium-Recreation Club, with material taken from the Sarasota County Government website, my spot-check has not disclosed routine issues. Nevertheless, I need to be sure you realize that text content you add to Wikipedia must in almost all cases be written in your own words, except for brief and clearly marked quotations. If a source is demonstrably public domain or compatibly licensed, you may copy from it more liberally but are required to follow the processes set out at Plagiarism by noting that you are not just taking information but creative content from your sources.

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 * In spite of our general approach to CCIs, I did want to let you know that I have flagged two images you've uploaded on review of the CCI as "disputed fair use" as I do not believe they conform to WP:NFC. If it is determined that the files do not qualify under the non-free content policy, they might be deleted by an administrator within a few days in accordance with our criteria for speedy deletion. These files are File:Briggs Cunningham Time magazine cover April 26.1954.JPG and File:Thecollagesofjonathantalbot 83d40m cover .png. Both suffer from the same issue in that they are cover art being used in the biography of an individual, which is inappropriate excerpt perhaps when they accompany sourced commentary on the covers themselves. The second cover is not mentioned in the article; the first is, but the commentary on the cover is unsourced. The covers themselves must be notable for us to use them as fair use in this context, and the sourced commentary helps demonstrates that they are. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:45, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. As noted above, I am without the time necessary to address the particulars, but appreciate the professional quality of your notice. Perhaps at a later date I will be able to address the items you have noted, especially, the copyright-free status of governmental publications, and the difference of approach withing text regarding notable cover images. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2015 (UTC) Noting url for future reference - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/83d40m - reply made there for entry in history. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 21:23, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

City of London
I am unsure of when 'city' should be capitalised in this instance (although the text does say City of London is used to distinguish from city of London ie the metropolis, which has no formal status and is not legally a city). However part of your revert was 'municipal governing body of London,', this is clearly wrong, very few users ever use 'London' to mean 'the City of'. One of the main purposes of the passage is to clarify the difference between 'the City of' and 'the city commonly known as'. The 'City of' has few/no powers over 'the city called'(ie 'London'). Please name/ping if replying.Pincrete (talk) 08:38, 12 July 2015 (UTC) … … ''ps the distinction between the various uses of 'city' and 'London' is puzzling, even to those of us who have lived there! Unfortunately that's history.''Pincrete (talk) 12:01, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The fact that you admit that you are unsure and yet you reversed my edit really confounds me. Well, I am quite sure of the correct application of capitalization when it comes to the difference between the governing body (the City of London, a bureaucracy incorporated for governing alone) and a place (the city of London). I suspect that you have no idea of the distinction I made in my edits. This is a chronic problem at WP. If you cannot defend your reversal with facts, please refrain from them and I believe that wholesale reversals are outrageous when an editor takes an issue with one or more aspects in several edits by another. The sentence you quote as "clearly wrong" is bizarre because the governing body is called City of London, precisely as my edit indicated. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 03:38, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Lion man of the Hohlenstein Stadel
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 * Sorry, went to follow your instructions, and found a note at the top of the article, is that adequate to make the move? I have made redirects for the pages that should have been affected. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:22, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've replied at my own talk page. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:41, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

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Notice profundity of reason for diminishing the article for readers

(cur | prev) 16:24, 17 September 2015‎ Calliopejen1 (talk | contribs)‎. . (36,532 bytes) (-249)‎. . (→‎International traveling exhibition launched: rm unneeded nonfree image) (undo)

in this spree documentation.

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Decided to restore the image and provide rationale.

(cur | prev) 04:28, 21 September 2015‎ 83d40m (talk | contribs)‎. . (36,781 bytes) (+249)‎. . (Undid revision 681503327 by Calliopejen1 (talk) poster is—allowed—and is useful for readers to see the reception in another country - better understanding of its recognition) (undo)

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:31, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Image should be kept local — but put into the Wiki where it may be shared with other Wikipedias, in process of creating one in the Japanese Wikipedia — but not sure how to transfer the image. Need help with that. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 06:03, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Regarding comment by editor that the image was unneeded note text related to the poster:

"The exhibition was booked for a tour of Japan that began in April 1984. The poster displayed to the right was for the opening exhibition at a national museum in Tokyo that lasted through May, before making a six-month tour to museums in other Japanese cities. Posters were distributed in the cities that were included in the tour and they were displayed in buses, trains, and other public places to announce the exhibition in each museum."

What museums in USA would be analogous to those to which this exhibition went as a solo show? What museums in Britain would be analogous to those in this tour?

Where is the rule being used by this editor? Is this editor qualified to judge the subject of art and its professional standards? Is a national tour to the major museums in Japan of the works of an artist from the USA—unneeded information? Are the posters produced by the Japanese not a significant indicator of the esteem for the artist in Japan?

..................

Taking one image at a time allows discussion—a deviation from the spree initiated against images posted by this user—who now is being disparaged by the editor on the spree in edit summaries. I find this spree and the related behavior quite contrary to Wikipedia standards, as I know them, and suspect a personal agenda. Now a personal judgment by that editor of an image that cannot be taken down "for (presumed) causes" (that remain allegations) being unneeded is used for justification... This deserves examination (? bullying ?)

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from unfounded accusations of a "personal agenda". I'm working through WP:CCI and am helping clean up your uploads.  And the "spree" has consisted of less than a dozen images, with many more where I have improved the image description to prevent future deletion.  Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

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File:Clare Potter 83d40m fgi founder 1939.jpg
Who took this photo originally? Why are you the copyright holder? Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:40, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Same question re: File:Dudley S DeGroot 83d40m circa 1949.JPG. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:46, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

The first file records indicates quite clearly that the photograph was inherited. Why would you ask me to divulge information that would expose my identity?

The status of the second is a similar situation, with the photograph being an autographed promotional photograph (distributed and published widely) given to the person who gave it to me.

Clearly, they were my possession to do with as I chose and I created edits of them that I released to creative commons attribution. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:14, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Your description of the copyright of the second photo shows a misunderstanding of copyright law. Not all promotional photographs are in the public domain, so the fact that someone gave you the image does not mean that the image is free of copyright if you so declare on Wikipedia.  Similarly with respect to the first photo -- just because you inherited the photo from someone who possessed it does not mean that you can release the copyright.  (And the photo clearly is not "self-made" as you have indicated on the file page.)  Could you say something like "My father took this photo of DeGroot in 1949. I am the residuary heir of his estate and thus own the copyright." or something along those lines?  What you have indicated so far (that you inherited the photo itself) is not sufficient to establish its copyright status. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:25, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Karl Benz - early automobile logo w cog wheel - 83d40m.JPG
What is the source of this logo? Benz & Cie appears to have existed until 1926. If the logo was published before 1923 (which seems likely) the image would be free. But we need a source confirming the date the logo was used. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

==computer crawling - will try logging on on Friday 83d40m (talk) 00:15, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

The source for the logo is the company itself. This version dates to before 1909. A photograph taken at a museum was uploaded from my camera into Picasa and edited for upload to WP, which was given to creative commons attribution in 2008.

_ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:38, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Jim Gary - a way forward?
You seem to be in contact with Jim Gary's studio director. Would it be possible to discuss with him the possibility of having a few images released under a free license, following the process at commons:Commons:Email templates? It would probably be ideal to have a photo of Gary himself, a photo or two of his dinosaur sculptures, and maybe a photo or two of his other artworks. This would eliminate all issues with the use of nonfree images in Gary's article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:35, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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File permission problem with File:Map Seagate campus 83d40m University of South Florida Sarasota-Manatee.jpg
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 * User:Steel1943, Thank you for your efforts examining WP images. Please consult the WP guidelines for public documents. There is no copyright on this image, therefore, there should not be a need to seek permission from a copyright holder.


 * This image needs to be removed from the list of potential images for deletion.


 * In theory, the taxpayers of the state of Florida "own" the public documents produced by a state university—not any member of its administration or staff. Florida has the broadest sunshine and public records laws in the United States of America. There is extensive discussion of public records or documents related to this image at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2010_August_23#File:Map_Seagate_campus_83d40m_University_of_South_Florida_Sarasota-Manatee.jpg that includes documentation of the template:
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 * The result of the discussion was: combined into discussion below: #Possible derivative uploads by User:83d40m. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * File:Map Seagate campus 83d40m University of South Florida Sarasota-Manatee.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

Since when has USF been in the business of publishing "copyright free" documents? Never, to my knowledge. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the documentation provided at the next item, Possible derivative uploads by User 83d40m, which follows immediately on this page and discusses the freedom of information laws for Florida.

A state university falls under the same laws because it is an institution that is an arm of the state. Since it is in Florida, it must conform to the freedom of information laws of the state. All of the documents and images it releases, publishes, or broadcasts are openly accessible by the public following the state laws and, by her own laws, the state has no legal right to proscribe how they are used.
 * If you have seen a document, photograph, or record published by USF that bears her copyright, please advise me, it needs to be reported to the Attorney General of the state. The campus design process of Florida state colleges and universities is an open process, held with open and public meetings, and all of the documents developed in that process are public documents that fall under the laws noted in the following topic. 83d40m (talk) 17:05, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I find this to be a bit of a stretch. You can find such a copyright simply by going to http://www.usf.edu/index.asp.

While I appreciate your earnestness, I think you have to realize the implications of what you're saying. Does every professor who does work for USF have to release that work into the public domain? How about students who work for said professors? I really don't think that argument would hold up in court. Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you have failed to follow the discussion regarding the other governmental agencies that followed below. This map is part of the new campus design project that was a public process and is a public document. It is distributed freely after being printed with state funds. The documentation that resolves the other images clearly states that even if stated erroneously, there is no copyright on public documents produced by a state university. Please read the details on the template that should be used with this image.
 * This work is in the public domain in the United States because it is a State of Florida "public record made or received in connection with the official business of any public body, officer, or employee of the state, or persons acting on their behalf," and does not fall into any of the various categories of works for which the legislature has specifically permitted copyright to be claimed. See Microdecisions, Inc. v. Skinner. In brief, the "Florida public records law ... overrides a governmental agency's ability to claim a copyright in its work unless the legislature has expressly authorized a public records exemption."
 * The legislature has never granted an exemption for this map. 83d40m (talk) 19:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's quite hard to determine the author, actually, seeing as you listed the authorship as "self-made". Can you please update this? If it was done publically (i.e., not by the state of Florida), then we can likely tag it with the same exemption as below. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It should be tagged with the same exemption as those below. I do not know what you are asking me to do. I have asked for guidance about how to use the pd-flagov already and no one has responded -- now my files are being deleted... which you told me would not happen until resolution occurred... not very reassuring. 83d40m (talk) 01:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Receiving no response, I have changed the data at this file page in an attempt to circumvent its deletion. You will have to review this. I find that I can not access the planning charrette image from the New College of Florida article that already has been deleted, so I am unable to attempt any change to its data that might follow your direction. Further direction for that one is needed. 83d40m (talk) 08:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the images's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


 * Possible derivative uploads by User:83d40m[edit]
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 * The result of the discussion was: relisted - see the subpage discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/Florida uploads by User:83d40m. Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the images's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


 * Today, I have updated the image file to clarify the source,

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Map_Seagate_campus_83d40m_University_of_South_Florida_Sarasota-Manatee.jpg&oldid=699140107 and I point out again that the image is in the public domain and the details of the template note that
 * This work is in the public domain in the United States because it is a State of Florida "public record made or received in connection with the official business of any public body, officer, or employee of the state, or persons acting on their behalf," and does not fall into any of the various categories of works for which the legislature has specifically permitted copyright to be claimed. See Microdecisions, Inc. v. Skinner. In brief, the "Florida public records law ... overrides a governmental agency's ability to claim a copyright in its work unless the legislature has expressly authorized a public records exemption."


 * and that the legislature has never granted an exemption for the image.


 * Florida has the broadest public information laws in the country and in the WP article on Public domain it is noted at "Government works" that [works of]governments are excluded from copyright law and may therefore be considered to be in the public domain in their respective countries.[27] In the United States, when copyrighted material is enacted into the law, it enters the public domain. Thus, e.g., the building codes, when enacted, are in the public domain.[28] They may also be in the public domain in other countries as well. "It is axiomatic that material in the public domain is not protected by copyright, even when incorporated into a copyrighted work."[29]


 * I do not think one needs to seek permission for images in the public domain. They are not copyright. There should not be a debate about "free-use" or "permission" regarding an image that bears no copyright. The image should not be listed for deletion and the "permission notice" should be removed from the file. As previously required, the image should be relisted as a viable image in WP. Please make the correction and notify me if it is not corrected.


 * The image already bears the tag that has been in place since the previous debate.

83d40m (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Please also see, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Map_Seagate_campus_83d40m_University_of_South_Florida_Sarasota-Manatee.jpg&oldid=699158044 83d40m (talk) 17:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Map Seagate campus 83d40m University of South Florida Sarasota-Manatee.jpgd from page of Steel1943 at permission for images without copyright? regarding image


 * Please note my response and request for correction regarding your post on my page. 83d40m (talk) 16:45, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

+
 * I went ahead and removed the tag for now. There's an issue with the "OTRS" tag on that file, but it looks like permission exists. Steel1943  (talk) 22:26, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * for reference 83d40m (talk) 14:08, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Steel1943, I added a new image to take the place of the one discussed above. The new one is,. I am hoping that this will solve the OTRS tag issue noted above. It looks as if attention is needed to make sure the image file is adequate, please advise. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thank you BracketBot or [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:A930913/BBpreload&editintro=User:A930913/BBeditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:A930913&preloadtitle=BracketBot%20–%20&section=new my operator's talk page] -- deleted the stray parens you detected and alerted me to fix. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:28, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

WP:Copying within Wikipedia
On 02:37, 22 May 2012 you copied text from Mary Anning to Louis Agassiz diff. If you make such internal copies you must a attribute it. See WP:Copying within Wikipedia. -- PBS (talk) 07:31, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I am having difficulty remembering that action on May 22, 2012 — can you be a little more explicit regarding the action and what remedy you are requesting? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * See the [diff] and read WP:Copying within Wikipedia -- PBS (talk) 21:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Also I first edited this page with a phone. It is very big and that makes it hard to edit with a phone. so please archive old sections (see help:archiving). -- PBS (talk) 21:32, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you mean by that, nor what it has to do with your original note to me. If you are limited by the equipment you are using, I would suggest waiting until proper equipment is available to you for the edit you seek to complete. Others cannot possibly know what you intend. Please read my reply again and respond to my question about the action and remedy you are seeking from me. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

WP:Copying within Wikipedia
An edit made to Romanos IV Diogenes at 05:39, 1 November 2010 by user:Oatley2112. On 18:14, 1 January 2013 you copied some of that text to Eudokia Makrembolitissa in your edit summary you wrote "a light edit of the article", but you copied some of the text from Romanos IV Diogenes. Please read WP:Copying within Wikipedia you have to attribute such copies otherwise it is a breach of copyright. Also in this case not providing attribution meant that you also cause a secondary problem because with your copy you copied a short inline citation without the corresponding source from the References section. This is a problem highlighted in WP:Copying within Wikipedia:

-- PBS (talk) 20:26, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I still have no idea of the exact nature of your issue with the content of the article. Please edit the article to correct the issue that concerns you. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 00:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I fixed the problem retrospectively.
 * In future, if you copy text from one article to another then link the name of the source article into the comment you add to the history of the target article, eg " " -- as described the guideline copying within Wikipedia. If you do not do this then you are creating a copyright violation. -- PBS (talk) 09:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, for the code and making the correction. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:13, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * A temple to Athena Polias, the tutelary deity of the city, was erected around 570–550 BC. This Doric limestone

Thanks, the correction had been made in the next edit, which followed closely. 83d40m (talk) 18:48, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

test signature change
testing change _ _ _ _ 83d40m 18:52, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Guy Laroche jacket image
Uploaded this file, but it has been quite some time since the last one, the form seemed different and am not sure whether it was completed correctly -- please advise if there is a problem -- and I will do whatever is necessary to correct any errors. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:29, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Person rather than patient
Per WP:MEDMOS generally Best Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 04:57, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Clare Hollingworth
Hi 83d40m - -I'm confused, in your edit you seem to have reverted my many changes for the past editing session -- was this deliberate? Or did we just have some sort of peculiar edit conflict? Espresso Addict (talk) 04:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Espresso Addict -- I had no intention to alter your work, it was an edit conflict that worked oddly, so I wanted to let you know that I apologize for any alteration of your posts. Not entirely sure how that happened. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi 83d40m -- no worries, I think I've got most of our edits now. When a page is being actively edited by others it's always best to just make repeated quick edits to specific sections, which minimises the risk of overwriting other people's edits when you save. The software handles conflicts very poorly. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 04:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Tethys 83d40m AntakyaMuseum Turkey-fix2.JPG


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Casing of "van Leeuwenhoek"
Thanks for your overall "light editing" of the article. However, please note this sentence from Note 2 at the very beginning of the article, on his bold-face full name:
 * Throughout the mid-1680s he experimented with the spelling of his surname, and after 1685 settled on the most recognized spelling, Van Leeuwenhoek.

Please restore the capital "V" throughout. (Also, even if it were properly lowercase in the name, English spelling rules dictate that it should be capitalized at the beginning of a sentence. The Wikipedia policies for article names, e.g. "iPhone", are irrelevant here.)

By the way, there is something very strange about the indentation here. Somewhere in the section just above this one, the indentation for everything moves rather far to the right and never returns, affecting even this section. I looked at the wikicode but was unable to see what might be happening. --Thnidu (talk) 08:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding changes to the indentation here -- it appears that you created the problem when you posted discussion of this topic above at the end of a thread last dated January 2016 (regarding the file for the Seagate map) and just before a new thread entitled March 2016, instead of here at the bottom of the page. See your entry there. Please find a way to correct this or else the page will remain skewed and, I would appreciate your letting me know when it has been repaired.


 * Regarding the lower case of the name at the beginning of the sentences but not for all other occurrences -- I checked The Chicago Manual of Style. Its Online search shows the retention of lower case at the beginning of a sentence for iPhone, eBay, and such as well because they are proper nouns, just as names are. So the convention should extend to languages such as Dutch. CMS is a significant manual of style for publications in English. I will followup when able to access the full manual. Please note that he experimented with the spelling of "Leeuwenhoek", not "van" (that always remained in lower case in Dutch). His name should be alphabetized under "L" on lists. I presume that discussion will ensue regarding this, Thnidu (talk), let's see before an alteration of my post. ____ 83d40m (talk) 12:22, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_(Dutch) for examples of Wikipedia using the lowercase "van" at the beginning of sentences. ____ 83d40m (talk) 12:40, 23 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Indentation: I did not cause the indentation problem; please see the page as it was immediately before my misplaced insertion. I was editing on my smartphone and encountered very long delays between clicking "Edit" and getting the editor, and I suspect that my misplacement there had something to do with the great length of this page (now over 2,500 lines), combined with the relatively slow download time to my phone. Please consider moving part of it— say, everything before 2015— to an archive page; that would bring the length down to.
 * I can't see any cause in the wikicode, but I suspected that it had something to do with the Florida public domain tag in your comment there of 16:35, 10 January 2016
 * and so I have tested it, as follows. Note: All my comments on this subtopic have two colons for indentation. The line of "BLAH"s in the test begins with no colon and is followed by lines with one, two, three, and again zero colons, to show where the left margin is at that point:
 * First by using Template:Tl to refer to the template without invoking it:
 * First by using Template:Tl to refer to the template without invoking it:

THIS IS A TEST
 * PD-FLGov

'''BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
 * '''WHEN IN THE
 * '''COURSE OF HUMAN
 * '''EVENTS IT

'''BECOMES NECESSARY
 * This does not affect indentation.


 * Then by inserting the tag unchanged, without "tl", as it is in your comment:
 * THIS IS A TEST

'''BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
 * '''WHEN IN THE
 * '''COURSE OF HUMAN
 * '''EVENTS IT

'''BECOMES NECESSARY
 * As you see, the tag introduces an irreversible change in the left margin. Template:Outdent doesn't help, either, here with a parameter of 20:

'''(THIS LINE HAS NO COLONS.)
 * Like that. Pretty clearly, there's a problem in the code of the tag itself.


 * I'm reporting the problem on Phabricator; the fix, when done, should undo the ill effects of your original insertion and my test just above. I notice that the PD-FLGov page itself "was last modified on 4 October 2016, at 23:17", after you inserted the tag. There may have been a change then that caused this problem, so that you wouldn't have seen it at the time.


 * Capitalization: Whew! Now that that's (hopefully) covered...
 * Quoting  van (Dutch) § Collation and capitalisation:
 * The "v" is written in lower case, except when the surname is used as standalone (when the first name or initials are omitted), in which case it is capitalised, as in "de schilder Van Gogh" ("the painter Van Gogh").
 * I erred in asking you to "Please restore the capital 'V' throughout." It should stay lowercase in the full name, Antonie van Leeuwenhoek. I ask only that you restore it at the beginning of a sentence, in which case the surname is used as standalone and the policy just quoted accords with English sentence casing. See, and the next section, , third paragraph:
 * A proper name is usually not italicized when it is used, but it may be italicized when the name itself is being referred to.
 * Oh my. I only just noticed another editor's edit shortly after your two:
 * 03:42, 23 April 2017‎ (talk | contribs)‎ . . (37,228 bytes) (-59)‎ . . (undo - there are too many errors to pick in the last two edits to pick them out individually. In English, sentences must start with a Capital Letter.)
 * Regards --Thnidu (talk) 17:40, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Thnidu! Looks as if you have discovered the indentation source and let's hope we see a reversal because of your efforts.

I will repost my second edit in order to overcome the recent reversal -- and will direct editors to our discussion and the Wikipedia page I noted to you. I'll let you know when a correction is implemented. Thanks again. ____ 83d40m (talk) 20:13, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Split auxiliaries
I was reading the gelatin article and I noticed that you reunited the split auxiliaries in the article in this edit. I'm curious as to why you felt the need, split auxiliaries are often considered more (or just as) natural sounding in English, and well, if it ain't broke...

Sorry, I'm a bit behind with my watchlist. Tomásdearg92 (talk) 00:12, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, it has been a while... please let me know exactly which change(s)you are discussing and I'll respond about it or them. 83d40m (talk) 01:22, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Likewise your recent series of edits. Please stop making these sorts of changes (like to 0, King Lear, etc).  They're generally inappropriate.  Thank you.  --Deacon Vorbis (talk) 23:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

These are editorial choices and WP is open to all editors. Edits that are not errors are supposed to be welcome. Constructive criticism is welcome, petulance and bulling should be avoided at WP. You justify your reversals and rebuke on your personal preference for a spoken and colloquial convention that differs from constructions used in formal writing; "split" constructions are defined as splitting a structure with something that breaks the structure. When correction of that break is achieved by minimal rewriting to restore the broken structure, such edits are restoring the structure. Often that is achieved simply, by relocating an adverb by one space, to the other side of the verb it modifies, equally as acceptable in English. Sometimes, a better solution involves other positions in a sentence, sometimes a rewrite produces the best result. I edit to take WP articles to their highest level, avoiding colloquial and slang constructions facilitates understanding for all of our readers (who may not understand such) and to facilitate translation by those with limited understanding of colloquial and slang constructions, as well as, across platforms in WP. You may change my well-intended edits following the philosophy of WP, but I find your insistence that I conform to your personally-preferred editorial style as rather despotic and indefensible. Equally offensive is wholesale reversal of an entire edit in order to dominate the process that is open to all -- often reversing clear corrections of spelling, punctuation, and other errors, or, obliterating enhancements to the article (occasionally noted in the edit description of the reversing editor, as astounding as that may seem). This is a lazy and despotic exercise that seems to be wielded by certain editors who assume a proprietary relationship over what is supposed to be collaborative work. Now, if this obsession were pursued consistently -- editors concerned with this issue have enough material in WP to keep them entertained for their lifetimes -- rebuking me for that ignored in the work of others and, stalking my work, rings another bell if it only is pursued in articles for which a proprietary relationship seems to exist. Certain editors will reverse an edit of an entire article for such petty issues and seeing their ID becomes a clue to consistent behavior. This may not apply to you personally, but you have brought up an issue regularly encountered, my apologies if the shoe does not fit, I have found the majority of WP editors willing to be collaborative and value their work. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:09, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Signature artwork for deletion
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Signature artwork
—can you tell me why you are inserting your vote in between other editor's votes at the deletion discussion pertaining to the article Signature artwork? I think you should be posting your vote beneath the last vote at the time that you are voting. Wouldn't that represent a more correct chronological order? I am referring to this post. Bus stop (talk) 16:13, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Pavement light
Thank you for copyediting pavement light, you caught a lot of stupid errors I'd made. Especial thanks for correcting my excessively interchangable use of "that" and "which". I'm learning, but it does not come automatically to me. Could I ask why you are worried about adverb-verb ordering ("also were" vs. "were also", "often taken" vs. "taken often" and so on)? I think I may be missing something here. HLHJ (talk) 18:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

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Tomb of Thutmose
Hello, many thanks for the corrections in the article above. You give the following article as further reference: Zivie, Alain, Pharaoh's Man, Abdiel, the vizier with a Semitic name, Biblical Archaeology Review, July-August 2018, page 23,ff Is that correct? From the title of the article I would assume it is about: the tomb of Aperel. In the title there is nothing to assume that is about the tomb of Thutmose. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 16:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you, not sure what your concern is, Aperel is another name used for Thutmose, the vizier and sculptor. 83d40m (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * no, these are two different people. There is the vizier Aperel under Amenhotep III and there is the sculptor Thutmosis, dating about 30 years later. The tombs are nearby, but these are clearly different people. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 17:35, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

The WP article and the references used from the archaeologist working on the tomb are about the same Thutmose, not Aper-El, "...particularly Bubasteion I.19 of the artist Thutmes (or Thutmose), who painted and engraved his own tomb and who was found to be the creator of the famous bust of Queen Nefertiti, presently kept in Berlin,* and of Maïa (Bubasteion I.20), the foster mother of Tutankhamun, who was found to be the princess Merytaten, the elder daughter of Akhenaten and sister of the king, who sat brieﬂy on the throne and functioned as a kind of regent before her brother was crowned." are quotes. You should read the article. 83d40m (talk) 18:16, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I do not have access to the article, just the title of the article made me think that it is only about Aperel and not about Thutmose. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 18:45, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

As you saw, at first I thought they were the same person, but after your note, read again and found that the article is about both. So I have learned from your note! Luckily, my edits do not need correction. Thanks for the heads-up. 83d40m (talk) 19:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Van Gogh edits
Hi, I reverted your edits to the Vincent van Gogh page. A consensus was reached on the Van Gogh talk page to use the capitalized "Van Gogh" over "van Gogh". The Van Gogh Museum also uses upper case. - HappyWaldo (talk) 03:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

August 2019
Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Temple of Artemis, Corfu. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Dr.  K.  00:40, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Temple of Artemis, Corfu. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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 * Curious overreaction, I recommend taking a break... _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:03, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Ha. Casting aside the fact that you are edit-warring against WP:RS terminology at, you are at this gig changing description to lioness since 2012. Check your own talkpage here, and the recent change at Tomb of Menecrates. It seems you are stuck at this gear no matter what terminology the RS use. If someone has to take a break, the best candidate is you who is edit-warring relentlessly against RS for the past 7 years. One more change like that, and WP:ANI is our next stop. Dr.   K.  01:14, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, a very useful bot. Correction made. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 09:45, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thanks again, Such a useful bot. Fixed it! _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 10:07, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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Donald Trump article
Hello! You added material to the Donald Trump article about the whistleblower situation. You added it in good faith, but I have reverted because the subject is under discussion at the talk page and consensus is not to put it in that article at this time. However, there is a whole article under development at 2019 Trump-Ukraine controversy that you may wish to contribute to. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:58, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, MelanieN, I did transfer one of the links to the controversy page, not being aware of it except from your note. Think the article referenced is an especially interesting perspective that our readers should be able to follow. And thanks for the spelling correction for me! _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 00:15, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thank you, Bearian. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:57, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Indentation continues since 2016
User:Bearian I would like help restoring my page so that it no longer indents automatically. The problem has endured since 2016, when another editor somehow reset the margin of this page to a deep indent. A good deal of space is wasted in the process. Can this be brought to the attention of editors who might be able to fix it? I do not know where to inquire about such an issue. It is not of great consequence, but annoying. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 00:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It took me three edits, but I did it! Avoid using more than two spaces before your signature. Bearian (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Bearian I am so grateful! Thank you, I do not know how to give merit awards, but you certainly deserve one! I'll be very careful regarding the spaces. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:11, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Midsummer Boulevard, astronomical alignment adjustment
FYI, I have reverted your (good faith) change to Milton Keynes per WP:BRD and opened a discussion at talk:Milton Keynes. If you disagree, please explain there. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:42, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for cordially communicating your rationale and inviting discussion. Your logic is understandable, however, as I have suggested at the talk page for the article, it might be advisable to insert a brief reference to a realignment of the street in order to motivate some readers to follow-up at the sub-page for details. Cross references make for a richer use of WP for curious readers and I also believe that long articles may have distinct advantages for providing data that might be lost on unrecognized sub-pages. Let's see what other editors think. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:44, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile, it may amuse/interest/irritate you to know that I have found a citation to support the footnote that says that sunrise aligns with the boulevard if (and only if) viewed uphill from near the station. See Central Milton Keynes. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll chose amusement -- thanks. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * Thanks Toddst1, will provide the source.

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Brazil, Marajoara
Don't you need to cite a source for the date of 400? I do not have easy access to the existing cited source (book by Mann), but apparently it gives a date of 800. It is strange to give a data of 400, and cite a source that says 800.

If you have a source you can cite, you might consider making an analogous modification to the article Marajoara culture. Thanks. Bruce leverett (talk) 04:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Good idea -- I will follow up on both. Thanks. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 04:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hyphens
Please be aware of Wikipedia's Manual of Style for hyphens, which says "Avoid using a hyphen after a standard -ly adverb (a newly available home, a wholly owned subsidiary) ...". In particular, on Watercress. Chris the speller  yack  03:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you._ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 08:08, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

"Serial Comma"
It's a very small thing, but that you for taking a non-religious approach to punctuation. --Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Isaac Rabinovitch I presume that your "that" was intended as "thank" and am grateful that you took the time to acknowledge appreciation, if that is what was intended. Such small things as a comma can make all the difference in clear communication. I strive to make sure they are used to facilitate that. I am not sure what prompted you to contact me, nor what you mean about the approach. Please let me know. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * My bad, I meant "thank you." The comma is helpful, of course, but what I appreciate is your calling it a "serial comma." Most people call it "the Oxford Comma," a term I very much dislike. --Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 01:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I dislike that name as well, but still appreciate the comma no matter what the name! Later saw the notation about which article was involved. Thanks again. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

image removal questioned
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Donald Trump
I don't have a problem with the wording, neutrality, or reliability of the sources you used for this edit, but I ask you to consider whether it's too soon to start discussing that, especially with just a short sentence like that. I'm not going to revert you, and if you choose not to self-revert I won't take it any further, but I believe it may be better to wait until the election passes and actually have a multiple sentence paragraph discussing this rather than just have a vague "non-information" sentence like this. Regards -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 01:38, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks User:Berchanhimez I understand your point, but feel differently. I think that it is worthy of note, as it is days before the election and the perception by these members of the media is that Trump will lose. It can serve as an assessment by some media as part of the relationship with them. I think a section in WP on assessment of his legacy will be separate, lengthy, and not available until after January 21 -- I think it is good for our readers to be able to examine the opinions of these sources -- they are not typical among the click-bait stories of the day. This reflects the relationship with the media rather than a post mortem assessment that will follow the change of administrations, if that happens. So I'll leave it, thanks. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:21, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

better image for Nekhen tomb mural
Want to keep a record of the better image, Túmulo 100 jpg, here since there are several being used. This one has higher contrast and color quality. It should be used in Nekhen and related Ancient Egyptian articles: Ancient Egypt, Gerzeh culture, Mural, Nekhen, Prehistoric Egypt, Portal:Ancient Egypt, Portal:Egypt, Portal:Egypt/Selected picture. Other resolutions provide manageable subjects for additional images. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 00:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for December 28
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 * User:DPL bot is most appreciated -- Carlos Moreno (scientist) was inserted to make the correction. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 14:01, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Marquardtika - Thank you! It always is nice to receive a compliment and to have appreciation noted for one's efforts to improve WP. I return the favor by noting my appreciation of your taking the time to do this. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Curious about the Wikipedia Library (moved)
(Moved from my talk. Please discuss here.)

Hi X4n6

I noted an edit you made following one of mine and appreciated your work. Rarely am I moved to look up an editor, but seeing some similarities in our user names and editing styles, I came to have a look at your page. I saw the long list of Wikipedia Library options you have exercised. Previously unaware of the availability of this, there is great promise in the partnerships. I am most interested in your experience with it. I know that I would like access to things such as JSTOR, scientific sites, literary journals, newspaper archives, and such that I do not have. Would you have time to and be willing to "chat" about this? I have some questions I would like to explore before applying. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 01:53, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi 83d40m. On occasion, I've found it useful to have additional resources to do a deep dive on an article. I recommend checking out the Wikipedia Library. WP:LIBRARY. There's a wealth of useful resources, many more than I use. If you find something you like, just ask for any necessary permission or subscribe. You already know you can check out the ones on my page, just be aware that a few, like Highbeam and Questia are gone. I keep them in memoriam. Hope this helps. Cheers! X4n6 (talk) 07:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

X4n6 - Thanks, does it entail having to disclose personal details other than the name chosen as editor here and an e-mail address? I looked at some of the information and could not determine whether that was the case for all of the partnerships, or just for some of them. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for all of them, but I don't recall any asking for anything more personal than an actual name and email address. In any event, no private info should ever be disclosed by the platform. But if you need verification, you'll likely be able to send an inquiry through any help section provided. X4n6 (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

X4n6 - Thanks. I have an email for my editor identity so that would not be a concern, but having an association of my personal name with the editor identity would be a concern for me. Perhaps a nom de plume would suffice? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 22:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Why not? Happy editing. X4n6 (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Condor and The Eagle (2019 film) (July 8)
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redirection help from John B123 to correct error in article name - Mary V. Ahern
transcription for future reference:

thanks, multiple errors re Mary V. Ahern

Stumbling through a mistaken attempt that resulted in the creation of the article, Mary V. Ahern (broadcast producer), was a second error while attempting to correct a mistake in an article entitled Virginia V. Ahern because the name was incorrect. This article, Mary V. Ahern (broadcast producer), was created in the second mistake and used for a cut and paste attempt to make the correction of name.

The final correction resulted in an article entitled Mary V. Ahern (producer), which should be the only correctly created article for this biography.

My apologies for the two errors of title. I never had learned how to move in order to correct an error in title! Will note all of this at the multiple articles. Lesson learned!

A notation at the directions about "moving to correct title" indicated that a bot would clean up this dreadful mess I made. Here's hoping that is correct, because the article, Mary V. Ahern (broadcast producer) was created incorrectly, is redundant, and should be deleted. As Annie Oakley declared, "I'll never do it again!" You placed a tag on this incorrect article that should be deleted. so I will remove the tag and make note of the complicated history. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi 83d40m, no problem. I've redirected Mary V. Ahern (broadcast producer) to Mary V. Ahern (producer). If you get into this situation in the future give me a shout, I have extended pagemover rights so can usually move pages without difficulties. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 16:58, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks! I was concerned because of having used cut and paste for the one you tagged and having seen warnings that using that process messed up the history carried with an article — again, my apologies. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

All's well that ends well! _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:18, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

History of discussion with John B123 for personal resource:

thanks, multiple errors re Mary V. Ahern
Stumbling through a mistaken attempt that resulted in the creation of the article, Mary V. Ahern (broadcast producer), was a second error while attempting to correct a mistake in an article entitled Virginia V. Ahern because the name was incorrect. This article, Mary V. Ahern (broadcast producer), was created in the second mistake and used for a cut and paste attempt to make the correction of name.

The final correction resulted in an article entitled Mary V. Ahern (producer), which should be the only correctly created article for this biography.

My apologies for the two errors of title. I never had learned how to move in order to correct an error in title! Will note all of this at the multiple articles. Lesson learned!

A notation at the directions about "moving to correct title" indicated that a bot would clean up this dreadful mess I made. Here's hoping that is correct, because the article, Mary V. Ahern (broadcast producer) was created incorrectly, is redundant, and should be deleted. As Annie Oakley declared, "I'll never do it again!" You placed a tag on this incorrect article that should be deleted. so I will remove the tag and make note of the complicated history. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi 83d40m, no problem. I've redirected Mary V. Ahern (broadcast producer) to Mary V. Ahern (producer). If you get into this situation in the future give me a shout, I have extended pagemover rights so can usually move pages without difficulties. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 16:58, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks! I was concerned because of having used cut and paste for the one you tagged and having seen warnings that using that process messed up the history carried with an article — again, my apologies. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * If you want the redundant pages deleted rather than being redirects then blank the page and add Db-g7. As there are no other Mary V. Ahern's on Wikipedia, the disambiguation of "(producer)" isn't needed and the page should be at Mary V. Ahern. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 17:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

John B123, perhaps there are residual errors. Mary V. Ahern (producer) has "DEFAULTSORT:Ahern, Virginia V." above her categories. Should that be changed to "Ahern, Mary V."? Also, should there be a way for a search for "Mary V. Ahern" to offer an option for "Mary V. Ahern (producer)"? I do not see that offered and am concerned that readers must know to call for the "producer" in order to be given a selection in the search box. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The DEFAULT needs to be changed. The search problems you outline are another reason to keep article titles simple and without disambiguation unless necessary. Regards. --John B123 (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Looks as if a final move to Mary V. Ahern put to rest the comedy of errors! _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 18:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
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 * Completed step three _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 03:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Clothing
Hi! in response to your corrections on the subject, i have tried to fix the things. Kindly check if they are ok now. Thanks and best regards RV (talk) 02:35, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I replied at your talk page. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Jargon
I guess you've got a lot of work to do. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Talk Well, thanks, looks like an epidemic! It's origins are in the used car business "pre-owned", devised in an attempt to avoid "used" and it just shows how influential all that television advertising is. Easily two generations now think that makes sense (sigh). It and the internet have corrupted our language rapidly. Not a task I want to obsess over, however, it should be resisted when encountered. Perhaps I'll rephrase it! Thanks for the clue._ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 22:40, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Error at File:Masaccio Self Portrait.jpg
Memo of record of note left on the description page for the file at Wikimedia Commons:

''Please note: The image presented in this file is a detail taken from

''Cappella brancacci, Resurrezione del figlio di Teofilo e San Pietro in cattedra (restaurato), Masaccio.jpg

''or

''Masacc15.jpg

''-- Resurrection of the Son of Theophilus of Antioch -- at the Brancacci Chapel not from the painting noted in the current summary as its source, Virgin and Child — even though the correct source is identified in the Notes of this summary. The detail is the head of the third figure from the right in the images I have provided here, of the correct painting. I do not see an author listed for this summary, so am unable to alert that editor about the error. The image is used used in many files, so should be retained, please do not delete the file. If necessary, contact me and, with agreement of other editors, I will make the corrections. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:54, 25 September 2021 (UTC)''

history entry:

15:54, 25 September 2021‎ 83d40m talk contribs‎ 2,452 bytes +1,069‎  →‎: noting the error in the summary of this file -- the image is a detail taken from Resurrection of the Son of Theophilus of Antioch in the Brancacci Chapel -- not the Virgin and Child'' as indicated i--- the data needs to be corrected; no author is identified for the summary, if necessary, with agreement of other editors, I will edit the summary - the file is used on many pages, please do not delete it. '' _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:48, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

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Assange further reading
We don't link to self-published blogs like the Taibbi bit you recently added at Julian Assange. Please review our PAGs relating to such links at WP:EL and WP:Further reading. Please self-revert that further reading link. Note that further reading links should provide access to the document being linked. It is not a bibliography. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 17:10, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, reverted it as a reference. Used the information as a subject in the Melzer article as an alternative. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:46, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
Season's greetings and Merry Christmas to you and your family. Have a wonderful holiday season. Cheers! RV (talk) 03:57, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:The Condor and The Eagle (2019 film)


Hello, 83d40m. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "The Condor and The Eagle".

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FAR for Norte Chico civilization
I have nominated Norte Chico civilization for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

buidhe, if your intent is to remove the article from the status of a featured article, I wonder whether that is an acceptable procedure in this case.

It appears that it has been a featured article, perhaps ten years ago. If that is correct, a status change would be a misleading deviation from a historical record. Perhaps, I am misunderstanding the process you are initiating.

Nonetheless, problems exist with the article that need to be resolved.

The title is inaccurate no matter which side of the naming issue one espouses. I object to the reintroduction in November and December 2021 of the incongruous name "Norte Chico civilization" and it seems you are one of the editors who reversed that from "Caral-Supe civilization" and "Caral civilization". The name 'norte chico', "a little north of here", is a contemporary, Spanish-language direction relative to another location in Peru. Using the term as the title of the article seems as incongruous to me as entitling an article about New York City as "The City" because taxi drivers in Long Island refer to it as such. Your defending that reintroduction because the article is written in English, a language different from the current one being spoken in the country of its location—makes even less sense to me. That relative location is unrelated to the ancient culture being discussed, much less what they called themselves.

I believe that the article should be renamed and the use of the identification used by the federal government of the country in which the site is located be used until the anthropological identification of the culture reflects a more professional description of the culture than using contemporary slang ("a little north of here"). At least the official government name describes the geographical area in the country and needs no explanation for our readers to understand the location and its use to identify the ancient culture. Once that is resolved, the historical nature of the evolution of the professional name for the site would be resolved and become a minor fact that may be stated briefly in the article—without a need for a separate article to discuss the supposed debate.

The article currently fails to meet standards for a feature article. So I will vote to keep it from being published again as a featured article, but am unsure whether that is your intent. Are you calling for a vote on whether the article be published again as a feature article? I would vote no about that because it is entitled incorrectly due to an unresolved polarity among our editors about the confused reporting about the site. I do not support obscuring the historical fact that the article has been a featured article, however. WP should attempt to maintain accurate records of its development.

So a vote about reinstatement of the more relevant title and identification of the culture ought to be asked instead—and I would support dropping the "norte chico, a little north of here" after a brief explanation in favor of using Caral or Caral-Supe for the culture to reflect the contemporary geographical locations of the sites found.

If you proceed with the proposed vote, please let me know the link to the vote, so I may participate. Once that is no longer in play, we should resolve the issue regarding a more accurate title and I would be glad to participate in that process instead of making another edit of the article that would protract the unresolved issue. Then the status issue should not arise again. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi 83d40m, thanks for your detailed reply. The purpose of Featured Article Review is ideally to bring it back to meeting the Featured Article criteria so that it can be closed as "keep". However, the article title is not part of the featured article criteria and being misnamed is not a reason to delist an article. If it's not possible to improve the article while the FAR is open, then it is closed as "delist". This does not erase the featured article listing and the article's status is recorded as "former featured article", the talk page will list the dates when it was featured and then delisted. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

buidhe, thank you. Again, when you have set it, please provide me with the link to the vote so I may participate. In the meantime, I may see whether I can resolve any of the issues that are driving consideration. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Where does
it say either here or here the words secret service? Yet you have it referencing a paragraph reading 'that warranted investigation by the U.S. Secret Service and other federal agencies.' Garbage referencing like this in BLPs is a major problem around WP and I have been saying this for a long time. Oh and how about that section on good referencing you have on this page that says- A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC)


 * User talk:WilliamJE — Thanks for better explanation of your deletion. Direct quotes were not in my edit creating the section. Another editor inserted those and I did not concur with the changes, but tend to default toward collaboration generally and thought other editors might chime in as well on the topic. Please review my initial post for the new section and determine whether it would eliminate the issues you are raising. I would be glad to expand the references, as you see, there are many sources elaborating upon this and it certainly merits presence in this article.
 * Gun control regulation controversy
 * Fine is a gun rights supporter. In the wake of horrific mass murder episodes in May 2022, immediately after the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School, Fine made comments publicly that became controversial. The comments were directed toward the president of the United States and warned of the consequences he would face if national gun control regulations were proposed in response to the episodes. Media coverage focused upon criticism of Fine originating from many sources who identified his remarks as insensitive, inappropriate, and possibly a threat against the president that should be investigated by federal authorities and the secret service.
 * If that does not resolve the issues you have with it, please suggest edits that would. Would be glad to improve the post. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:41, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Everything in the paragraph above is fine but anything that can be controversial/or states an opinion has to be referenced properly. If that requires a citation on every sentence, fine. BTW, I don't feel Patch.com is a RS. Miami Herald, Newsweek, and the other source that was there are fine if they support the paragraph like I said....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:45, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with William. This was not good text, and the writing is circumlocutory. Drmies (talk) 01:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Collaboration to produce better articles ought to be the objective of WP editors. That was being sought. The restored post was conceded by WilliamJE as "fine" and the references restored also were conceded as "fine", yet in less than two minutes after my restoring these two elements in a new section of the article, a scolding summary by Drmies seems to imply that another wholesale deletion was made without critical analysis. I will leave the deletion because I have no interest in pursuing some editorial confrontation, but I must note that the purpose of WP is to educate readers of an encyclopedia and to provide the information our readers may rely upon as relevant to the subject. The deleted information garnered attention from national media, but this trigger-happy deletion removes it completely from the WP article. Quick exercise of personal authority that is ubiquitous at WP rather than joining in collaboration to build better articles is a disservice to WP and a failure to fulfill what ought to be the objectives of each WP editor. WP and its readers would benefit more if "editors" would "edit" and not be dedicated "delete-rs" simply seeking deconstruction alone. Writing to correct or enhance is so much more constructive, I recommend learning how to collaborate. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 03:25, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for the lecture., learn how to collaborate! For me, it's probably too late--83d40m, I'm trigger happy ("The trigger-happy, scolding, judgment of Drmies, implies no critical analysis.") because I'm telling you to seek consensus on the talk page? Which is common Wikipedia practice? You may think that "educating readers" overrides the BLP, but you are not correct. Drmies (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Drmies, you are mixing subjects. Collaboration already was in progress with WilliamJE. That was fully visible in the discussion above (that you referenced) before you overrode the collaboration process. The logical next step I took was display for review by WilliamJE and yet you deleted the entire section. During my experience at WP, referring one to a discussion on the talk page of an article has never been synonymous with wholesale deletion of what supposedly is being referred for collaboration, much less—when a collaboration already is in progress. Your mixing the subjects seems a stretch to turn the table on an editor responding to the "lecture" given one, by you, in the first place. Regarding BLP, WilliamJE's concern about it arose out of the edits that followed the original post being restored. That would be eliminated by restoration to my original post and WilliamJE then addressed his concern about the sources. The restoration of the post was accompanied with additional resources provided in response during the chain of edits, noted by WilliamJE as "fine". Review was expected in case further concerns would be raised by WilliamJE and your wholesale deletion at that time seems incongruous. Regarding your further comment here suggesting my failure to take BLP into consideration while composing posts, I would like to note that on one hand, you cite BLP concerns and on the other, you cite wording expressly designed to avoid infringement of that principle as problematic. This is another incongruity. It also is another opportunity where you might have made a constructive edit to resolve your concern. These are reasons why I suggested learning to be more collaborative to you alone. WilliamJE already was engaged in collaboration. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for mansplaining that. I appreciate the bold, and the combination of bold and italics--without that I'd probably not understand any of it. Thanks also for the comments in your edit summaries; let's hope they insult me into doing proper critical analysis. Drmies (talk) 18:17, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started
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Thank you for creating Respiratory airway secretory cell.

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Hello, User:North8000, Thank you, positive feedback is a rarity here unfortunately, which makes it greatly appreciated. A quick pass through images you have posted on your page reveals your awareness of the frequent tenor. I just posted another new page, Florida Right To Clean Water. I do not know how to see all of the categories that may be attached to articles, and have posted some that might be relevant. Is there a list that I could explore for appropriate ones? I'd like to facilitate cross reference to the article. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 21:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Even after 65k edits and wandering all over Wikipedia I still have a whole lot of areas I'm weak at. Unfortunately regarding your question, categories is one of them. But either way I'll go take a peek at the article.   Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 22:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I took a peek. One think sort of jumped out. The subject of the article is the organization, but you really don't have much coverage or sources on the organization because 95% of the article is about the initiative / ballot measure. IMO you should either beef up coverage and sourcing on the organization or rename the article to the initiative / ballot measure.   BTW happy to take another look in the future if you ping me.   Happy editing! Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 22:42, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @North8000:
 * User:North8000,
 * Thanks, will wait for other editors to sort out the categories then. I really appreciate the assessment of the article. I understand the basis of your suggestion, but will leave the title and wait for the rudimentary organization to mature into operations in all 67 counties before going into more detail about it. Both the organization and the campaign were just launched and its development will change drastically in the two years of operation before the amendment gets onto the ballot. Lots of changes are inevitable. Then a switch will be made to campaigning for a vote in the election. The organization will change again upon passage of the amendment. That is when I expect it will reach its maturity and its long range nature will be evident. I will follow all this and adapt the article as the growth occurs. Likewise, happy editing to you as well. Thanks again, _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Victor Henri
You have made what you call "a light edit of the entire article" on Victor Henri. Light, maybe, but pointless in many cases, and at least once creating an error. Some people like a comma before "and"; others don't. Either is OK, and there is no justification for adding a comma because that's what you prefer. "over" → "more than" OK; your version may be better. Delete "but" from "but if born in France would be a French citizen" introduces an error, as now you have two sentences with only a comma separating them. If you must eliminate "decided to travel" you need "travelled", as the article is not written in American English. Clearly you don't like "mothers" in the plural, but why? Henri had a biological mother and an adoptive mother, so what's wrong with "mothers"? (It was that change that alerted me to the need to check the whole History, as I was sure it didn't say "the two women" previously.) "Henri was graduated": ugh! that's American, but the article isn't written in American. Why have you reversed the order of Michaelis and Menten? They used that order in their paper. "as they collaborated" confuses more than it clarifies: who did they collaborate with? If you really think it matters you can put "Henri's work was taken up by German biochemist Leonor Michaelis and his collaborator the Canadian physician Maud Menten." What's wrong with "et al."? Can anyone tell by looking if. is italicized or not? Can you? Athel cb (talk) 11:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Personal attacks, trolling, and baiting are out of place here. As a relatively new editor at WP, Athel cb, you might benefit from contemplating our principles of assuming good faith and working in collaboration to create the best articles we can for our readers. Our editors do not own articles, nor are they expected to spend their time criticizing edits without errors in the fashion you have taken. If you can not abide these principles, WP might not be the place for you—your talents and intensity might be more useful in other venues—I suggest that you refrain from personal posts such as this and stick to collaborative work on articles. I have replied to your post only to encourage you to become a better WP editor. I have no intention to participate in a petty editor's war, and will not engage beyond this. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 14:01, 23 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything in my comment that could be called a personal attack. There was no intention to offend you.  Athel cb (talk) 15:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the notice that this was not the correct place to submit a redirect. Am not sure what that means for the redirect. Will it continue as a redirect? If not, what must be done to enable it to continue as a redirect and advance beyond the draft stage? _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 13:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the notification -- replied on the discussion page, If there is the duplication as indicated, can see the rationale for removing the one not being used or merging the use to the extension, .jpg -- but see no reason to prohibit the uploading editor from being able to request "keeping local" and see no harm to WP for allowing the exercise of that choice by an uploading editor. Vote to delete this .jpeg file. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 05:01, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * User:AirshipJungleman29 — The additional references were provided at Ai-Khanoum plaque in anticipation of expansion of the stub article I was creating about the disk by other editors, such as you, who are interested in the subject and are likely to use many of them as they contribute. Having them at this stage could save a great deal of time and foster better edits as the article develops. Determining which of those I have provided are useless is better deferred until development seems essentially complete. Even then, most would be useful as further reading for our readers. My initial summary as I started the article indicates "previous WP discussion of the artifact" and that discussion is readily available from a logical link in the article. I previously cautioned you regarding what seems "ownership" issues and noted that I am interested in editing articles rather than "protracted talk page drama". I hope to nip that in the bud by reminding you. Please respect the differences in this article about the artifact as I did regarding your edits in the article that touched on this topic and motivated me to create a separate article regarding the "remarkable" disk. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:41, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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You must surely have a citation for the change you made? Would you add it please? (If you haven't got time to format it nicely, feel free to do a rough version here and I will happily format it for you.) -- 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:22, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Thanks — had no idea I was authorized to create articles without posting a request. Is there a way to alert qualified editors about that in the new creation process that would eliminate having to jump through so many loops? It is not a process used frequently, the process seems to change each time I have needed to use it. What is the correct page for me to use now for the creation of a new article? That could save both of us a little time! 83d40m (talk) 17:17, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * My message was a reply to AngusW🐶🐶F.
 * User:AirshipJungleman29 — per the article Talk_page_stalker — please take me off of your watchlist as your behavior is seeming more as wikihounding than your implication (with your foreshadowing lead to your post) that you are engaging in "talk page stalking". I previously brought up related issues regarding your attitude and would prefer that you refrain from such unwelcome behavior toward me so I do not feel compelled to resort to any of the solutions suggested in the article. Others have commented to you about your behavior. I'd like to nip this in the bud and avoid having to take time away from my editing to address such issues. 83d40m (talk) 22:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I regret to say that you are not, in fact, on my watchlist; I simply clicked on your talk page. I must also note that I fail to see how an answer to your question is "unwelcome behavior". Nevertheless, I am aware of your avowed aim to avoid "protracted talk page" discussion, so I will accept the spirit of your reauest more than the unkind words within. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:09, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * looks to be a bogus message — only post on record by the user
 * , archiving some of the content of your talk page has been mentioned in passing here. Right now, it's 463,909 bytes or about 0.464 MB. It might not seem like a lot, but it's roughly half a megabyte of text. To put that into some physical equivalent, a 1 MB is about 500 pages of text. This talk page is the physical equivalent of roughly 235 pages of text. The important part is that the parser has a lot of text to process. I know it's 2023 and shouldn't be an issue, but unfortunately, it still is. If I try to open the entire talk page, it can cause some slowdown on Chrome for me (I have 16 GB RAM and the issue is really the processing of text). Editors are providing suggestions because this is your talk page, it is really your choice. More information about the archiving process can be read on WP:ARCHIVE. For example, I have my my talk page archiving content on a loose schedule and you have full control of the archiving process. My discussions since 2004 are available and easy to find. –  The Grid  ( talk )  13:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. When I saw only one post by the user, I could not take it seriously. I do not experience the difficulty you have described and have no difficulty opening the page. Thanks for the recommendation, but I prefer leaving the page as it is. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 02:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * My note was inserted into summaries as requested regarding an edit of Filippino Lippi, that, although rephrased and integrated into existing text and new, was based upon text at the article, Sandro Botticelli, q.v. copy was moved in order to be able to use portions before being deleted — thanks DanCherek for the note, I failed to keep the reference as intended — now inserted. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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The infamous "light edits"
Please be careful to respect WP:ENGVAR, and not introduce American English into British English articles. Johnbod (talk) 03:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Johnbod
 * Ye title (unrelated to the topic of the note) suggests a personal isssssuuuue, eh? Although I find most of your edits to be good and that they contribute to the benefit of our readers, I think I have mentioned this insight to you before. That clue prompts me to respond in order to reveal to you factors that lead to that interpretation of your behavior, using this as an example.
 * I presume that Heraion at Foce del Sele is the article that provoked your note to me. My edit summary reads, a light edit of the entire article; moved images to match chronology.
 * It appears to me that the only British vernacular introduced into the subject article — would be your revision of my original use of "artifact" (sientific use in archaeology) that had not been used in the article prior to my edit — so I believe the shoe may be on the other foot. Do you think I should use your "logic" to reverse your edits that now have introduced British vernacular? The further vs. farther edit reversal relates again to something not in the original article.
 * I would suggest that when an article is started in the British vernacular, it ought to be labeled as such so other editors may be alerted to that rigidity of intent at the start. If that is not apparent and without that original dictate, criticism of an editor on these grounds seems only to be an "ownership" issue inserted after the fact. I doubt that retroactivity is a tenet of WP:ENGVAR.
 * examining the summary history:
 * 23:12, 5 January 2014‎ Furius talk contribs‎ 7,484 bytes +7,484‎  Translated from Italian
 * — two years later —
 * 16:41, 27 February 2016‎ Johnbod talk contribs‎ m 7,717 bytes 0‎  Johnbod moved page Heraion at the mouth of the Sele to Foce del Sele: usual in English
 * 20:30, 17 March 2015‎ Cydebot talk contribs‎ m 7,717 bytes +15‎  Robot - Speedily moving category Ancient Greek sites in Italy to Category:Ancient Greek archaeological sites in Italy per CFDS.
 * I note that your own first edit (in 2016) to the existing article states, usual in English. It does not state British English.
 * None of the British spellings that you introduced as edits of my recent edit — exist in the article prior to your first edit, which was two years after the article had been published. The edits I made did not change original language in the article, which remained essentially similar throughout its history.
 * I believe that your edits fail to improve the article, fail to meet your justification of the changes you made, and that they merit reversal. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 18:44, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Phooey! Furius's first version used "colour" etc. That establishes a style for WP:ENGVAR (plus an WP:ERA style was set). It is nice if people add a BrEng tag, but there is no obligation to do so. It is the responsibility of drive-by editors to check, which is normally easily done. As usual your "light copyedit" was a mixture of about 25% useful, 30% personal whim or no difference, 30% slightly worse, and 15% typos or changing the meaning based on misunderstanding (the peplos and burying the votives). You are lucky I didn't just revert the lot, as I often find it necessary to do -"I think I have mentioned this insight to you before" indeed.  Johnbod (talk) 19:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And for heaven's sake archive your talk page - it is 472,964 bytes! Johnbod (talk) 19:04, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Johnbod I never changed "colour" and see no others to be included in your "etc." It is a stretch to imply that one or two words establish a dictate. Your vitriolic tenor, theats, and bullying serve as further examples. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 20:06, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I never said you changed it - in fact you left mixed styles, also against ENGVAR. It is not a stretch, it is what the policy says, and careful editors follow. Examples of what - oh, never mind. Johnbod (talk) 02:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * A collegial approach instead might generate some learning about recognizing what you consider British English use that drives the designation. Perhaps you should consider it. Without that, it is likely to be a reoccurring problem.
 * Your typical comments to me set a tone that is not conducive to a collegial exchange. Just seing that you have left a comment elicits an expectation of a particular tenor and I have to admit that I have failed to attempt entering a collegial dialogue with you. My primary contribution to WP is editing articles. I avoid the chatter among editors. However, I certainly would prefer that interaction between you and me resembled what I have with most other longtime editors of WP who care about the product produced for our readers in a co-operative editing environment and interact as such. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 19:30, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but "A collegial approach instead might generate some learning about recognizing what you consider British English use that drives the designation." is an excellent example of why your rewordings are often not improvements - what does that even mean? Johnbod (talk) 03:18, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, "...Your typical comments to me set a tone that is not conducive to a collegial exchange..." — and I am sorry that my offer to seek rectifing a recurring situation that you complain about does not seem to interest you. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 17:29, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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